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Join Date: May 2004
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Alan as a first post congratulations as everything you wrote is wrong, not one thing but ALL, example ATC Lasham do not have a B767 approval.And the rest is also guff.
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Bloody hell that is one big long "C" check, "will fly back sfb-bfs-gla then will fly to atc lasham for its C Check and repaint then and fly back to gla or edi and will be back in use with flyglobespan from 24th May 08".
Sorry maybe the paint job is being done by the use of a pencil paint brush and not guns.
Sorry maybe the paint job is being done by the use of a pencil paint brush and not guns.
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Might I suggest.
If you are pax, and unhappy, use the appropriate methods and channels of contacting the company to discuss your case. Public uncontrolled anonymous internet sites are not the ideal route.
If you work for the company, it's fine being annoyed at anything that has happened, but at some stage you either have to be part of the effort to help the company resolve any problems and move on, or go to the place where the grass is greener. That time is now.
Whatever it is, as with all things, quick fixes are very elusive, and often create more problems. Solid thought through strategies take time to implement and bring results.
Rehashing the same comments over and over is simply wasting space now.
For what it's worth.
I have had the dubious pleasure of working in places that are truly bad, both aviation and engineering. I see a lot of effort and commitment here, that were missing in those other places.
Time will tell.
If you are pax, and unhappy, use the appropriate methods and channels of contacting the company to discuss your case. Public uncontrolled anonymous internet sites are not the ideal route.
If you work for the company, it's fine being annoyed at anything that has happened, but at some stage you either have to be part of the effort to help the company resolve any problems and move on, or go to the place where the grass is greener. That time is now.
Whatever it is, as with all things, quick fixes are very elusive, and often create more problems. Solid thought through strategies take time to implement and bring results.
Rehashing the same comments over and over is simply wasting space now.
For what it's worth.
I have had the dubious pleasure of working in places that are truly bad, both aviation and engineering. I see a lot of effort and commitment here, that were missing in those other places.
Time will tell.
Join Date: Jul 2000
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Well now Groundrat and mmOwkj, I do not have any axe to grind one way or another but I can't help noticing that both of you keep on reiterating the same old story of how you were delayed on your flights with GSM. Annoying I agree, frustrating I will also agree with. It does occur to me though, that GSM as a scheduled service operator had the option just to cancel the flights that you were delayed on, refund your money and leave you and your families stranded where they were. In fact they never just cancelled but tried their hardest to get everyone either home or to their destinations. Admitedly they did on occaisions go via odd stop-overs but they did eventually arrive. Perhaps though you would have prefered your families to have been left stranded and have to pay a Normal high fare, that of course is always your choice and right. Might I suggest next time you wish to avail yourseles of air transport you elect to pay the higher prices and go via LHR or MAN etc.
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Canceling flights mean refunding money. Refunding money means less money for GSM. Not canceling flights had nothing to do with trying to get families to their destination, it was about keeping the money. If they really cared for the families they would have offered light refreshment vouchers during the delays / offered refunds if pax decided to cancel their delayed flights etc etc. I'll never understand why some people lie for GSM. I've met the bosses, they don't care for passengers feelings - FACT. 
You wont understand the rants on the forums if you've never been an unfortunate previous employee or an unfortunate previous passenger with GSM.
There are angry employees, ex-employees, passengers, customers, travel companies, engineers, handling agents and other contractors for a reason. There wasn't a memo put out one day telling people to bash GSM. It's GSM's attitude that's done it.
If you don't like the insults, don't read them. If the insults hurt/annoy you, deal with it, as you admire a poor company.
Lastly, there are LOTS of airlines with problems / delayed flights. However, people will always nitpick GSM, as they're one of the worst. Their own fault.
You wont understand the rants on the forums if you've never been an unfortunate previous employee or an unfortunate previous passenger with GSM.
There are angry employees, ex-employees, passengers, customers, travel companies, engineers, handling agents and other contractors for a reason. There wasn't a memo put out one day telling people to bash GSM. It's GSM's attitude that's done it.
If you don't like the insults, don't read them. If the insults hurt/annoy you, deal with it, as you admire a poor company.
Lastly, there are LOTS of airlines with problems / delayed flights. However, people will always nitpick GSM, as they're one of the worst. Their own fault.
Join Date: Nov 2007
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If Scotland lost GSM they would lose alot of routes that no other airline such as easy jet, jet2 and ryanair cover. There only now starting to launch european routes from Scottish airports ! Are GSM re-launching BOS from Gla ?
Join Date: Jul 2000
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ggspn, I can deal with any insult especially as I have no axe to grind, you on the other hand along with others obviously do have an axe to grind. All I was doing was pointing out the fact tha GSM did not cancel flights in fact they did offer vouchers I know as I was a recipient of one.(FACT). Yes I was delayed as was my family but we got there and at a cheap price.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London (Babylon-on-Thames)
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Every US route ever flown from Glasgow is filled from Economy first, suffers from poorer yields and is incredibly seasonal. If American couldn't fill the business cabin, it's comic to think flyGlobespan will fill the entire aircraft with suits.........
