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It also looks suspiciously like there is a spot of sabotage from our dear loaders taking place at T5. I am talking about the number of times loading equipment has been left dumped behind a parked aircraft such that it cant push back until someone moves it and the its not my job guv is still alive and kicking!
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It also looks suspiciously like there is a spot of sabotage from our dear loaders taking place at T5. I am talking about the number of times loading equipment has been left dumped behind a parked aircraft such that it cant push back until someone moves it and the its not my job guv is still alive and kicking! Today 13:22
And people wonder why other people emigrate to get away from Glorious Britain.
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I agree, Frangatang, what on earth are you talking about? As if the loaders would sabotage the operation. That is a very perilous accusation to make.
Hey why don't you post it on the internal 'intranet' chat rooms and see what IR problems you cause.
You should retract your unfounded statement
Hey why don't you post it on the internal 'intranet' chat rooms and see what IR problems you cause.
You should retract your unfounded statement
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why don't you post it on the internal 'intranet' chat rooms and see what IR problems you cause
BAeng, perhaps some frank and open discussion amongst BA staff is exactly what is needed right now, instead of threatening those who are willing to speak out. To call a spade a spade, any reasonable man can see that part of the problem in getting T5 up to speed is the rediculous demarcation situation that exists.
Instead of berating management for the past week, perhaps BAeng, you should direct some of your fire to some, not all, of your colleagues over at T5.
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i ve posted here before. BAeng must either be retired or has an office of his own...
Anyone going to Heathrow can see that the problems are not only managerial but that there is still an "us and them" attitude. Rantings about MBA's?
How about agreeing it seems BA has a fundamental cultural problem, which starts off with incapable management, apparantly a lack of middle management, BA suffers more than most from the 'ole British disease where the capitalistic management exploits the socialistic workers....? Time for all to grow up and all levels to look at where THEY themseves failed.
I m sure there were those BA employees who went to T5 early the first day, fully intent to help make the opening a success. I applaude you!
Then there were those who went there with the customary wait and see attitude and who revelled in the initial chaos, thinking they found themselves some bargaining power for an additional break or two. Well done to you to, i hope you loose your jobs
Finally there was the incompetent management which failed on all counts including planning and PR. I hope you loose your jobs too
So it s a mess all around which is sad for those with honest intentions and it s not just a management issue or an MBA issue
Anyone going to Heathrow can see that the problems are not only managerial but that there is still an "us and them" attitude. Rantings about MBA's?
How about agreeing it seems BA has a fundamental cultural problem, which starts off with incapable management, apparantly a lack of middle management, BA suffers more than most from the 'ole British disease where the capitalistic management exploits the socialistic workers....? Time for all to grow up and all levels to look at where THEY themseves failed.
I m sure there were those BA employees who went to T5 early the first day, fully intent to help make the opening a success. I applaude you!
Then there were those who went there with the customary wait and see attitude and who revelled in the initial chaos, thinking they found themselves some bargaining power for an additional break or two. Well done to you to, i hope you loose your jobs
Finally there was the incompetent management which failed on all counts including planning and PR. I hope you loose your jobs too
So it s a mess all around which is sad for those with honest intentions and it s not just a management issue or an MBA issue
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Wife of a colleague travelled out of T5 on Monday and all went well.
Schoolkid - the name pretty much sums it up, whilst not wishing to be goaded, how on earth is a threat to suggest a BA staff member puts a serious accusation up internally within BA? That way those he has levelled such serious accusations will have a right of reply. That my dear child is called a level playing field. My main concern with the Frangatang's accusation is it comes from a 'troll' management poster. The concern is obvious, left with little to explain their continued performance issues, they are looking to start blaming a section of the staff community. I repeat, he should retract his posting or make an official complaint to the respective persons, union etc. Now be a goodlad and run off and finish your homework.
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Petley - Didn't see the paper, would love to see the article about deadwood if you can post it. Don't know about him being public enemy No1, I know he ain't too popular amongst BA. Just goes to show, when you keep someone on who may well be extridited to the US as part of the price fixing scandal, you get all that you deserve.
I will emphasise, Mr Gareth Kirkwood is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. There is a vast chance that he may face charges in the coming months for his part in the price fixing scandal that hit BA and cost scrillions of shareholder monies!! In that case BA won't have to sack his arse for the VAST Terminal chaos that is ongoing at T5. If he does end up doing time, for heavens sake, don't put the bloke in charge of the mail bags... He has form with bag mountains you know.
Link to article here....
I will emphasise, Mr Gareth Kirkwood is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. There is a vast chance that he may face charges in the coming months for his part in the price fixing scandal that hit BA and cost scrillions of shareholder monies!! In that case BA won't have to sack his arse for the VAST Terminal chaos that is ongoing at T5. If he does end up doing time, for heavens sake, don't put the bloke in charge of the mail bags... He has form with bag mountains you know.
Link to article here....
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Vanhorck - are you smoking weed in Rotterdamn? Is that the sort of flying experiance you bring to these hallowed forums? Please concern yourself with your own financial arrangements, like how your going to pay for your next bag of scragg! But please enjoy your current trip, bet your pleased you never carry bags.
As far as the BA pension is concerned, we are in good hands. As of January 2007 we have become the proud 'landlords' of Tesco stores.
Another fiasco of BA's, (though another thread) buying into property just as the property market is on the way south. Nice one trustees. So as you see, after successfully screwing 2.1 billion out of the pension members in Spring 2007 they have also squandered another chunk of the fund. I am very much unconcerned with the BA APS or NAPS pension fund, I am long past that point.
