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I don't think even the most die hard babyite would suggest that it provides Ryanair with any serious competition. However, what it appears to have is a very loyal customer base and is a good alternative for those who believe in "Anybody But Ryanair". They are out there talk to people in any pub you'll find one or two. If that wasn't true they would have been eased out of EMA and they haven't been. If it can keep its regulars happy and pick up the majority of the ABRs at EMA and BHX the game isn't over.
As has been said many times though Baby has got to have a good summer in 2010. The new uniforms, names and paint jobs are an irrelavence really. The relevant points are they've got to fill those aircraft no matter how they are painted and get those passengers reliably to their destinations and make some money doing it. Even if it's only 10p a profit is a profit and in 2010 that is a must or there is no 2011 !
As has been said many times though Baby has got to have a good summer in 2010. The new uniforms, names and paint jobs are an irrelavence really. The relevant points are they've got to fill those aircraft no matter how they are painted and get those passengers reliably to their destinations and make some money doing it. Even if it's only 10p a profit is a profit and in 2010 that is a must or there is no 2011 !
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Fresh website - poor
Fresh paint - will only most likely appear on 1 aircraft
Fresh uniform - who knows
I don't mean to sound negative I think they will do very well this summer out of EMA, but the website change wasn't necessary, the fresh paint on KB wasn't necessary, (it looks worse) and who knows what the uniform will be like, they need to focus their minds on something more worth while and that will benefit the passengers using the airline
Fresh paint - will only most likely appear on 1 aircraft
Fresh uniform - who knows
I don't mean to sound negative I think they will do very well this summer out of EMA, but the website change wasn't necessary, the fresh paint on KB wasn't necessary, (it looks worse) and who knows what the uniform will be like, they need to focus their minds on something more worth while and that will benefit the passengers using the airline
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I am a Captain now on an A320, but believe me, I would have taken a Command on the "crew bus" if it had been offered when I was an FO.
Now, more than ever, Captains are Captains. FO's are just that. And they are 10 a penny currently - just look at the easyJet deal if you need confirmation.
Offered a Command recently, but turned it down? Then, you are a TW@T!!!
Now, more than ever, Captains are Captains. FO's are just that. And they are 10 a penny currently - just look at the easyJet deal if you need confirmation.
Offered a Command recently, but turned it down? Then, you are a TW@T!!!
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The repaint of KB has planned 18 mths ago and has been budgeted since then. The primary roll of paint is corrosion prevention and unless you know differently Oli / FR that’s why we paint them. 
The new tail logo reflects the current Tiny used in advertising and will be used on any future re-paints. Take the time to look at it; it’s a vast improvement on the old design.
Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks.
The new tail logo reflects the current Tiny used in advertising and will be used on any future re-paints. Take the time to look at it; it’s a vast improvement on the old design.
Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks.
Peel Airports is to go to the Court of Appeal in January to try and overturn the ruling against its £12m claim for damages against bmibaby for pulling out of MME/DTVA
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Everyone has to make their own choice in life. You may be lucky you may be unlucky. I still think if there are any more redundancies next year it won't matter where you are based or where you are sitting!
No one is forcing anyone into a command and those that are getting them are extremely lucky that, as has been suggested previously, the company are not having to re-employ the Captains they shafted last year. Although that would have opened a massive can of worms !
No one is forcing anyone into a command and those that are getting them are extremely lucky that, as has been suggested previously, the company are not having to re-employ the Captains they shafted last year. Although that would have opened a massive can of worms !
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If anyone out there works for Baby can you tell them their (new?) web site is crap as i can't seem to select "one way". Tried 5 times to no avail it dissapears, like me off to BHX to CDG on Flybe instead, 
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I absolutely agree with all the comments about the website. While i suppose it is good to see they are trying to keep things up to date and refreshing the brand, the saying 'don't fix whats not broken' comes to mind. Their previous website was one of the most easy and straight forward airline websites to use and book with. The new one seem to take an age to load and you are forever refreshing pages. As a regular user of baby this has become frustrating and i can see it will to so many others. Surely they must have noticed this themselves at least somewhere in the group? Now more than ever they need bookings. Just like Mr Angry just these simple little snags can deter people from booking and so they go somewhere else! COME ON BABY SORT IT !