The short answer is NO.
The short answer is NO.
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Blackball, at the end of the day you don't truly know what GSM are like. You've experienced one delayed flight and got vouchers for it. "Yey."
I've sat in a room grinding my teeth because GSM were debating if it was "cost effective" to give vouchers to passengers for a 4+ hour delayed flight. I remember menzies at EDI begging for permission to give out vouchers, only for GSM to say "No, the aircraft will be leaving soon anyway." They wouldn't even give passengers vouchers to use on board the aircraft. I genuinely felt sorry for gate agents / dispatchers that had to deal with 170 angry passengers.
Does anyone remember the 2 weeks of GLA-FAO flights that operated with 15+ bags down each flight because the 737-600's were used instead of the 738's. (Less hold space). Where was GSM's compassion?
I've sat in a room grinding my teeth because GSM were debating if it was "cost effective" to give vouchers to passengers for a 4+ hour delayed flight. I remember menzies at EDI begging for permission to give out vouchers, only for GSM to say "No, the aircraft will be leaving soon anyway." They wouldn't even give passengers vouchers to use on board the aircraft. I genuinely felt sorry for gate agents / dispatchers that had to deal with 170 angry passengers.
Does anyone remember the 2 weeks of GLA-FAO flights that operated with 15+ bags down each flight because the 737-600's were used instead of the 738's. (Less hold space). Where was GSM's compassion?
Join Date: May 2007
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The 738 are all usually GLA Based and over the winter i know at least 1 737NG is EDI based. The 736 are also usually EDI and i think the 733 are being disposed of. Are there anymore aircraft heading GSM way
Join Date: Nov 2007
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oh right sorry about that um where would it go to get its c check and how long will it take to get one and the seat layout for 14th december goin to florida for 3 weeks and it is 3 seats each side with one aisle and Business class seat pitch is 38" 30 November 07 -23 May so it should be G-CEJM unless they are just going to stay with G-CDPT all winter 
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"Every US route ever flown from Glasgow is filled from Economy first, suffers from poorer yields and is incredibly seasonal. If American couldn't fill the business cabin, it's comic to think flyGlobespan will fill the entire aircraft with suits.........
The short answer is NO."
Skipness One Echo, can you point me in the direction(s) of the Continental and US Airways balance sheets for the GLA-PHL and GLA-EWR routes, thanks.
And while you're at it can you enlighten me as to why American ran the GLA-ORD service at a loss for 16 years, thanks again.
The short answer is NO."
Skipness One Echo, can you point me in the direction(s) of the Continental and US Airways balance sheets for the GLA-PHL and GLA-EWR routes, thanks.
And while you're at it can you enlighten me as to why American ran the GLA-ORD service at a loss for 16 years, thanks again.
Join Date: Aug 2002
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OK 1990 NWA fly GLA-BOS transferring from PIK. Pulled 1994 with the competition and the ability to code share with KLM ex AMS. Also losing money in the winter as the DC10-40 was way too big out of the summer season.
AA GLA-ORD, arrived summer 1990. Ends year round service in 1994 as the demand up front wasn't there to keep things going in the winter. Operated seasonally from 1995 until the number of transfers heading for Florida dies off due to more direct flights from Glasgow.
United on GLA-IAD from Aug 93 to Jan-95. Lost money.
Continental GLA-EWR starts 1998 and does well and soon flies as a DC10. Then comes 9-11 and later service introduced to EDI which now has more capacity from Scotland.
US Airways seasonal only.
American didn't ( always ) lose money on ORD, however they admitted they could make more money using the aircraft elsewhere so clearly not a high yield key business route.
As for Continental GLA-EWR, it has gone from 11 flights per week summer 2006, to 10 in 2007 and 7 in 2008. Go figure.
Air Canada also tried year round services aimed at the business market for a bit in the late 90s and went to seasonal services only before pulling out after 40 years +
AA GLA-ORD, arrived summer 1990. Ends year round service in 1994 as the demand up front wasn't there to keep things going in the winter. Operated seasonally from 1995 until the number of transfers heading for Florida dies off due to more direct flights from Glasgow.
United on GLA-IAD from Aug 93 to Jan-95. Lost money.
Continental GLA-EWR starts 1998 and does well and soon flies as a DC10. Then comes 9-11 and later service introduced to EDI which now has more capacity from Scotland.
US Airways seasonal only.
American didn't ( always ) lose money on ORD, however they admitted they could make more money using the aircraft elsewhere so clearly not a high yield key business route.
As for Continental GLA-EWR, it has gone from 11 flights per week summer 2006, to 10 in 2007 and 7 in 2008. Go figure.
Air Canada also tried year round services aimed at the business market for a bit in the late 90s and went to seasonal services only before pulling out after 40 years +