Ryanair - 'Laying Off' 600!!
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nimble i agree, laying off 600 pilots means grounding in the region of 60 aircraft, this is close to 33% of the fleet, permanently! all that will do is allow the competition to expand to pick up the slack. Not what you would do if you where trying to force other companies to the wall now is it? 
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those who yak on about "ryanair taking deliveries" and "ryanair's expanding fleet" should look at the link below and note the number of "WFU/to be WFU" designations.
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/flee...in_service.htm
MOL flogs his aircraft until they get worn around the edges and then makes them someone else's problem. The fleet size hasn't grown that much in some time because of this practice, considering the number of deliveries.
http://www.jethros.dwsitech.com/flee...in_service.htm
MOL flogs his aircraft until they get worn around the edges and then makes them someone else's problem. The fleet size hasn't grown that much in some time because of this practice, considering the number of deliveries.
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Sounds like nonsense however O'leary made hay while the sun was shining hence the huge reserves. He's gong to need all of it soon because the RYR model is not geared towards this type of downturn and despite all his BS he knows it. Demand is falling off, the passenger base is disintegrating. No fuel hedging either..that alone will balance the books against RYR's other 'efficiencies'. Flying to tarmac strips in a farmer's field will not be cost effective when the wannabe ferry passengers can't stretch to it anymore.
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Lots of the Brookfield guys have had their 1 month allocated to the winter. Some of the permanent staff will reach 900 hours early so can't fly anyway. Add to that annual leave allocation and the few that will take the unpaid leave and you already have a substantial reduction in capacity within normal ops. Im sure some of the Brookfield guys will also be told they arnt needed for a bit but I don't think people will get laid off in the traditional sense.
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You might want something to be true; you might wish in your heart of hearts for something to be true, you might wish ill upon MOL and his supposed foul spawn of an airline, you might long for the day he and his bastard creation fall asunder but no matter how much you write it, read it, wish it, it is all just so much rumour and innuendo.
Most of what is written here amounts to a bucket full of lies and ignorance and when the aforementioned numbers do not come to pass, and Ryanair is one of the few survivors in years to come, what will you all write here to acknowledge the fact that you are wrong and know nothing?
Nothing!
Blarney, baloney and wishful thinking from all of you naysayers.
Sad and ignorant doubters, the lot of you.
History will prove the true facts.
Most of what is written here amounts to a bucket full of lies and ignorance and when the aforementioned numbers do not come to pass, and Ryanair is one of the few survivors in years to come, what will you all write here to acknowledge the fact that you are wrong and know nothing?
Nothing!
Blarney, baloney and wishful thinking from all of you naysayers.
Sad and ignorant doubters, the lot of you.
History will prove the true facts.
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And all this was started by a Line Captain at Dublin...Must be true then. I'd imagine Howard Miller and Michael O'Leary had invited him round for tea and scones, then marched him off to the crewroom in order for him to share the news with his colleagues. However, like all hot inside Ryanair gossip, what was actually said (or never actually said at all in most cases) is blown out of all proportion in order to ensure the longevity of the rumour. It's like Chinese whispers. A story that starts off in one crewroom ends up being a different one in another. By the time it gets round the whole network it no longer bares any resemblance to the original story!
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better idea--
get rid of 600 base captains, and crew planning blah blah blah's.
we could roster ourselves---first start a list of who prefers earlies and who prefers lates.
there's a lot more intelligence flying in the flight deck than apparently sits on the ground.
we could roster ourselves---first start a list of who prefers earlies and who prefers lates.
there's a lot more intelligence flying in the flight deck than apparently sits on the ground.
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When he parks the 20 aircraft they will be used as spares and they will fly. Also he has offered unpaid leave for 3 months which means if you take it you will do 900 hours in 9 months.
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The contrast in opinions between this, and other Ryanair threads, and the Silverjet threads running at the moment is quite astonishing.
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
Snobbery: nothing more, nothing less.
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
Snobbery: nothing more, nothing less.
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er..not quite Justin. There are plenty of LCC pilots on these forums who are fairly happy with their own operators but wouldn't touch O'learys mob with a 40ft pole. Many reasons there may be but snobbery doesn't come into it 
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Justin, since you clearly hate pilots so much then perhaps you should clear off from a Professional Pilots Rumour Network. Log onto the beeb instead and have a good moan there. Does MOL know you are logging on from work? Best get back to the grindstone and make sure your mobile isn't on charge either.
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Come, come my little black Le Creuset set, I don't hate pilots at all. Is it not the case that there are many and varied voices in these hallowed halls?
Were you sick on the day everyone else did CRM? Is an alternative view not valid ? Does advocacy ring a bell? Or did I just touch a raw nerve ?
Were you sick on the day everyone else did CRM? Is an alternative view not valid ? Does advocacy ring a bell? Or did I just touch a raw nerve ?
