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Why would either United or AA come to BRS?
BHX and LHR are both so close, and offer multiple transatlantic options... Not to mention that it all fell down last time as we couldn't get enough people to fly in the pointy end of the plane. What has changed?
BHX and LHR are both so close, and offer multiple transatlantic options... Not to mention that it all fell down last time as we couldn't get enough people to fly in the pointy end of the plane. What has changed?
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I suppose the one thing that has changed is the economic situation although currently there is some doom and gloom about Europe in particular.
The business/first cabin of the CO to EWR was not used in the numbers it should have been if the route demands of the local business community had proved to be soundly based - but it's probably ever thus when airports conduct surveys of their local actual and potential clientele.
With a certain amount of devil's advocacy, but not entirely, I wonder how valuable a single daily rotation even to somewhere as high profile as New York is to the West Country's economy. The Bristol city region continues to be one of the UK's most successful and vibrant economies: would a daily NYC flight really make that much difference?
The CO route was fine for the New York area but anywhere else in the USA entailed a change of aircraft and often a long wait at EWR in at least one direction. What's the difference in flying to AMS, DUB or BRU and changing aircraft there with a wait?
The chief obstacle though is and will remain LHR, even with all the current argument about its future development, with its myriad worldwide routes, airlines and frequencies. Major M4 accidents and signal problems on the Great Western main line notwithstanding, LHR is very convenient for the Bristol area and nothing reasonably forseeable locally will ever make the tiniest dent in that situation. With electrification of the GW main line now under way and talk of a LHR rail spur the UK's largest airport could become even easier to reach from the West Country
BRS is very good at what it already does. Given its physical disadvantages it punches above its weight and I wonder whether it isn't a better idea to concentrate on continuing to build on that rather than look for NYC and MEB3 routes.
The business/first cabin of the CO to EWR was not used in the numbers it should have been if the route demands of the local business community had proved to be soundly based - but it's probably ever thus when airports conduct surveys of their local actual and potential clientele.
With a certain amount of devil's advocacy, but not entirely, I wonder how valuable a single daily rotation even to somewhere as high profile as New York is to the West Country's economy. The Bristol city region continues to be one of the UK's most successful and vibrant economies: would a daily NYC flight really make that much difference?
The CO route was fine for the New York area but anywhere else in the USA entailed a change of aircraft and often a long wait at EWR in at least one direction. What's the difference in flying to AMS, DUB or BRU and changing aircraft there with a wait?
The chief obstacle though is and will remain LHR, even with all the current argument about its future development, with its myriad worldwide routes, airlines and frequencies. Major M4 accidents and signal problems on the Great Western main line notwithstanding, LHR is very convenient for the Bristol area and nothing reasonably forseeable locally will ever make the tiniest dent in that situation. With electrification of the GW main line now under way and talk of a LHR rail spur the UK's largest airport could become even easier to reach from the West Country
BRS is very good at what it already does. Given its physical disadvantages it punches above its weight and I wonder whether it isn't a better idea to concentrate on continuing to build on that rather than look for NYC and MEB3 routes.
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Bristol does punch above its weight for sure.
If they were ever able to extend the runway (is it possible?) I think they could easily support a daily A330 Emirates to Dubai for access to Asia and the Pacific.
If they were ever able to extend the runway (is it possible?) I think they could easily support a daily A330 Emirates to Dubai for access to Asia and the Pacific.
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It's physically possible to extend the runway at the eastern end but to be of any use it would mean dropping a main road under the runway extension and taking possession of a common.
The environmental disturbance and cost that this would engender was deemed by the airport not to be worth the likely result when it published its master plan several years ago.
Just to confirm, when I said it punches above its weight I was speaking of the physical limitations. The size and make-up of the catchment would support a busier airport (it's at 6.3 mppa at the moment) if it was more conveniently situated and on a larger site.
Realistically it has to make the most of what it's got with a current limit of 10 mppa placed on its planning consents.
The environmental disturbance and cost that this would engender was deemed by the airport not to be worth the likely result when it published its master plan several years ago.
Just to confirm, when I said it punches above its weight I was speaking of the physical limitations. The size and make-up of the catchment would support a busier airport (it's at 6.3 mppa at the moment) if it was more conveniently situated and on a larger site.
Realistically it has to make the most of what it's got with a current limit of 10 mppa placed on its planning consents.
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'What's the difference in flying via AMS, BRU.....?'
To anywhere in US served non-stop from Europe, not a lot. Comes down to convenience of departure, arrival and connecting times in both directions.
To anywhere not served direct from Europe, it's the difference between a one stop on-line connection and a two-stop alliance connection. I used to like CO because their onward network was so good.
To anywhere in US served non-stop from Europe, not a lot. Comes down to convenience of departure, arrival and connecting times in both directions.
To anywhere not served direct from Europe, it's the difference between a one stop on-line connection and a two-stop alliance connection. I used to like CO because their onward network was so good.
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77L could do BRS-DXB comfortably... I assume ground handling at BRS is satisfactory for a 200LR? Even the 77W could do it with minimal payload restrictions but (and I may be wrong) BRS seems a bit tight for anything that size.
