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Greece Flights
Ive just been looking in the search engines of Olympoic and Libra Holidays trying to find details of their flights from BRS to Greece this summer. Beyond a peak season bmi HER charter, Olympic seem to be using TOM/TCX while I can only find Kos on sale of the Libra website.
Apart from the bmi HER flight I mentioned, does anyone know of any non-TOM/TCX flights to Greece for Libra or Olympic this summer. IIRC last year they used XLA
Apart from the bmi HER flight I mentioned, does anyone know of any non-TOM/TCX flights to Greece for Libra or Olympic this summer. IIRC last year they used XLA
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Charters to Greece
The last time I looked BRS had not loaded its summer 09 schedule onto its website.
Last summer saw the following charter routes each week, although I can't confirm the tour operators that used each one.
Heraklion 5 - TCX (x2) FCA XLA ECA
Corfu 4 - FCA (x2) TCX XLA
Rhodes 4 - XLA (x2) FCA TCX
Zante 4 - TCX (x2) FCA XLA
Kefalonia 2 - XLA FCA
Kos 2 - TCX XLA
Halkidiki (Thessalonika) 1 - TOM
The Greek market from BRS has been contracting in recent years with the loss altogether of such routes as Skiathos, Volos, Santorini and Chania.
Perhaps that's why easyJet is to commence a twice weekly service to Corfu this summer.
Last summer saw the following charter routes each week, although I can't confirm the tour operators that used each one.
Heraklion 5 - TCX (x2) FCA XLA ECA
Corfu 4 - FCA (x2) TCX XLA
Rhodes 4 - XLA (x2) FCA TCX
Zante 4 - TCX (x2) FCA XLA
Kefalonia 2 - XLA FCA
Kos 2 - TCX XLA
Halkidiki (Thessalonika) 1 - TOM
The Greek market from BRS has been contracting in recent years with the loss altogether of such routes as Skiathos, Volos, Santorini and Chania.
Perhaps that's why easyJet is to commence a twice weekly service to Corfu this summer.
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Ryanair Polish routes
There is a post elsewhere on this message board stating that Ryanair is to discontinue a raft of routes from Poland to various UK airports at the end of March, citing increased 'Polish navigational fees and charges'.
The routes from BRS to Gdansk, Katowice and Szczecin are included in the list and none are bookable on the FR web booking engine from the end of March.
Summer 09 will see just four Polish routes (Ryanair to Rzeszow, Wroclaw and Poznan, and easyJet to Krakow), down from a maximum of eight last year involving these two locos.
I haven't checked to see if Ryanair's 12 new routes announced recently take account of the axing of these routes or whether they will be looking for alternative uses for the aircraft.
The routes from BRS to Gdansk, Katowice and Szczecin are included in the list and none are bookable on the FR web booking engine from the end of March.
Summer 09 will see just four Polish routes (Ryanair to Rzeszow, Wroclaw and Poznan, and easyJet to Krakow), down from a maximum of eight last year involving these two locos.
I haven't checked to see if Ryanair's 12 new routes announced recently take account of the axing of these routes or whether they will be looking for alternative uses for the aircraft.
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BRS-FRA Summer Timetable
Some good signs in the BRS-FRA route in the summer timetable. A total of 19 rotations across the week, and a welcome return to flights at the weekend.
In particular, getting a couple of Saturday morning flights out will really help with those Monday morning appointments in Asia. Sunday is also looking much better for people coming inbound.
The only slight bumps are that the morning flights seem to be drifting later and later (Weds and Thurs it's out at 07:40) which might hit some connections, and the mid-morning rotations are simply all over the place - departures from FRA vary between 09:05 and 10:40, and departures from BRS between 11:15 and 12:05. I can see a very looong wait at FRA on inbounds from Asia if you land on Tuesdays (typical arrival time about 05:30, and then 5 hours wait until the 10:40).