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Justin: '...my little black Le Creuset set,' The images are wonderful!
By the bye, '…air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamorous fog.'
Absolutely spot on old chap! In fact, so much fog that we can't get airborne and can just walk around in our tailor-made uniform all day.
By the bye, '…air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamorous fog.'
Absolutely spot on old chap! In fact, so much fog that we can't get airborne and can just walk around in our tailor-made uniform all day.
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Justin you have just described my perfect job! Am I a snob, no, but I think if I worked hard at it for many years I might just lose my Low-cost ways!!
5 star hotels here I come.....
5 star hotels here I come.....
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Quote ''The contrast in opinions between this, and other Ryanair threads, and the Silverjet threads running at the moment is quite astonishing.
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
Snobbery: nothing more, nothing less.''
Absolutely brilliant Justin
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of absolute junk spoken on here about Ryanair. Most of this crowd would love to see us go out of business. Yes, I too have heard we are about to post a loss, the first one ever under the current management. Well whoopy-do. No **** Sherlock. Come on guys, there will hardly be a single airline, let alone LCC that will not be doing similar in the current climate of unsustainable fuel costs. If an airline such as Ryanair, that cuts costs to the bone are hurting, imagine what the inefficient national airlines of the rest of Europe are doing, not mentioning the smaller so-called low cost carriers in the UK such as Jet 2 etc. Whilst not wishing anything bad to happen to them, I am sorry to say that I am sure they will soon go the way of Silverjet if the oil price stays at this level.
600 redundancies?? Complete bull. As has been said, new aircraft are arriving all the time. I looked at the delivery schedule the other day and it surely must be the busiest yet. Come September, new aircraft are arriving at the rate of several a week. These are not going to be left sitting idle. They will be flown, hopefully not at a loss but I am sure they will be flown all the same.
Where has this cr@p about 20 aircraft currently being stored come from? We rarely have a single aircraft spare, let alone 20!! Sure, the older airframes are being disposed of but this is bringing millions into the company. Rumour has it that the second hand value of these aircraft virtually matches the cost that was paid to Boeing in the first place.
So, in summary, sorry to disappoint the majority of PPRuNe'rs that seem to want Ryanair to fail....it won't be pleasing them any time soon!
On the one hand there exists a low cost carrier which provides nothing more than a point to point safe air service and makes no bones about the minimalist service. Ryanair flies new aircraft, the oldest being around 5 years old before it is replaced. The company makes millions, is expanding and provides well paid employment for around 1200 pilots.
On the other hand Silverjet was(my emphasis) an unadulterated luxury carrier, promising exceptional standards of customer service on point to point routes. They flew old aircraft, lost millions and put hundreds out of work.
Yet the vitriol hurled at Ryanair suggests that they are doing something wrong: whereas, Silverjet appear to be regarded as positvely saintly !!
Frankly it comes down to snobbery: you think air travel should be the preserve of the rich and that it should be shrouded in some glamourous fog. As the pilot, you should be idolised for doing such a skilled yet dangerous job and paid millions; women should throw themselves at your shiny black Oxfords as you parade through the terminal in your immaculate gold ringed uniform, scrambled egg adorning the peak of your company hat, on the way to your 5 star hotel, accompanied by a a swathe of stunning cabin crew.
Taking your own coffee and sandwiches really is a come down for you!
Snobbery: nothing more, nothing less.''
Absolutely brilliant Justin
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of absolute junk spoken on here about Ryanair. Most of this crowd would love to see us go out of business. Yes, I too have heard we are about to post a loss, the first one ever under the current management. Well whoopy-do. No **** Sherlock. Come on guys, there will hardly be a single airline, let alone LCC that will not be doing similar in the current climate of unsustainable fuel costs. If an airline such as Ryanair, that cuts costs to the bone are hurting, imagine what the inefficient national airlines of the rest of Europe are doing, not mentioning the smaller so-called low cost carriers in the UK such as Jet 2 etc. Whilst not wishing anything bad to happen to them, I am sorry to say that I am sure they will soon go the way of Silverjet if the oil price stays at this level.
600 redundancies?? Complete bull. As has been said, new aircraft are arriving all the time. I looked at the delivery schedule the other day and it surely must be the busiest yet. Come September, new aircraft are arriving at the rate of several a week. These are not going to be left sitting idle. They will be flown, hopefully not at a loss but I am sure they will be flown all the same.
Where has this cr@p about 20 aircraft currently being stored come from? We rarely have a single aircraft spare, let alone 20!!
Sure, the older airframes are being disposed of but this is bringing millions into the company. Rumour has it that the second hand value of these aircraft virtually matches the cost that was paid to Boeing in the first place. So, in summary, sorry to disappoint the majority of PPRuNe'rs that seem to want Ryanair to fail....it won't be pleasing them any time soon!