If not EK, QR could certainly do DOH with the 788 or EY to AUH with the 789. Although I think EK has the better odds.
If not EK, QR could certainly do DOH with the 788 or EY to AUH with the 789. Although I think EK has the better odds.
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Interesting story in the Bristol Post today about easyjet at BRS
Easyjet working on 'wish list' of new destinations from Bristol Airport. Where would you like to fly to? | Bristol Post
Easyjet working on 'wish list' of new destinations from Bristol Airport. Where would you like to fly to? | Bristol Post
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bmi regional
Having previously announced that next summer both FRA and ABZ would operate 3 x daily on weekdays and daily on Saturdays to FRA (new) and continuing last year's daily on Sundays to both, the airline has now increased frequency on the MUC service.
MUC had already been given a new Saturday service next summer making it daily throughout the entire week. The route will now operate 2 x daily on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.
Furthermore, because of demand the enhanced FRA and MUC services will now begin on 2 and 3 February respectively next year instead of at the end of March.
It would appear from this that the LH code share on the FRA and MUC routes is beginning to show positive results.
The remaining bmir route from BRS - to HAM - remains at 2 x daily Monday to Friday and daily on Sundays.
bmi regional adds 7,000 seats from Bristol to Germany ahead of schedule ? Bristol Airport
MUC had already been given a new Saturday service next summer making it daily throughout the entire week. The route will now operate 2 x daily on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.
Furthermore, because of demand the enhanced FRA and MUC services will now begin on 2 and 3 February respectively next year instead of at the end of March.
It would appear from this that the LH code share on the FRA and MUC routes is beginning to show positive results.
The remaining bmir route from BRS - to HAM - remains at 2 x daily Monday to Friday and daily on Sundays.
bmi regional adds 7,000 seats from Bristol to Germany ahead of schedule ? Bristol Airport
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SAS - Bristol to Stockholm
According to the Stockholm airport website, SAS is returning to Bristol next summer with flights to Stockholm. I would like to travel in May or Sept, is this possible? Nothing on the SAS website at the moment. Thanks.
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On-site Hotel
The Caterer carries a report about the development of an on-site hotel at Bristol Airport.
Link to report below:-
https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/...l-airport-deal
Link to report below:-
https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/...l-airport-deal
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Although there are already a few Hampton Inn's in the UK, it is a relatively unknown brand unless you've seen them or stayed in them in the States.
Having done so on numerous occasions they seem like a good all-round option for BRS.
Having done so on numerous occasions they seem like a good all-round option for BRS.
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Re: EZY wish list, think SSH & HRG would compliment the operation, Air Malta used to operate a while back on 320 if I remember correctly (on behalf of XL) only TOM doing SSH at the mo.
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EZY wish list would be Venice, increased CDG (although why would they with the prices they can charge), SSH, Moscow and Dubrovnik (although the last two are my requests and not necessarily ones that would be good business at BRS)
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As well as the above id like to see some more Greek destinations - Zante , kefalonia, Kos Rhodes and Athens . Antalya in Turkey too plus maybe higher freqs to the likes of Paris, Rome , Barcelona Madrid Lisbon Berlin Amsterdam nd Geneva
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Wish lists and passenger surveys have to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. For example, if the CO EWR service had been supported by the business community in the way they suggested it would be before a NYC route was ever announced we'd be having one or even two daily flights still.
easyJet have been far more consistent with their routes at BRS than Ryanair with easyJet axing eleven* routes since 2002 whilst Ryanair have axed more than double that number even though they've only had a BRS base since 2007.
the easyJet routes that have been discontinued are:
Venice Marco Polo 2003-2009 Ryanair now operates to Treviso
Bilbao 2003-2004
Copenhagen 2003-2004, but restored in 2012
Valencia 2004-2009 now operated by Ryanair
Hamburg 2005-2006 now operated by bmi regional
Rijeka 2006-2007
Gdansk 2007-2008 now operated by Ryanair
Milan Malpensa 2007-2010 operated by bmi regional until October this year; Ryanair operates to Bergamo in summer
Warsaw Chopin 2008 now operated by Ryanair to Warsaw Modlin
Biarritz 2008-2009
Bastia 2009-2010 now a summer charter flight
* so far as I can ascertain
Of the above Venice stands out. I remember when it was axed there was an article in the local paper with a large number of protests from regular users. easyJet conceded that it was carrying very high loads but the cost of operating into Marco Polo forced the route closure at that time. Whether this situation has changed in the meantime obviously remains to be seen.
CDG is certainly carrying very high loads with 'sold out' shown on sectors several times each week. It does seem to be operating the 320 on the route most days this winter which, perhaps surprisingly, wasn't the case in the summer when at times half the following week's sectors would be shown as 'sold out' by the previous weekend.
That easyJet is losing passengers by having so many flights sold out was demonstrated to me last week. I flew from BRS to Barcelona and on the way out I heard a man behind speaking to a cabin crew member saying he wanted to return to Bristol later in the week but the BCN-BRS flights for the four following days were sold out and he was having to return via BHX with Ryanair.
