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Slots that GB use are used on BA routes but that doesn't make the slots BA slots!
You could use a slot for whatever you wanted. For example if GB wanted to it could use its slot to run an aircraft to somewhere empty for a month and then the next month use it on a route that it would operate using a BA flight number.
Not that it would but thats just an example.
You could use a slot for whatever you wanted. For example if GB wanted to it could use its slot to run an aircraft to somewhere empty for a month and then the next month use it on a route that it would operate using a BA flight number.
Not that it would but thats just an example.
The only reason Kevin Hatton was appointed as the MD for GB was to prepare the airline for an eventual take-over by BA. The reason they have moved the engineering to Virgin and will be moving the handling is so that when BA close the Gatwick operation they can dispose of those elements of the operation easily. Bmed will also be taken-over with both sets of pilots and CC joining the common BA seniority list. In this way BA will gain a relatively new collection of A320s/A321s which will all be based at LGW to replace the 737s. BA/GB will announce the aquisition of A330s which will operate the routes currently done on the 777, giving a mixed longhaul/shorthaul Airbus operation out of LGW.
Just gives you the HeeBeeGBs thinking about it doesn't it!!
Just gives you the HeeBeeGBs thinking about it doesn't it!!
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Good call but from whence is all the money going to come to fund this plan. Another plan may see BA not wanting the tie up with GB anyway as the monopolistic hold that GB have on its numerous routes is fast fading, even soon to be challenged on the Rock.
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IF BA take over GB and BMED, it will be interesting to see where on the BA seniority list the GB and BMED guys end up 
There is a Heated debate going on over on the FlyBe/ BACon take over.
It is amazing how self important some guys seem to think they are.
I wonder if the same opinions would be held if they, BACon, were taken over by BA Mainline?
There is a Heated debate going on over on the FlyBe/ BACon take over.
It is amazing how self important some guys seem to think they are.
I wonder if the same opinions would be held if they, BACon, were taken over by BA Mainline?
I'd demand to be put at the top of the mainline seniority... If we are of such value that we are to be bought out, then show us our worth and plonk us at the top of the list! 
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IF BA take over GB and BMED, it will be interesting to see where on the BA seniority list the GB and BMED guys end up
I'd demand to be put at the top of the mainline seniority... If we are of such value that we are to be bought out, then show us our worth and plonk us at the top of the list!
The only reason Kevin Hatton was appointed as the MD for GB was to prepare the airline for an eventual take-over by BA. The reason they have moved the engineering to Virgin and will be moving the handling is so that when BA close the Gatwick operation they can dispose of those elements of the operation easily. Bmed will also be taken-over with both sets of pilots and CC joining the common BA seniority list. In this way BA will gain a relatively new collection of A320s/A321s which will all be based at LGW to replace the 737s. BA/GB will announce the aquisition of A330s which will operate the routes currently done on the 777, giving a mixed longhaul/shorthaul Airbus operation out of LGW.
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BA do not 'own' any of the slots or the routes that GB operate. All the slots are owned by GB under grandfather rights rules, although a few of the slots have been temporarily swopped with BA for mutual convenience; eg one GB slot at xxxx hrs swapped for a BA slot at xxxx hrs for a season to ease programming constraints. All routes within Europe are not 'owned' by anybody, and anybody can fly them, although GB cannot fly a route under the BA brand without BA giving permission, which presumably means BA cannot profitably fly it themselves. For the routes outside Europe that do require a licence from the respective countries national governments, GB holds the licence, not BA.
I know that BA pilots don't like it , but the fact is that BA(the company not the BA workforce) sold the right to use the BA brand on certain specific routes for a certain amount of time (until 2010). BA gets the money and GB flies in BA colours.
And, in 2010 BA will have to decide whether it wants a 20 aircraft airline to remain a friend or to become a competitor in its own right or possibly in partneship with one of BA's rivals.
I know that BA pilots don't like it , but the fact is that BA(the company not the BA workforce) sold the right to use the BA brand on certain specific routes for a certain amount of time (until 2010). BA gets the money and GB flies in BA colours.
And, in 2010 BA will have to decide whether it wants a 20 aircraft airline to remain a friend or to become a competitor in its own right or possibly in partneship with one of BA's rivals.
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Actually I think ba own 3 routes from LGW ( Alicante, Malaga & Faro) which are operated on BA's behalf by GB ask any despatcher ! Ba buying Gb will all have to watch and see what happens as we do know WW doesnt like franchises ! So another merger 
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Not sure what you mean by "BA own those routes" as all 3 are within the EU, so even if the franchise and BA permissions were to end tomorrow, GB could freely continue to operate them in their own right.
"Ownership" of any routes within the EU is irrelevant, unless of course there are slots involved if the slots themselves were to belong to BA.....but GB hold all their own slots at LGW (putting aside a few they've swapped with BA as described above) so there's no problem.
In trim.
Not sure what you mean by "BA own those routes" as all 3 are within the EU, so even if the franchise and BA permissions were to end tomorrow, GB could freely continue to operate them in their own right.
"Ownership" of any routes within the EU is irrelevant, unless of course there are slots involved if the slots themselves were to belong to BA.....but GB hold all their own slots at LGW (putting aside a few they've swapped with BA as described above) so there's no problem.
In trim.
I'll have a gallon of whatever mind bending liquid you are drinking SID.
You heard it here first remember....
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SID, you're not drinking again are you?? Thought you'd given that up on account of it interferring with your film making. Are there any other rumours you've heard? You seem to be the one in the know!!
The only other rumour I've heard is that GB aren't running any command courses beyond June, apparently BA are going to be seconding their SFOs who are eligible for command to GB so they can gain their command. This is yet another prelude to the takeover, the seniority lists will be combined as they were when Cityflyer was absorbed a few years ago.
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This is great stuff.... particularly the 'merger' story!!!
I suppose we can all guess/second guess GB's plans for the future, and be sure there are changes ahead. But one thing is for certain, KH hasn't been brought in simply to 'steady the ship' for a few more years...
He knows something we don't, and i'm sure we'll all find out soon enough, but until then it's interesting to hear the speculation from gossip and rumour!!
So what happens next?
BPM
I suppose we can all guess/second guess GB's plans for the future, and be sure there are changes ahead. But one thing is for certain, KH hasn't been brought in simply to 'steady the ship' for a few more years...
He knows something we don't, and i'm sure we'll all find out soon enough, but until then it's interesting to hear the speculation from gossip and rumour!!
So what happens next?
BPM
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It seems a little strange that during all the cost cutting that GB have at no doubt great expense prematurely terminated all the aircraft insurance's on 31st March, which all relate to Big Airways being being the Mother Company.
So much is happening so fast that you can't but wonder what is going to unfold next, Connect guys didn't see their future change until they read it in the morning papers and we know how much the company enjoy communicating with us!
So much is happening so fast that you can't but wonder what is going to unfold next, Connect guys didn't see their future change until they read it in the morning papers and we know how much the company enjoy communicating with us!