As far as the BA pension is concerned, we are in good hands. As of January 2007 we have become the proud 'landlords' of Tesco stores.
Another fiasco of BA's, (though another thread) buying into property just as the property market is on the way south. Nice one trustees. So as you see, after successfully screwing 2.1 billion out of the pension members in Spring 2007 they have also squandered another chunk of the fund. I am very much unconcerned with the BA APS or NAPS pension fund, I am long past that point.
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BAeng,
You missed the crux of my post. Demarcation issues amongst elements of the workforce at T5 form at the very least , part of the diffilculties encountered since 27/3.
As for the pic of the baggage truck,accompanying a Alitalia machine on the previous page, I feel it's misleading. Chances are, being T2, its heading for a venerable 757 or the like....containerisation hasent taken over all of LHR yet you know!
As for my name on here,all I'll say is appearances can be deceptive...
I wont reduce to slander on these boards.
You missed the crux of my post. Demarcation issues amongst elements of the workforce at T5 form at the very least , part of the diffilculties encountered since 27/3.
As for the pic of the baggage truck,accompanying a Alitalia machine on the previous page, I feel it's misleading. Chances are, being T2, its heading for a venerable 757 or the like....containerisation hasent taken over all of LHR yet you know!
Now be a goodlad and run off and finish your homework
I wont reduce to slander on these boards.
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I wont be reduceing to slander on these boards
Schoolkid with your deceptive ways please write 100 times;
'I won't be reducing to slander on these boards'
And I won't be replying to you anymore, as with all exposed BA trolls, they go on my ignore list.
frangatang,
Recollect in the 70s as BA FO, manager asked me to move a luggage tractor intentionally left behind our aircraft. I declined but politely suggested that he remove the offending machine.
The vehicle remained and the flight was cancelled. I was astonished that our manager did not just jump in and move it. In his position I would have done so.
cant push back until someone moves it and the its not my job guv is still alive and kicking!
The vehicle remained and the flight was cancelled. I was astonished that our manager did not just jump in and move it. In his position I would have done so.
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Frangatang, Hot Wings et al, the truth is a rather deceptive beast at BA. If what you are saying that the baggage/ground handling staff are deliberately sabotaging Terminal 5 than I suggest as before this is raised at the highest levels, formally.
If it turns out to be true and not more BA PR spin, then those responsible should be brought to book. But seriously I do not think that is the case as most, including myself, wanted to see T5 a success. That way after the serial basket case BA is becomming, our futures may have been saved. As it stands the unmitigated disaster that T5 has become, I am sad to say I think this is no longer the case.
If what Frangatang is saying is fabrication then of course this is an irresponsible statement to make and disparaging to a hard working group at BA.
Oh, the truth is far from painful. Its why a full and independant investigation into what happened should be commissioned.
If it turns out to be true and not more BA PR spin, then those responsible should be brought to book. But seriously I do not think that is the case as most, including myself, wanted to see T5 a success. That way after the serial basket case BA is becomming, our futures may have been saved. As it stands the unmitigated disaster that T5 has become, I am sad to say I think this is no longer the case.
If what Frangatang is saying is fabrication then of course this is an irresponsible statement to make and disparaging to a hard working group at BA.
Oh, the truth is far from painful. Its why a full and independant investigation into what happened should be commissioned.
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But BAeng, you gotta remember , an awful lot changes in 7 years!
Getting rid of Willie right now would be a complete knee-jerk reaction....do we really want somebody like Kirkwood stepping into his shoes in the short term at least.
Getting rid of Willie right now would be a complete knee-jerk reaction....do we really want somebody like Kirkwood stepping into his shoes in the short term at least.
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ElectroVlasic, It's not the MBA it's self the people are slagging off, it's the fact that, in most cases, they are given management positions immediately after they get it and have no experience of how that industry functions.
In the old gays even the bosses son started as "tea boy" and worked his way up through all the departments so that he knew exactly who did what, how and why.
In the old gays even the bosses son started as "tea boy" and worked his way up through all the departments so that he knew exactly who did what, how and why.
While I've seen your point being made, I've also seen various people's biographies posted, and when they've listed having an MBA, the resulting comments are that the person must be an incompetent idiot, etc.
I agree that one must gain the prerequsite experience before being put into positions of authority. If they are putting newbies into positions of authority, then they get what they deserve.
Luckily, in my company, most people I know who have an MBA only decided to get it after a few years or more in the trenches, and usually end up getting it by taking classes after work, so their experience builds as they are gaining the MBA.
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While such blame matters to some degree to those of us on this forum, to the general public, all they see on the front of the building is "British Airways". It's their cock-up, plain and simple. If the place wasn't ready for prime time, they should have delayed the launch till it was.
Re allocation of blame which features large in this thread. Since we mention lifts and escalators and lounges; who would be responsible for delivering those in working order
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Vanhorck - very good response 'touchette', very funny. On the serious note, I do not believe this to be the case, and of course your correct, Heathrow is probably the most covered by CCTV area in the UK.
Hence the loaders would be crazy to be playing such defective games. If the rumour proves to be true, I promise I will resign my membership and refrain from posting. that'll give the BA mangers watching something to get on with.
I think our loader colleagues are more honest than that.
Hence the loaders would be crazy to be playing such defective games. If the rumour proves to be true, I promise I will resign my membership and refrain from posting. that'll give the BA mangers watching something to get on with.
I think our loader colleagues are more honest than that.