GVA is hugely popular - for the past four years CAA stats show that the BRS route was busier than any UK airport route outside London to GVA - although airports such as MAN and BHX have substantial routes to other Swiss cities which BRS doesn't.
AMS is currently 11 x weekly although reports suggest the new AMS base will add two more weekly rotations next summer, with KLM at 4 x daily with the E190.
I wouldn't really like to offer any suggestions because I'm not privy to the likely economics of any route. I admit to being pleasantly surprised at the apparent success of the Keflavik route which has been increased to 3 x weekly this winter. That was one I wouldn't have thought was high in the pecking order of new routes so who knows what might happen in the near future?
What does seem likely is that easyJet have done their sums and believe that a significant expansion at BRS is feasible.
easyJet have been far more consistent with their routes at BRS than Ryanair with easyJet axing eleven* routes since 2002 whilst Ryanair have axed more than double that number even though they've only had a BRS base since 2007.
the easyJet routes that have been discontinued are:
Venice Marco Polo 2003-2009 Ryanair now operates to Treviso
Bilbao 2003-2004
Copenhagen 2003-2004, but restored in 2012
Valencia 2004-2009 now operated by Ryanair
Hamburg 2005-2006 now operated by bmi regional
Rijeka 2006-2007
Gdansk 2007-2008 now operated by Ryanair
Milan Malpensa 2007-2010 operated by bmi regional until October this year; Ryanair operates to Bergamo in summer
Warsaw Chopin 2008 now operated by Ryanair to Warsaw Modlin
Biarritz 2008-2009
Bastia 2009-2010 now a summer charter flight
* so far as I can ascertain
Of the above Venice stands out. I remember when it was axed there was an article in the local paper with a large number of protests from regular users. easyJet conceded that it was carrying very high loads but the cost of operating into Marco Polo forced the route closure at that time. Whether this situation has changed in the meantime obviously remains to be seen.
CDG is certainly carrying very high loads with 'sold out' shown on sectors several times each week. It does seem to be operating the 320 on the route most days this winter which, perhaps surprisingly, wasn't the case in the summer when at times half the following week's sectors would be shown as 'sold out' by the previous weekend.
That easyJet is losing passengers by having so many flights sold out was demonstrated to me last week. I flew from BRS to Barcelona and on the way out I heard a man behind speaking to a cabin crew member saying he wanted to return to Bristol later in the week but the BCN-BRS flights for the four following days were sold out and he was having to return via BHX with Ryanair.
GVA is hugely popular - for the past four years CAA stats show that the BRS route was busier than any UK airport route outside London to GVA - although airports such as MAN and BHX have substantial routes to other Swiss cities which BRS doesn't.
AMS is currently 11 x weekly although reports suggest the new AMS base will add two more weekly rotations next summer, with KLM at 4 x daily with the E190.
I wouldn't really like to offer any suggestions because I'm not privy to the likely economics of any route. I admit to being pleasantly surprised at the apparent success of the Keflavik route which has been increased to 3 x weekly this winter. That was one I wouldn't have thought was high in the pecking order of new routes so who knows what might happen in the near future?
What does seem likely is that easyJet have done their sums and believe that a significant expansion at BRS is feasible.
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Totally agree with MV about being delighted at the apparent success of KEF, and also disapppointment at loss of VCE, which was a route I used several times. In terms of what would be interesting and possibly successful, what about these (possibly bizarre) suggestions :
1. Greek routes
2. Further Scandinavian routes beyond CPH
3. Any German routes - MUC, HAM, DUS, FRA, LEJ ..... No competiton with RYR on these and surely they could blow BMI out of the water on fares with these. Whether it's desirable to lose BMI at Bristol is another matter, but I bet EZY could beat their fares.
4. Other Spanish routes, especially northern cities. Would these clash with OPO? I think not.
5. Middle East - IST, TLV, AMM, although I know that they have pulled out of AMM from LGW. Shame, route I have used, and Jordan is absolutely fantastic for visitors. CAI is off the agenda for the moment due to Egyptian govt being so difficult about them flying as a LCC - shame.
However, any Easyjet expansion at BRS is good news, and I will support any interesting new destinations and trust that other BRS passengers will do the same.
1. Greek routes
2. Further Scandinavian routes beyond CPH
3. Any German routes - MUC, HAM, DUS, FRA, LEJ ..... No competiton with RYR on these and surely they could blow BMI out of the water on fares with these. Whether it's desirable to lose BMI at Bristol is another matter, but I bet EZY could beat their fares.
4. Other Spanish routes, especially northern cities. Would these clash with OPO? I think not.
5. Middle East - IST, TLV, AMM, although I know that they have pulled out of AMM from LGW. Shame, route I have used, and Jordan is absolutely fantastic for visitors. CAI is off the agenda for the moment due to Egyptian govt being so difficult about them flying as a LCC - shame.
However, any Easyjet expansion at BRS is good news, and I will support any interesting new destinations and trust that other BRS passengers will do the same.