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Fgs 767's
Can anyone disclose how long the FGS 767's will be based in Mumbai on the Air India contract and what is happening with one of the 767's supposedly going to Santa Barbabra Airlines in Caracas?
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Can you add the United balance sheets to my other balance sheets requests, thanks.
As for COA having more capacity in Scotland, yes, only on the EWR route during the summer, during the winter the GLA service carries more pax, fact, you'll be giving us the yields shortly, along with the AAL and US ones, I can't wait.
I believe the COA summer schedules aren't finalised yet from Glasgow, but they still have to compete with US, FlyGlobespan to BOS (possibly) and numerous other carriers to Florida and Las Vegas.
I personally have used the AAL GLA-ORD service twice, the GLA-EWR service 3 times, and the GLA-PHL service 5 times, every flight except one was near as dammit full, no, I don't know the yields, but you obviously do, please share them.
Delta will be appearing shortly at EDI on the EDI-'New York' route, hopefully the yield on that one beats their expectations of the withdrawn EDI-ATL which I'm sure you'll be posting shortly.
As for COA having more capacity in Scotland, yes, only on the EWR route during the summer, during the winter the GLA service carries more pax, fact, you'll be giving us the yields shortly, along with the AAL and US ones, I can't wait.
I believe the COA summer schedules aren't finalised yet from Glasgow, but they still have to compete with US, FlyGlobespan to BOS (possibly) and numerous other carriers to Florida and Las Vegas.
I personally have used the AAL GLA-ORD service twice, the GLA-EWR service 3 times, and the GLA-PHL service 5 times, every flight except one was near as dammit full, no, I don't know the yields, but you obviously do, please share them.
Delta will be appearing shortly at EDI on the EDI-'New York' route, hopefully the yield on that one beats their expectations of the withdrawn EDI-ATL which I'm sure you'll be posting shortly.
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Sheep fancier calm down and think about it for a mo. You KNOW it's all about yields. A full flight doesn't mean squat if the yields are poor. I flew ABZ-LGW last weekend but it's being axed as the yields will fall when the oil traffic changing to the Houston service is lost when that moves to LHR in the summer. I can't access the privileged company data on yields but this was the reason publically given for NWA pulling out, AAL pulling out, United pulling out and Delta leaving ATL-EDI for a last ditch try at JFK-EDI in the summer. If I'm wrong, then what's your explanantion? Is US Airways flying year round yet? Why not? Because to fill the seats in winter they have to sell them at silly prices and lose money.
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I don't recall any 'press releases' re the reasons for the American withdrawal from GLA nor the United withdrawal from GLA.
'Rumours' at the time had AAL withdrawing due to them getting (supposed) better yields on a South American route with the 767-300 used on the GLA flight, the GLA-IAD United route was a weird one to start with.
NWA consolidated most of their European ops at AMS and moved the a/c to the Trans-Pacific routes, fact.
GLA still handles more Transatlantic pax year round than any other Scottish airport, but moreso in the winter when only COA operate from EDI and GLA.
As for Business Class pax, I'm told at times there are NO seats available from GLA on the EK DXB flights.
'Rumours' at the time had AAL withdrawing due to them getting (supposed) better yields on a South American route with the 767-300 used on the GLA flight, the GLA-IAD United route was a weird one to start with.
NWA consolidated most of their European ops at AMS and moved the a/c to the Trans-Pacific routes, fact.
GLA still handles more Transatlantic pax year round than any other Scottish airport, but moreso in the winter when only COA operate from EDI and GLA.
As for Business Class pax, I'm told at times there are NO seats available from GLA on the EK DXB flights.
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So what's your explanation then? Why aren't airlines queuing to fly all year round from Glasgow to reap the whirlwind of high yield business class fares?
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Well,well,well..and to think,i was finished with all this and then,suddenly GSM do something that personally upsets me:G-CDPT(in all its AI livery)arrives from its tour of duty into GLA along with a stowaway cargo of live cockroaches!
