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Old 16th Aug 2009, 21:53
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As Mark Twain said - "Lies, damn lies and statistics". You can guess where MOL stands on this!!
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 11:24
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cancellations at pisa

"Operational integrity" is certainly what was given as the reason for cancelling a load of flights at Pisa recently, specifically by the check-in people at the airport to a load of irate Italians and other travellers. Thankfully I was on the last night flight back to EMA but was sitting next to some canadians who were supposed to fly into BOH that morning when Ryanair cancelled their flight because the runway was having emergency repairs. The Canadians seemed to think they'd been assured they'd get up to £250 compensation to cover their hotel near EMA and train down to Bournemouth but I seriously doubted it. On the website it says the usual stuff about all out of Ryanair control so can't imagine they'll get lucky. But in summer most people haven't paid £1 per flight, usually much more. Seems a bit off to cancel flights and offer nothing. Can anyone confirm what would have happened?
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:09
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Ryan Air stopping nine out of ten flights from Manchester from October.
I assume that the cheap start a route period has finished,and from another thread Manchester was not prepared to offer free or cheap airport fees.

Just my opinion, but I agree with Manchester on this, everybody else pays, so why should RA be exempt.

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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:10
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Manchester reductions

Bergamo, Bremen, Charleroi, Cagliari, Girona, Hahn, Marseille, Shannon and Weeze ceasing from 1st October.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:24
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From the BBC

BBC NEWS | Business | Ryanair closing Manchester routes


Ryanair is to switch or close nine of the 10 routes it currently operates from Manchester Airport, blaming the airport's refusal to lower its charges.
......Ryanair said it had offered Manchester an additional 28 weekly flights if the airport agreed to reduce its charges, but that it had rejected the offer.
Ryanair also said that if Esso would only charge them half the price it charges everyone else for fuel, then Ryanair would be able to increase flights, and it was only the oil company's intransigence that prevented this.

They further commented that Boeing ought to charge them half the price they charge everyone else for 737s.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:27
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So Ryanair moves capacity from Manchester to Leeds.... and Jet2 may end up moving capacity from Leeds to Manchester
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:36
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Ryanair move MAN flights to LBA, not really look at the flights being lost compared to the flights announced ex LBA. This is typical Ryanair, I fully expect a similar move in about a years time in the oppsite direction when the cheap start up fees end at LBA.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 13:55
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So does this mean increased frequency on LBA-GRO flights? should we expect yet more new routes from the LBA starting in October?
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 14:02
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Only if you take Ryanair press statements at face value.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 14:38
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Why anyone would take MOL's word for anything is beyond me!

It's time that everybody in the business just said NO to Ryanair! Thet just expect to fly into any airport for nothing, get cheap fuel, pay no handling charges, and then stitch up their self loading freight for every spare penny that they have!

So who makes any money at the end of the day? Nobody , except Ryanair! Boeing should take a leaf out of Airbus's book, and just say to MOL, "This is the price of our 737's, take it or leave it!"

Well done Manchester, you wont miss him, Cardiff hasn't!
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 14:54
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I think EZY and maybe even jet2 will be first to pounce on this announcement, take advantage and maybe take a couple of these routes on. but like people have said, i dont think they'll be missed at Manchester one bit.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 15:04
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Is fuel cheap at LBA?
And the cost of diversions due to weather would be an added cost. LBA has never been a cheap airport to operate from.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 15:10
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Ryanair had offered Manchester an additional 28 weekly flights and 400,000 new passengers which would have created 400 new jobs
Big deal - 1 based aircraft?

Manchester Airport refused to lower its charges to reflect the lower fares being paid by passengers
I hope the charges are much higher if and when FR attempt any return! I wish ryanair all the best in its race to the bottom.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 15:18
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Good on Manchester Airport for saying NO to them.
Id like to see more airports do the same.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 15:38
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Manchester today! Isn't it all a game of chess! Fast forward a few years and I shudder to imagine when the whole island of Ireland will be held to ransom. At least you guys cross channel have had the foresight to have built a tunnel !
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 16:01
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Good riddance to bad rubbish I say and well done to MAG to standing up to MOL's bullying and owt for nowt way of "running" his business - proper airlines that care about their customers will be the winners here as will an airport that understands low cost doesnt have to equal cheap n nasty practices.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 16:04
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airports need to make money. Fr will make big demands but put very little cash into an airport. overall the effect is bad as other airlines move out which used more of the airports staff. You get a spike when FR move in and then a decline in income. You cannot run a profitable airport if FR drive away the other airlines.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 16:35
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Great news! Ryanair should pay the same amount of money as everybody else! Bye bye Ryanair
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 16:44
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Well done Manchester.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 16:46
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I'm not so convinced. Think Manchester may have missed out on some potential money earners. I don't see any airline stimulating people to travel as much as Ryanair. I know a good few people who have said to me 'I'm going here, here and here 'cause it's costing me nothing.'....

The footfall will be Manchester airports loss and the inconvenience will be the peoples' disadvantage. Ryanair have a different business model to those of other airlines and that has to be taken into account when discussing their dealings with the airport authorities. Ryanair will incentivise their own operations by having x amount of pax pass through an airport....

And you can't only take airport charges as a stand alone issue. Look at the jobs, tourism and catering suppliers that gain in the process. Manchester's representatives need to take a leaf out of Leed's!
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