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Look at this:
On the other hand:
Alitalia shares rose more than 5 per cent Tuesday after newspaper reports KLM-Air France and the U.S. buyout firm Texas Pacific Group were interested in buying the failing airline a week after the government efforts to sell it crumbled.(...) The Dutch newspaper De Telegraf, citing sources close to management in the French-Dutch airline, said Air France-KLM was back in the race for Alitalia.
Italy is happy to sell Alitalia to anyone willing to turn the loss-making national airline around -- no matter whether the new owners are Eskimos or Chinese, an Italian minister said 
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EI-RB, such arrogance. What do you know of the many excellent and hard working staff of Alitalia in Italy? In fact, what do you know of anything about aviation judging from your posts?
Your style is that of a 15 year old spotter, so why don't you shut up while real people with real lives and real families face a very uncertain future? How dare you make a mockery of such people? How can you possibly say everyone is to blame and should therefore suffer?
I hope if your daddy/mummy lost their jobs you'd still get your pocketmoney
Your style is that of a 15 year old spotter, so why don't you shut up while real people with real lives and real families face a very uncertain future? How dare you make a mockery of such people? How can you possibly say everyone is to blame and should therefore suffer?
I hope if your daddy/mummy lost their jobs you'd still get your pocketmoney
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I can fully respect the fact that there must be all manner of talented and dedicated people working in the ranks of Alitalia. I further accept that people's livelihoods are at stake and as a consequence that of their families.
However the health of the company here is the point of discussion and not directly an attack on the staff but nevertheless from time to time the company's finacial standing is linked to staff utilisation and performance. What's mentioned is nothing different from other corporate analysts expressing views on Alitalia's future besides it's better to have a future than none at all. If Alitalia looked around themselves at where the industry is going they might not have found themselves in this position.
A company whether private or publically owned is subject to scrutiny from all aspects whether that be institutions, employees or good old customers.
However the health of the company here is the point of discussion and not directly an attack on the staff but nevertheless from time to time the company's finacial standing is linked to staff utilisation and performance. What's mentioned is nothing different from other corporate analysts expressing views on Alitalia's future besides it's better to have a future than none at all. If Alitalia looked around themselves at where the industry is going they might not have found themselves in this position.
A company whether private or publically owned is subject to scrutiny from all aspects whether that be institutions, employees or good old customers.
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AZ will survive
AZ will survive!!!!! I miss my "Spaghetti Express" between LGW & BLQ out Fri back Mon, always got an upgrade, no chance on "Imperial" The BLQ station staff are a fine & fun bunch.
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alitalia do not beleive at the newspapers
ALITALIA IS NOT CLOSING DOWN !!!! just newspaper rubbish , they tried to sell it, in certain conditions without success thats all. Alitalia staff earns at least 35% less than other european airline, and work longer hours up to 14 with 2 pilots.
Alitalia: how long to go before bankruptcy?
Two weeks ago the Italian Government failed to find a buyer who could help the troubled airline. Today the CEO, Bernardino Libonati, resigned.
When do you think Alitalia will go bankrupt?
Or will they get even more money from the European Union?
When do you think Alitalia will go bankrupt?
Or will they get even more money from the European Union?
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Hello all:
I was on anther thread & the Administrator moved me to this thread. I have non refundable tickets on Alitalia to fly from JFK to Rome on Aug 12th & returning to JFK from Florence via Rome on Aug. 29th. Any current information you can provide would be greatly appreciated as in the United States there is absolutely no information on Alitalia. Thanks.
I was on anther thread & the Administrator moved me to this thread. I have non refundable tickets on Alitalia to fly from JFK to Rome on Aug 12th & returning to JFK from Florence via Rome on Aug. 29th. Any current information you can provide would be greatly appreciated as in the United States there is absolutely no information on Alitalia. Thanks.
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do not beileve at the newspaper, meanwhile I wish that stupid ei-rb who knows notting about Italy to R.I.P. himself, next time shut up 
do not offend thousand of people working honestly in Italy with Alitalia.this terrorist news that alitalia is closing down should be censored, because is not absolutely true.
do not offend thousand of people working honestly in Italy with Alitalia.this terrorist news that alitalia is closing down should be censored, because is not absolutely true.
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winglet1961
Sounds like two more reasons not to travel with them.
fox niner
They have survived a long time but are probably moving into the last phase BUT that phase could be extended by another year. Note that I am NOT in the airline/govt/finance world.
