Ryanair - 6

[toledoashley]

They were routes in the system for rugby charters, as well as the Athens flights for Football Finals. The old routes from Stansted are also there like Clermont Ferrand and Vitoria, Luton - Fez etc

[Charlie Roy]

Northern France - Marseille

Before:
Brussels - Marseille (20xweekly with brussels airlines AVRO/B737)
Charleroi - Marseille (5xweekly with Ryanair B737NG)
Lille - Marseille (20xweekly with Air France FKR70)
Beauvais - Marseille (4xweekly with Ryanair B737NG)
Charles de Gaulle - Marseille (40xweekly with Air France A318/A319/A320/A321)
Orly - Marseille (110xweekly with Air France A318/A319/A320/A321)
Total 200 weekly flights

After:
Brussels - Marseille (20xweekly with brussels airlines AVRO/B737)
Charleroi - Marseille (5xweekly with Ryanair B737NG)
Lille - Marseille (20xweekly with Air France FKR70) +7xweekly Ryanair
Beauvais - Marseille (4xweekly with Ryanair B737NG) +3xweekly Ryanair
Charles de Gaulle - Marseille (40xweekly with Air France A318/A319/A320/A321)
Orly - Marseille (110xweekly with Air France A318/A319/A320/A321)
Total 210 weekly flights

These 10 extra flights from the let's-call-it "Northern France region" are not such a bad idea. Ryanair will reinforce their presence in the Northern France - Marseille market. The passengers will come from:

• Newly generated passengers who would never have thought of going to Marseille only they saw cheap flights on Ryanair or were influenced by reports of the the routes in media/press/marketing.
• Students/expats etc who now find they can return home more frequntly given the cheap fares of Ryanair.
• Current passengers who fly with the competition. Air France and brussels airlines charge absurdly extortionate prices on their Marseille routes.
• Train passengers. Lille to Marseille is a busy train route. Ryanair's tickets are likely to be cheaper than the train fares more often than not.

[DDNRN]

According to some Newspapers in Germany, FR is busy to increase domestic german flights!

Is there any information about that?

[Schorschi]

Some new routes...
BRE-GSE
BRE-TFS
BRE-FUE
BRE-RAK
PIK-TFS

[Based]

MRS Expansion

FR look to be having some expansion in MRS - Tangier/Agadir/Nadar have appeared in the Check-In section.

Yeap MRS to Lille, Tangier, Nador and Agador all now showing on the route map now too.

[VanBosh]

14 New Routes

Some fine tuning of the route network

Bremen - Fuerteventura, Gothenburg, Marrakesh, Tenerife
Bournmouth - Milan, Paris
Glasgow - Faro, Malaga, Tenerife
Marseille - Agadir, Brest, Lille, Nador, Tangier

Wonder what is cut to make way for this.

[airhumberside]

EDI-Bremen, launched as twice weekly has been increased to four times weekly. So while FR have had a number of flops at BRE there are some successes too

[pee]

miserable load factors
there are some successes

Okay.

The best load factors out of all destinations from Bremen (1/2008) had Tampere. No increases.
The best load factor out of all destinations from Hahn (1/2008) had Tampere. Decrease of flights coming.
One of the destinations with the best LF's on the entire network - Tampere. No new routes.
One of the destinations with the highest price levels on the entire network - Tampere. Total stagnation.

It's my silent comment concerning FR's route policy. Is there any logic in it?

[dbertman]

Have you ever been to Tampere and used the terminal that Ryanair use? (this isn't a criticism of FR by the way) but the 'low cost' terminal there is little more than a waiting room and a wooden desk for checkin, when I flew back there were two flights due to leave within 15 minutes of each other and the place could barely fit all the people in or process them all through the single security point. I think through sheer logisitics it is going to be very difficult for Ryanair to expand much from Tampere, unless they utilise the new terminal and leave the shed of a low-cost one behind.

[FR195W]

Sounds good for Bremen and Marseille.
But are there any news to be expected in the near future for Weeze ?