Livery
The new tail update personally i like, keeps it inline with new baby brand that was brought in last year. While i guess to many it doesn't seem like the right time to be doing this with staff redundancys underway, it does however at least prove they havn't lost all faith in baby at the bmi/lufthansa group. Hopefully by keeping the brand fresh and up to date will help it in the publics eye and maybe one day hopefully we can see them expand again.
I absolutely agree with all the comments about the website. While i suppose it is good to see they are trying to keep things up to date and refreshing the brand, the saying 'don't fix whats not broken' comes to mind. Their previous website was one of the most easy and straight forward airline websites to use and book with. The new one seem to take an age to load and you are forever refreshing pages. As a regular user of baby this has become frustrating and i can see it will to so many others. Surely they must have noticed this themselves at least somewhere in the group? Now more than ever they need bookings. Just like Mr Angry just these simple little snags can deter people from booking and so they go somewhere else! COME ON BABY SORT IT !
Livery
The new tail update personally i like, keeps it inline with new baby brand that was brought in last year. While i guess to many it doesn't seem like the right time to be doing this with staff redundancys underway, it does however at least prove they havn't lost all faith in baby at the bmi/lufthansa group. Hopefully by keeping the brand fresh and up to date will help it in the publics eye and maybe one day hopefully we can see them expand again.
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If you think bmibaby had a problem with the website then whats this?
Durham Tees Valley Airport bosses return to court in bmibaby claim
Dec 29 2009 Evening Gazette
DURHAM Tees Valley Airport’s owner will return to court next month in an attempt to overturn a decision in its unsuccessful claim against bmibaby, according to reports.
Peel Airports launched an appeal against the aircraft carrier after losing a £12 million claim for damages.
It claimed bmibaby was in breach of contract, after it withdrew its vital Heathrow service from Durham Tees Valley (DTVA) in 2006, severing Teesside’s direct flight link with London.
But a judge deemed the terms of the contract too vague to be enforceable, leaving DTVA with a £1 million legal bill.
The airport wants to recover most of its legal fees if the appeal is successful.
Dec 29 2009 Evening Gazette
DURHAM Tees Valley Airport’s owner will return to court next month in an attempt to overturn a decision in its unsuccessful claim against bmibaby, according to reports.
Peel Airports launched an appeal against the aircraft carrier after losing a £12 million claim for damages.
It claimed bmibaby was in breach of contract, after it withdrew its vital Heathrow service from Durham Tees Valley (DTVA) in 2006, severing Teesside’s direct flight link with London.
But a judge deemed the terms of the contract too vague to be enforceable, leaving DTVA with a £1 million legal bill.
The airport wants to recover most of its legal fees if the appeal is successful.
the poor Evening Gazette are getting mixed up between bmi (who dropped the MME-LHR service) and bmibaby (who pulled out their based aircraft at MME) - Peel are going to the Court of Appeal about the deal they had (or thought they had) with baby around the MME base.
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I just went to book a flight on the new website and it is total pants. It took over 5 minutes to load onto my laptop. I just wanted to fly in June to JER and it kept offering me January....I gave up and booked Flybe...well done to the muppets in Castle Don, that will really improve the load factors and yields......of your competitors 
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I booked a flight to Cork with WW two months ago with flights Departing at 14:15 on a Monday, and Arriving back at EMA about 22:30 on the Friday, and on Tuesday they have emailed me saying the flight times have changed, it now departs on the Monday at 20:40!! and Arrives back on the Friday at 23:45!! So now I have lost half a day, yet they have only changed the flight times today!! 3 days later, surely, they should change the website first?
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Baby
Aren't Baby 100% owned by Lufthansa now?
