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Old 11th Dec 2006, 14:14
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Ummmm, actually most of us definitely don't want to be bought by BA. NO thanks!
Would much rather be bought by Virgin!
That's a rather emphatic NO Bootylicious, why?
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 14:21
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Most of us!!!! Don't include me in that. I think you'll find most of us would rather stay the way we are.
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BA/Virgin tie up may be the only option, there is no way GB can stay as they are. Only 15 aeroplanes and EZY and the other locos hammering them on all their core routes out of LGW, things have to change.

If it wasn't for the two a/c out of LHR with the high club loads making big money they might not be around now. The figures last year were massaged to only show a 5 million loss but it was much worse.

The pilots have just voted 90% in favour of industrial action over JH so that could be the final nail etc.
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 17:13
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Originally Posted by seymour fanny
The pilots have just voted 90% in favour of industrial action over JH so that could be the final nail etc.
JH? Not Jubilee House surely?
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I'm another one that couldn't imagine anything worse than working for BA, and having to fly with their stuck-up, egotistical idiots they call pilots.
Also... for your information, GB has NOT ONE route which is BA's. ALL the routes which GB flies that require route licences are, and always have been, GB's own since before the franchise started.
As for us ending up with more ADD's by going over to VS engineering... you do make me laugh. Our contract with BA had endless problems... hours of delays in releasing aircraft, no spares, and engineers (some at least) that just couldn't be bothered. It maybe early days with VS, but my god... how different they are!
Just like BA loading... 2 hours to turn round a 320... what a joke. The work to rule really worked didn't it! Off we go to Aviance... always loaded, and closed up early.
Everything we hear about BA is worrying... but not for us... it is YOU that should be worried!
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Old 12th Dec 2006, 01:58
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I'm another one that couldn't imagine anything worse than working for BA, and having to fly with their stuck-up, egotistical idiots they call pilots.
Now, now. This is no place for willy-waving in public, you might find yourself exposed with nothing to cover your ass sorry, couldn't resist - telegrams are still slow to reach us in the British East India Company
As for us ending up with more ADD's by going over to VS engineering... you do make me laugh
We aim to please. As you point out, it is early days and yes BA engineering had it's issues for GB. All I have said is this utopia will change in the future as the Virgin management tighten the screws (sic) on the contract costs.
Off we go to Aviance... always loaded, and closed up early.
Again early days and no, BA Handling are not perfect. You've had 2 months(?) of handling from Aviance at the beginning of the winter season, even Circusair can manage to get the right number of people/steps/equipment at this time of year. It is the middle of the summer 0300 arrival you want to look forward to.
ALL the routes which GB flies that require route licences are, and always have been, GB's own since before the franchise started.
All of them? Licences for LGW to SSH and DLM, EMA and BRS to TFS were all in place before the franchise started? I'm not saying they were ever BAs but I'm surprised that GB applied to operate these routes before the franchise started.

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Old 12th Dec 2006, 22:01
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GB.....

Days after the Jubilee House deadline, along with a 90% 'against' vote from the (BALPA registered) pilots for moving there... and still not a word from the company....

We ALL know there is a plan afoot.

Not only with the withdrawal of BA engineering and BA handling at LGW, heavy rumour surrounding the franchise, but also i hear that GB will be using CTC for their airbus type ratings next year instead of BA..... (true / not true???)

I hope that the company (Bland & GB) let their loyal personnel know soon what the plan is.

I know that most the people here are fairly negative about the future of GB, but i reckon there could be a great future for the airline, given the right direction. I hope there is.

Merry xmas everyone

BPM
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 08:48
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Originally Posted by StudentInDebt
Licences for LGW to SSH and DLM, EMA and BRS to TFS were all in place before the franchise started? I'm not saying they were ever BAs but I'm surprised that GB applied to operate these routes before the franchise started.
I never said that they were in place before the franchise started... of course they weren't. However, GB still remains an Independent Airline, and therefore applies for routes itself with Government Authorities... The only involvement that BA ever has is approving GB to operate it 'as BA'.
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Hi all,
have the A320/321 used on BA connect services from MAN a different seat config. to those operating with Club Europe or are they all in Y156 (A320) and Y189 (A321)?
GB uses the same aircraft, whatever the base, but are just rotated back to LGW for main maintenance. The BACon flights have the converter seats in all Economy, rather than a mix of Club and Economy. The seating on most of them is being changed this winter though (thinner seats) to give an extra row.
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 20:31
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Originally Posted by seymour fanny
BA/Virgin tie up may be the only option, there is no way GB can stay as they are. Only 15 aeroplanes and EZY and the other locos hammering them on all their core routes out of LGW, things have to change.