Now, if LH can tame their fuel surcharges it will be really set to weather the storm. Having just compared some BRS-NRT flights in Y, the only difference between KL and LH is £100 difference in YQ. Similar story on European short-haul.
In particular, getting a couple of Saturday morning flights out will really help with those Monday morning appointments in Asia. Sunday is also looking much better for people coming inbound.
The only slight bumps are that the morning flights seem to be drifting later and later (Weds and Thurs it's out at 07:40) which might hit some connections, and the mid-morning rotations are simply all over the place - departures from FRA vary between 09:05 and 10:40, and departures from BRS between 11:15 and 12:05. I can see a very looong wait at FRA on inbounds from Asia if you land on Tuesdays (typical arrival time about 05:30, and then 5 hours wait until the 10:40).
Now, if LH can tame their fuel surcharges it will be really set to weather the storm. Having just compared some BRS-NRT flights in Y, the only difference between KL and LH is £100 difference in YQ. Similar story on European short-haul.
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Having just checked a sprinkling of dates in June/July, I can't see any SK flights to OSL or ARN.
It's early still... they might add them in later in the year. In the current situation, I would guess they're wondering how many people will want to take their Pounds and try and spend them in Kronaland....
It's early still... they might add them in later in the year. In the current situation, I would guess they're wondering how many people will want to take their Pounds and try and spend them in Kronaland....
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I can't be sure - MV is our resident statto, and I'm sure has all the numbers at his fingertips.
I flew OSL-BRS and BRS-ARN-BRS last year, on weekday evenings, and was nothing short of staggered at how full the planes were. However, Load Factors alone don't necessarily make a route successful (I think the lead-in price on those flights was £29??). SK do at least have the advantage of not having fuel surcharges on their tickets, so their headline prices can be really pretty low.
I don't know how many people would want to take a Scandinavian break this summer. The costs in Norway were horrid even when the pound was strong.
I flew OSL-BRS and BRS-ARN-BRS last year, on weekday evenings, and was nothing short of staggered at how full the planes were. However, Load Factors alone don't necessarily make a route successful (I think the lead-in price on those flights was £29??). SK do at least have the advantage of not having fuel surcharges on their tickets, so their headline prices can be really pretty low.
I don't know how many people would want to take a Scandinavian break this summer. The costs in Norway were horrid even when the pound was strong.
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It is my understanding from speaking with someone working at the airport that SAS will not be returning to BRS.
This was something we talked about just before xmas.
Shame, as from what I could see the flights were very busy, however as BT mentioned loaded are not always indicative of whether they are making money on the route or not.
This was something we talked about just before xmas.
Shame, as from what I could see the flights were very busy, however as BT mentioned loaded are not always indicative of whether they are making money on the route or not.
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And, much like investments, historic performance is no indicator of future results...
It's probably better for SK to hold back this year, when the risk of failure is higher, and have them come back in later years - rather than get badly burnt and never want to come back again.
There's going to be an awful lot planes sat on the ground this year.
We'll still be looking good for *A airlines. LH are sticking around for the summer, and CO will switch over in November, which means the Christmas New York flight will be miles and status earning. And who knows, even SN might grace the *A during 2009.
Added - this might have something to do with SK not being around this summer
It's probably better for SK to hold back this year, when the risk of failure is higher, and have them come back in later years - rather than get badly burnt and never want to come back again.
There's going to be an awful lot planes sat on the ground this year.
We'll still be looking good for *A airlines. LH are sticking around for the summer, and CO will switch over in November, which means the Christmas New York flight will be miles and status earning. And who knows, even SN might grace the *A during 2009.
Added - this might have something to do with SK not being around this summer
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CO and Star Alliance
So it's definately November for their transfer???
Damm was hoping they'd join sooner....Spetember, so save me flying awful USAir!!!
Still 2010 will hopefully allow me to fly them and gain miles
Not sure the time line for SN though.
Damm was hoping they'd join sooner....Spetember, so save me flying awful USAir!!!
Still 2010 will hopefully allow me to fly them and gain miles
Not sure the time line for SN though.