I understand baby could be closed down by Lufthansa at anytime but can
they go bust in their own right and if not are PP taking money under false pretences?
Pete
I understand baby could be closed down by Lufthansa at anytime but can
they go bust in their own right and if not are PP taking money under false pretences?
Pete
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Even the most cash-strapped and poorly run of businesses can continue trading as long as the owners are happy to throw good money after bad, so in that sense as long as the LH group are happy to stand behind behind baby it would not go "bust"
Not saying WW is close to bakruptcy, but if LH were to close them down, I would expect an orderly shut-down at the end of a time-table period, rather than a here-today-gone-tomorrow liquidation like XL or Globespan.
With the new uniforms, spruced up aircraft, new website things seem to have stabilised for now, at least.
Not saying WW is close to bakruptcy, but if LH were to close them down, I would expect an orderly shut-down at the end of a time-table period, rather than a here-today-gone-tomorrow liquidation like XL or Globespan.
With the new uniforms, spruced up aircraft, new website things seem to have stabilised for now, at least.
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I'm not a financial expert but I have been told by someone who knows a lot more than me that it would be very difficult for a parent company to simply allow a wholly owned subsiduary to simply declare insolvency and cease trading. They would be liable for any monies owed and, more importantly, it would have a significant impact on the credit worthiness of other parts of the LH business.
I'm not saying LH won't close baby but I am saying they couldn't simply allow it to go bust ! So yet again the bookies have no idea really what they are talking about. Baby would actually be doing ok if the previous owner hadn't saddled it with the most expensive 737 classics in the world ! (apparently even LH beancounters needed a large schanps when they saw the costs) Oooh I wonder who actually owns them.............mmmm.........
I'm not saying LH won't close baby but I am saying they couldn't simply allow it to go bust ! So yet again the bookies have no idea really what they are talking about. Baby would actually be doing ok if the previous owner hadn't saddled it with the most expensive 737 classics in the world ! (apparently even LH beancounters needed a large schanps when they saw the costs) Oooh I wonder who actually owns them.............mmmm.........
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You are spot on, it would cause massive damage to LH to let baby go tits up and it wont happen,this whole nonsense is off the back of Paddy Power flaging Monarch as next to go which was then repoted in the The Times.
Easiest way of moving yourself from top spot is to place a bet on another airline (Airforce 1 at odds of 1000-1)
An orderly run down is what GM are doing with SAAB and if LH had that in mind at this stage they would not have agreed lease extensions on aircraft 4 & 5 for next Summer
Of the few remaining UK airlines i can't see any not making it through 2010, Ryanair will make life difficult for Jet2 at LBA and that will impact the bottom line but not to any critical degree. Eastern will continue to fly to places where the loads are too weak to support even a Dash
The IT crowd will have a good year and the weakness of the pound against the Euro will continue to hurt all the Loco's flying out of the UK, if Labour get re-elected there will likley be a run on the pound anyway and we will all be finished
My money would be on baby to be merged with German Wings and the company sold off or floated, somehow i just can't see LH funding a new fleet and a major expansion drive, i guess someone is going to get an arse kicking over the website farce
Easiest way of moving yourself from top spot is to place a bet on another airline (Airforce 1 at odds of 1000-1)
An orderly run down is what GM are doing with SAAB and if LH had that in mind at this stage they would not have agreed lease extensions on aircraft 4 & 5 for next Summer
Of the few remaining UK airlines i can't see any not making it through 2010, Ryanair will make life difficult for Jet2 at LBA and that will impact the bottom line but not to any critical degree. Eastern will continue to fly to places where the loads are too weak to support even a Dash
The IT crowd will have a good year and the weakness of the pound against the Euro will continue to hurt all the Loco's flying out of the UK, if Labour get re-elected there will likley be a run on the pound anyway and we will all be finished
My money would be on baby to be merged with German Wings and the company sold off or floated, somehow i just can't see LH funding a new fleet and a major expansion drive, i guess someone is going to get an arse kicking over the website farce