Greets, FR195W.

[virginblue]

It's my silent comment concerning FR's route policy. Is there any logic in it?

Yes. As long as Ryanair meets contractually agreed pax numbers, the load factor as such is really not that important. They do not earn money from a full plane, but money from a plane two thirds full whose passengers are spending more money on priority boarding, luggage, credit card fees, travel insurance, on-board sales. And, first and foremost, they earn money from airports providing services for (almost) free and from tourist authorities paying for an airline service ("marketing support"). So more flights from, say, Tampere are unattractive as long as a full plane there does generate less income than a plane 2/3 full elsewhere.

[eu01]

They do not earn money from a full plane, but money from a plane two thirds full whose passengers are spending more money on priority boarding, luggage, credit card fees, travel insurance, on-board sales. And, first and foremost, they earn money from airports providing services for (almost) free and from tourist authorities paying for an airline service ("marketing support")

I do not know much about the spending habits of Scandinavian people in comparison to Germans, Britons or Eastern Europeans, but the issue is very interesting. Namely, where the most important sources of Ryanair's income come from. Indeed, the mentioned Tampere authorities probably do not pay any marketing support (let's stick to this example). But isn't it pretty lucrative to have those Finnish guys for a holiday (drinking vodka and having fun) in other parts of Europe - why nobody wanted to expand this "marketing support" towards them? And if this "support" is so essential for Ryanair, why on Earth are they speeding the development of the domestic routes in many countries nowadays? Will the Lille authorities pay for having the guests from Marseille or vice versa? Somehow I doubt it.

[looot]

well...

i don't know where you got the information, but Bremen base is a success. Since the opening (april, 2007) almost 1 million passengers have flown with Ryanair. With 3 aircraft based there (one more is coming in autumn) and it's 24 routes it's a pretty good performing base. Not mentioning, that they have a maintenance hangar there. No chance to close it. But if you have reliable source or LF figures, you are welcome to show us ;-)

[daz211]

Stn-tfs/fue ?

Will Ryanair ever start STN-TFS/FUE ?
The above routes would be so busy and a LPA would'nt go a miss

[anna_list]

Bremen

[Caution: Usual caveat about loads and yields applies here]

German Stats are published monthly at destatis.de. According to these figures:

- In 2007 (the base opened in April), the average FR flown load factor to / from BRE was 64%.

- In January 2008 (the most recent stats available), the average FR flown load factor to / from BRE was about 48%.

In terms of load factor, BRE is without question one of FR's worst bases. However, it is also a relatively new base and one that where FR had no presence before starting the base. Make of that what you will.

[Stanstedeye]

There is a strong case for FR to start TFS / LPA, as TOM has closed its long-standing STN base, which has resulted in a large piece of cake to be had.

[looot]

ok

i was asking for the LF of Ryanair, not the whole airport. And picking up the weakest month in the whole year is also not very wise... So, i'm still waiting the LF from Bremen (with links or source please).

[en2r]

i was asking for the LF of Ryanair, not the whole airport.

Thats what the figures are for. 48% is pretty poor when you consider that that includes some of the longer running pre base routes

[Charlie Roy]

So, i'm still waiting the LF from Bremen

Just try to book any Bremen flight, any date, any route. I'm sure you'll see ultra cheap tickets on sale. Do the same exercise for Charleroi. You'll see that ticket prices at Bremen are a lot cheaper than their other bases. They can't fill the planes, so offer rock bottom prices in an effort to do so.
Dollars burning left right and centre.

[looot]

ok

Charlie Roy, i did. Just clicked to book BRE-ALC at random date:

going out: 25th July
coming back: 1st August

total: 260 euros!!! uhh, that hurts :-)



let's try one "weak link", BRE-RIX with the same dates: 85 euros

hmm, not really a 1p ticket.

So, either i picked up the most expensive tickets, or the routes are performing well enough.

Of course, i still waiting for some data, which shows that the base is performing terrible. Thanks.