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As I have understood it, CO leave SkyTeam on 24th October, and have said they will be in *A "very shortly afterwards".
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CO and Star Alliance
Thanks B.T. for that bit of info.
Will certainly improve my choice of carriers and departure airports (BRS) to the East coast.
Unfortunately, everything you hear about US Air is true.
NEVER AGAIN
I'm even considering A.C. to PHL via YYZ despite additional cost and time.
Will certainly improve my choice of carriers and departure airports (BRS) to the East coast.
Unfortunately, everything you hear about US Air is true.
NEVER AGAIN
I'm even considering A.C. to PHL via YYZ despite additional cost and time.
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SK routes to OSL and ARN
The Oslo and Stockholm routes to do not appear in the SK summer 09 timetable, nor the BRS web list of destinations. Perhaps not surprising given the recent news about SK.
Beleaguered Scandinavian carrier SAS which slumped into the red for 2008 said Tuesday it would step up restructuring, lay off thousands and cut 40 per cent of its routes....................
'Horrifying' year for SAS ends with
losses, layoffs - Yahoo! News
For the record the 8-week Stockholm season carried 3024 passengers on its 2 x weekly service compared with 2816 in 2007. The only full calendar month was July when average load was around 95 on the B 737 (I believe the series varied).
The Oslo route ran from April to October at 3 x weekly and carried a total of 14317 passengers. The best month was July with average loads of 111 on the B 737 (again I believe the series varied and possibly a MD 80 series might also have been used occasionally). The other months were in the 70 to 90 average load bracket.
I suspect these routes would have needed to have brought in sensational yields for SK to have continued them this coming summer given the airline's major problems.
CO to EWR
I have noticed that the Sunday outbound (and Sat/Sun overnight inbound) did not operate for the last three weeks of January, and last week the Saturday outbound (Fri/Sat overnight inbound) didn't operate either, giving only three rotations last week.
This week the full 5 x weekly winter schedule seems to have been restored.
Beleaguered Scandinavian carrier SAS which slumped into the red for 2008 said Tuesday it would step up restructuring, lay off thousands and cut 40 per cent of its routes....................
'Horrifying' year for SAS ends with
losses, layoffs - Yahoo! News
For the record the 8-week Stockholm season carried 3024 passengers on its 2 x weekly service compared with 2816 in 2007. The only full calendar month was July when average load was around 95 on the B 737 (I believe the series varied).
The Oslo route ran from April to October at 3 x weekly and carried a total of 14317 passengers. The best month was July with average loads of 111 on the B 737 (again I believe the series varied and possibly a MD 80 series might also have been used occasionally). The other months were in the 70 to 90 average load bracket.
I suspect these routes would have needed to have brought in sensational yields for SK to have continued them this coming summer given the airline's major problems.
CO to EWR
I have noticed that the Sunday outbound (and Sat/Sun overnight inbound) did not operate for the last three weeks of January, and last week the Saturday outbound (Fri/Sat overnight inbound) didn't operate either, giving only three rotations last week.
This week the full 5 x weekly winter schedule seems to have been restored.
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Will certainly improve my choice of carriers and departure airports (BRS) to the East coast.
I hope CO / LH can get yields and loads right this year. Mayrhuber (CEO/Chairman of LH) is on record as saying something along the lines of a 5% global fall in passenger numbers would be "horrific". I'm guessing horrors are certainly on the way this year.
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Despite SK's 'horrific' financial problems they have just introduced the CR9 on the BHX-CPH route which I would have thought be an aircraft ideal for flights from BRS too? Lets hope they will be back next year (and that they also continue from BHX, i'm not sure if I can face flying with FR to Billund-Copenhagen West!!!)
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Seat-only charter operator Kiss Flights has unveiled a new route departing from Bristol to Tenerife South, from 3rd Jul, on Fridays.
Flights are to be operated by Viking Airlines.
Flights are to be operated by Viking Airlines.