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Old 15th Apr 2008, 05:25
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Mr Broughton

Futher to Sunfish's latest erudite submission , a brief profile of Mr Broughton's career as laid out in the "Daily Torygraph"


Typical of articles from this august tome there is a fair degree of sycophancy, otherwise access to the "great and good" and associated lunches would be denied, but reading between the lines we can learn a little:

Mr Broughton was academically weak, did not get a degree so became an accountant ie knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

Despite this unimpressive beginning he managed to climb up the greasy pole of British American Tobacco, a company with zero interest in the wellbeing of it's customers but quite willing to kill them by the millions, presumably by getting an "MNBH" (Masters in Brown Nosing and Headkicking)

In recent times he was effectively told by St Tone to "get a grip and focus on the big picture", not exactly complementary to a guy purporting to be Chairman of a major company and boss of the CBI. Perhaps Mr Broughton rose to his level of incompetence years ago?

In another article from the "Torygraph", pilots concerns are quoted as being limited to "Sex, Seniority and Salary in that order". Sounds perfectly healthy to me!

I think we can safely assume that Mr Broughtons concerns are "Mr Broughton, Mr Broughton's Seniority, and Mr Broughtons continuance on the gravy train. He did not get where he is today by showing the slightest concern for others. So Willie beware, any vote of confidence will certainly mean you will be due for the high jump, if for no other reason than to save that most dear to Mr Broughton,himself.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 08:59
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Sunfish - as you say, the Chairman's business experience - as in the direct industry in which he has worked - is indeed irrelevant. It is his entire business experience as a whole that is important - it is irrelevant if "the issue to me is that I cannot think of any less "people oriented" business than the purveying of tobacco."...he is, as you say, not running the company, and the bread and butter of a Chartered Accountant is risk management and corporate governance.

Whether he is any good at it is a totally different matter, but I hardly see it as relevant whether his past experience was in tobacco, or indeed environmental activism...if he has the skills.

BOTH - Can we just kill posts that sully accountants with the "knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing" brush. It is simply an ignorant generalisation that I am tired of rebutting.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:07
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Kirkwood Falls on his Sword (BA/BAA T5 fiasco)

British Airways has announced today that Gareth Kirkwood, director of operations, and David Noyes, director of customer services, will be leaving the company.
The airline is looking to appoint a Chief Operations Officer to combine both roles.
The departures follow the airline's move to Terminal 5.

anybody surprised?
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:09
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Ba Sack Operations Director

BA have sacked two of their most senior managers as a result of the T5 Fiasco.

In addition insurance companies are now refusing to insure your baggage if you travel with British Airways.

I think it is high time Walsh should hand in his resignation.

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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:12
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Ops director sacked

Well the sacking has begun. Two senior managers today have been told to walk. Not before time in my opinion.

BA are embarrassing Britain.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:14
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What good news!
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:18
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Surely it's time the British Government should step in and tell BA to get their act together. In my opinion this will have a major effect on the overall economy especially in the run up to 2012.

This is all a result of those psychometric tests BA put everyone through. They have employed a certain type of person, everybody thinks the same and acts the same. Not a good policy to run a company.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:21
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Blaming junior staff for incompetent management is a well 'Round-ed' principle in BA philosophy, practised in many areas.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:25
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Not surprised, just exasperated.

These two individuals, despite their crass underperformance, one of them in a VERY public display, are merely symptoms of a malaise that permeates the direction of this once great company.

How can they be blamed for running BA the way Walsh and Broughton want it?
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:33
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:35
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Goodbye and good riddance Burkwood.

I pity the next company who gets saddled with this incompetent, characterless fool.

And that's being generous to him.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:35
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Thumbs down BA Sack Ops Directors

Typical, Operations get the thick end of the stick, who fired the Project and Implementation Managers? Who carried out the acceptance tests and how rigorous was the testing regime?
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:42
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Hudson Bay, it is not the government's job to look after BA.

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Old 15th Apr 2008, 11:47
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Link to BBC article

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Old 15th Apr 2008, 12:01
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Doughnuts all round
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 12:19
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A message for Willy........

WW, do the honourable thing and lead from the front by falling on your sword NOW for failing the airline, the airport and the country!

BA needs fresh blood to go through the entire organisation and remove the pompous "we know better than anybody" culture. Also review all expenses, overtime and allowances policies to stop staff profiteering from these draconian agreements!

Ps. WW you dont pick up any goldern handshake either and I hope the other two didnt!

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Old 15th Apr 2008, 12:24
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I sincerely hope there are good managers left at BA continuing to do good work, but these sackings of important directors without announcement of who has replaced them are just evidence of a witch hunt not evidence of the operations of a well managed airline. Can an airline remain within the terms of its AOC if it has no nominated or approved Operations Director?

Would someone care to come on here and confirm that BA do still have their eye on the ball, please, and that the CAA are still regulating this sorry excuse of an organisation?
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 13:46
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I pity the next company who gets saddled with this incompetent, characterless fool.
He has been fired so publicly for such heinous incompetence (the immediate cause being showing complete contempt and total disregard for responding in a civilised manner to legitimate questions from the national media never mind his more general tendency towards living in a fantasy land of corporate buzz word speak denial regarding the real state of affairs at T5) that it is hard to see almost any headhunter who would actually be able to find a job for him anywhere.

However I expect someone with his general capacity for constant press on positivity in the face of all the facts might possibly find a job as a sales adviser at a downmarket chain of estate agents!

The only thing that puzzles me though is how the final line manager of these two gentleman at BA has so far avoided paying a similar price and why no one at BAA (who surely were also under a duty to ensure that BA could operate their side of the baggage chain successfully before allowing the terminal to open not to mention checking themselves that the lifts worked and that the terminal was properly signed) has also fallen on their sword, or should I say been beheaded.
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 14:03
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And to think Kirkwood applied for the position of Director of Flight Ops at BA. Can you imagine reporting directly to him? CFIT never sounded so good!
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Old 15th Apr 2008, 14:33
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I am not BA. So could someone please tell me what Kirkwood was good at, and what he can offer his next employer, if any.
Same question for Willy Was.

Having said that, "total disregard for responding in a civilised manner to journos" is fully in the spirit of PPRuNe, no?

Re "corporate buzz word speak", I fear Brits are more guilty than most.
Maybe Rod Eddington or Dame Edna could recommend some Aussies ready to cry 'Bollocks' or 'Cut the Crap' every time some half educated idiot pipes up with it.

In the end, it's the listener's job to cut the bullshitter down, or hold shut up. If you don't cry out, the c*nt will continue to climb the greasy pole. Same in politics.

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