Did they inform Ports and health authority?NO!Did they hell as like!!!Why do GSM think they can continue to get away with these blatant breaking of the rules??Nobody else does it to such extent!Not to worry though,i mentioned it to a close friend in the BAA just so they could check it out and see if there was any "truth" to the story.If it is, i believe the aircraft should have been fumigated according to current regulations and guidlines??Oh well,i guess we'll just have to wait and see what the outcome is:if untrue,it would seem that there are more people than those of us on PPRUNE who have an"axe to grind".
Did they inform Ports and health authority?NO!Did they hell as like!!!Why do GSM think they can continue to get away with these blatant breaking of the rules??Nobody else does it to such extent!Not to worry though,i mentioned it to a close friend in the BAA just so they could check it out and see if there was any "truth" to the story.If it is, i believe the aircraft should have been fumigated according to current regulations and guidlines??Oh well,i guess we'll just have to wait and see what the outcome is:if untrue,it would seem that there are more people than those of us on PPRUNE who have an"axe to grind".
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You obviously cant be referring to the same Globespan when you wrote "It does occur to me though, that GSM as a scheduled service operator had the option just to cancel the flights that you were delayed on, refund your money and leave you and your families stranded where they were. In fact they never just cancelled but tried their hardest to get everyone either home or to their destinations".
Tell that to the 40 odd people someone mentioned who turned up at the airport to be told...'the flight has been cancelled'. The hundreds posting on counless other forums with the same stories of cancelled flights. The hundreds stranded in NY earlier this year still trying to get something back after GSM dumped them. Then, just for good measure do a google search using 'globespan cancelled flight' and be sure to read the 400+ entries before making a fool of yourself. They have, and will cancel flights as deemed nessesary to remain cost effective. The quote it in their own documentation and on the first few lines of their web pages. Problem is, they have cancelled at very short notice with little or no warning to customers.
I wont comment on some of the posts re GSM trying their hardest, I'll let you read those for your self.
Yes, airlines do have problems, they will try to assist but they need a customer relations department to do that properly. GSM dont have one so they rely on agents (who are sick of GSM) to do it for them. And the poor staff are the ones that suffer the brunt of it with management hiding until the dust settles.
If you want to know just how bad the staff feel about it, just check out cabincrew.com and see how many staff mentions there are about cancellations, delays, customer complaints and general apathy for the entire operation.
GSM need support to keep going but support will only come from delivering a reliable service and treating their staff and their paying customers with the respect they deserve. The monumental screw ups of summer 07 have bitten hard and only after counltess customer complaints and postings on forums pointing out where they have gone wrong have they sat up and made an attempt solutions.
Fixing it would appear to have cost them dearly with bases closing, flight schedules changes, staff redundancies and yes, more flights cancelled, but if they come back stronger then good for them. If they hadn't thought they could run a service with staff and equipment being stretched to the limit in the first place then none if the summer fiasco would have happened, none of the negative posts would have been written and they wouldn't be under such close scrutiny, not just by customers but also by airline authorities. Things must be bad if it gets to that stage.
Management have learned their lesson but at the expense of custom and a bloody nose. The bloody nose will heal but it will take something special to gain a lot of customers trust again.
Someone rightly pointed out that they are one of the only carriers running direct servcies to some locations from Scotland and pax do have the choice of travelling to London or Manchester etc to connect. In a number of cases the costs are significantly cheaper doing so but for the convenience, some will put up with a little disruption. The line of acceptance in todays world for poor service is growing ever thinner and GSM are finding out just how thin it is becoming.
You obviously cant be referring to the same Globespan when you wrote "It does occur to me though, that GSM as a scheduled service operator had the option just to cancel the flights that you were delayed on, refund your money and leave you and your families stranded where they were. In fact they never just cancelled but tried their hardest to get everyone either home or to their destinations".