They do not receive money from the EU, this practice was stopped many years ago. Also subsidies from their own govt are not permitted. This questions sounds like you might be based in the USA (your profile does not state). There is a continuing belief that European airlines are subsidised by the EU. Whilst some grants are available for specific purposes, it is nothing like it was 20 years ago. I will not comment further about this topic as it usually gives rise to terminal thread drift and a considerable amount of misunderstanding and anger across the pond!
Alitalia staff earns at least 35% less than other european airline, and work longer hours up to 14 with 2 pilots.
fox niner
When do you think Alitalia will go bankrupt?
Or will they get even more money from the European Union?
Or will they get even more money from the European Union?
They do not receive money from the EU, this practice was stopped many years ago. Also subsidies from their own govt are not permitted. This questions sounds like you might be based in the USA (your profile does not state). There is a continuing belief that European airlines are subsidised by the EU. Whilst some grants are available for specific purposes, it is nothing like it was 20 years ago. I will not comment further about this topic as it usually gives rise to terminal thread drift and a considerable amount of misunderstanding and anger across the pond!
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They do not receive money from the EU, this practice was stopped many years ago.
Unfortunately anyone who thinks that Alitalia will be supported again, or indeed will last in its present form for much longer, is indeed living in cloud cuckoo land.
Whether Alitalia pilots work harder than at other airlines, I don't know, but that is largely irrelevant. There are simply too many staff, uncompetitive sub-contractors, and out-dated route structures for the company to survive as it is at the moment.
While painful, the best future for the Alitalia brand, is a massive reduction in the involvement of the state, such that the company can be restructured in some way to resemble a commercial enterprise - for example reducing operations at Rome and removing unprofitable routes and fleets.
Without this, ever fewer jobs will be saved by the day.
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I disagree with the present eu policy,it does not allows big carrier to get pubblic money, in Italy ,Alitalia is part of a system that gives jobs to thousand of people, in university, school ,and so on,... so!!! the money goes back to the system ,on the other hand allows the so called low cost, to get (indirecty) pubblic money from tourist agency ,airport ,owned by pubblic company that loose money with them, but will get money back again from the central govemment .and... we are talking money, an Italian weekly estimated 400 million euro given to the low cost ,of course all of this money goes outside Italy no taxes paid in Italy,, not even people working, and living permanently in Italy pay taxes in Italy, thank you EU!!
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@winglet1961
"the money goes back to the system"
This phenomenon is well-known to the economy and called the protectionism. I thought you did realize how inferior in relation to nowadays' free trade this trend was. The world changes continually and irreversibly. All kinds of dinosaurs and mammoths could have been gorgeous animals if they survived until now, but can you imagine them alongside of us in today's world?
"the money goes back to the system"
This phenomenon is well-known to the economy and called the protectionism. I thought you did realize how inferior in relation to nowadays' free trade this trend was. The world changes continually and irreversibly. All kinds of dinosaurs and mammoths could have been gorgeous animals if they survived until now, but can you imagine them alongside of us in today's world?
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Hi there pax poy,
you wrote:
Nope. As a matter of fact I am an EU citizen and live in an EU country, (not Italy) And don't worry: I know where my tax money goes. Part of it goes to the EU, and a part of that goes to Italy, and a part of that goes to Alitalia. It might not be very obvious, but I always had the feeling that Alitalia was kept afloat by means of MY tax payments. And this charade has to stop.
you wrote:
This questions sounds like you might be based in the USA (your profile does not state). There is a continuing belief that European airlines are subsidised by the EU.
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fox niner Fair enough. Every govt will try and subsidise it's own companies by fair means or foul. Many of their voters expect that is what they will do!! However, the problem for Italy and AZ is that every one else in their field of business has been changing - and they have not.
In the 1980s we had the reverse problem in the UK. This is not the ideal example as it does not line up directly but it concerns govt subsidies. Our prime minister (Thatcher) decided that we should not subsidise coal and, coupled with a very unpleasant strike and trouble - did so. Unfortunately, all our competitors did not reduce their subsidies and we lost out.
In the 1980s we had the reverse problem in the UK. This is not the ideal example as it does not line up directly but it concerns govt subsidies. Our prime minister (Thatcher) decided that we should not subsidise coal and, coupled with a very unpleasant strike and trouble - did so. Unfortunately, all our competitors did not reduce their subsidies and we lost out.