If it wasn't for the two a/c out of LHR with the high club loads making big money they might not be around now. The figures last year were massaged to only show a 5 million loss but it was much worse.

The pilots have just voted 90% in favour of industrial action over JH so that could be the final nail etc.

I believe GB to be a private company... how would you know if figures were massaged unless you are the accountant....me thinks you are talking from the place the sun dont shine..... sunshine !!..... But interesting about your ballot.
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 21:47
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JH signed and sealed today peeps. Drivers been told their last day is 28th Feb, and the official move is on March 1st. All done and dusted. It appears, despite the 90% to 10% margin in favour of industrial action, that the company has called the shots, and will now wait to see if the 90% stand by their word and go on strike if BALPA orders it. I hope, whatever happens, that it doesnt affect the Xmas travel plans of our loyal customers.

Their is something in the pipeline,.... something big,.... and will become news before March,... things are gonna change big style.....

I think JG is jumping ship back to the motherland,.... to start all again

FP
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Old 14th Dec 2006, 17:37
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After all it is the Season of goodwill....to all.....

Keep the faith.
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Old 15th Dec 2006, 09:50
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Wonder if they could be merging into the Gatwick Fleet ? If they were leaving BA Franchise why would they move into Jubilee House ? If they are going to become a Virgin Franchise wouldnt they move into Concorde house at South Terminal where Virgin are based !
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Old 18th Dec 2006, 11:21
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Originally Posted by flyer55
If they are going to become a Virgin Franchise wouldnt they move into Concorde house at South Terminal where Virgin are based !
Sounds sensible but GB have been a BA franchise for years without sharing any office space with them. Guess they wouldn't need to share anything with VS either.

Don't think that's gonna happen though.

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Old 18th Dec 2006, 15:08
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Absolutely no chance!! C'mon guys!!!
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Old 18th Dec 2006, 16:09
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Every rumour I hear points at a take over from BA,.... common knowledge within BA apparently,.............. GB keeping the AOC, and 2 aircraft and operating from GIB as GibAir like the old days,....

All signed and sealed for March,... mark my words!

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Old 20th Dec 2006, 08:16
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Must be why the a/c steps in Gib have been rebranded from GB Airways then...
How depressing... not only going to have to stand at Z car park waiting for a bus, but having to work for BA too.
At least I can look forward to jumping in on the BA seniority list... after all we do fly the same aircraft in the same livery already
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At least I can look forward to jumping in on the BA seniority list... after all we do fly the same aircraft in the same livery already
Can't wait to see the reaction to that!! I know it was tongue in cheek....

True about the a/c steps in Gib, but not on GB Airways current name and livery but GibAir livery of old.

Perhpas they had a spare sticker lying around. Or perhaps the company's splitting between Gib and LGW and they still haven't told us.

BPM
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Old 20th Dec 2006, 10:54
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No. completely different outfit. Remember GB routes out of GIB are traditional routes that have nothing to do with the franchise, so there is every chance that we may revert to a couple of GB Airways liveried aircraft to operate them - doesn't affect the franchise running routes from LGW,LHR,MAN,EMA and BRS. Rumour is of a stronger tie with BA (in whatever form!) from LGW with more aircraft - i hear 22.
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Old 20th Dec 2006, 21:46
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Originally Posted by beauport potato man
Can't wait to see the reaction to that!! I know it was tongue in cheek....

True about the a/c steps in Gib, but not on GB Airways current name and livery but GibAir livery of old.

Perhpas they had a spare sticker lying around. Or perhaps the company's splitting between Gib and LGW and they still haven't told us.

BPM
BPM.... sounds like you are well informed GBite.....are you staying or moving to another not so distant LGW operator.....
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Old 21st Dec 2006, 19:40
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Remember, both lots of crew have to be ballotted on it if it is likely to be a takeover and GB joining into The Gatwick fleet ! If GB crew know something they maybe a good idea to share !!
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