Tell that to the 40 odd people someone mentioned who turned up at the airport to be told...'the flight has been cancelled'. The hundreds posting on counless other forums with the same stories of cancelled flights. The hundreds stranded in NY earlier this year still trying to get something back after GSM dumped them. Then, just for good measure do a google search using 'globespan cancelled flight' and be sure to read the 400+ entries before making a fool of yourself. They have, and will cancel flights as deemed nessesary to remain cost effective. The quote it in their own documentation and on the first few lines of their web pages. Problem is, they have cancelled at very short notice with little or no warning to customers.
I wont comment on some of the posts re GSM trying their hardest, I'll let you read those for your self.
Yes, airlines do have problems, they will try to assist but they need a customer relations department to do that properly. GSM dont have one so they rely on agents (who are sick of GSM) to do it for them. And the poor staff are the ones that suffer the brunt of it with management hiding until the dust settles.
If you want to know just how bad the staff feel about it, just check out cabincrew.com and see how many staff mentions there are about cancellations, delays, customer complaints and general apathy for the entire operation.
GSM need support to keep going but support will only come from delivering a reliable service and treating their staff and their paying customers with the respect they deserve. The monumental screw ups of summer 07 have bitten hard and only after counltess customer complaints and postings on forums pointing out where they have gone wrong have they sat up and made an attempt solutions.
Fixing it would appear to have cost them dearly with bases closing, flight schedules changes, staff redundancies and yes, more flights cancelled, but if they come back stronger then good for them. If they hadn't thought they could run a service with staff and equipment being stretched to the limit in the first place then none if the summer fiasco would have happened, none of the negative posts would have been written and they wouldn't be under such close scrutiny, not just by customers but also by airline authorities. Things must be bad if it gets to that stage.
Management have learned their lesson but at the expense of custom and a bloody nose. The bloody nose will heal but it will take something special to gain a lot of customers trust again.
Someone rightly pointed out that they are one of the only carriers running direct servcies to some locations from Scotland and pax do have the choice of travelling to London or Manchester etc to connect. In a number of cases the costs are significantly cheaper doing so but for the convenience, some will put up with a little disruption. The line of acceptance in todays world for poor service is growing ever thinner and GSM are finding out just how thin it is becoming.
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what are the plans for the 3 767's that GSM have? How long are the current two aircraft flying for Air India for? I heard that the third aircraft is going to Santa Barbara airlines in Venezuela? If so, how long for?
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And this week the BBC threw in its lot as well with the report on the Watchdog programme with crew interviews and claims...
Quoted on the Watchdog reports site:
'.......A pilot has told us he was offered an inducement to falsify flight records. This would’ve meant cabin crew flying into hours which are deemed unsafe by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). The working hours of flight crew are strictly controlled by regulation, for the safety of crew and passengers.
Two other cabin crew members have spoken to us, although they’ve asked to remain anonymous. One claims she was pressurised into flying even though she says she hadn’t had enough rest.
The CAA has also confirmed that on 30 October 2007 a Flyglobespan plane flew across the Atlantic Ocean to the US without all the appropriate safety equipment on board.....'
and there is some other info as an update to the feature about dissatisfied pax from ealier in the series.
Is this very damaging for the airline (& does every pax even see the stories...?) or will people still carry on until the licences are revoked and other options have to be taken.....?
Quoted on the Watchdog reports site:
'.......A pilot has told us he was offered an inducement to falsify flight records. This would’ve meant cabin crew flying into hours which are deemed unsafe by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). The working hours of flight crew are strictly controlled by regulation, for the safety of crew and passengers.
Two other cabin crew members have spoken to us, although they’ve asked to remain anonymous. One claims she was pressurised into flying even though she says she hadn’t had enough rest.
The CAA has also confirmed that on 30 October 2007 a Flyglobespan plane flew across the Atlantic Ocean to the US without all the appropriate safety equipment on board.....'
and there is some other info as an update to the feature about dissatisfied pax from ealier in the series.
Is this very damaging for the airline (& does every pax even see the stories...?) or will people still carry on until the licences are revoked and other options have to be taken.....?
