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Don't FR operate to TFN not TFS? TFN is a fantastic airport if you are visiting the capital Santa Cruz or some of the lessor known north coast towns and resorts. Not so great if you are trying to get to the more popular south coast resorts. A good 90 minute to 2 hour bus journey or around 100 euros in a taxi. Perhaps not quite so appealling even if the fares are dirt cheap.
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Cheers for that! Obviously a bit behind the times. Makes more sense. The majority of visitors to Tenerife will be going to the south coast and the journey from north to south, even though it is mostly motorway, can be a long one!
With regards to Inter-Canary flights, Binter pretty much covers the demand for this. I would have thought that FR aircraft would be too large for flights of such a short sector. Binter does extremely well purely because it can offer frequent services on a daily basis because of the size of their aircraft. I think Binter also offer a frequent flier scheme which is popular with travellers who regularly visit neighbouring islands. I think the most obvious Inter-Canary route for FR if they were to consider such flights would be TFN-LPA purely because of the important links between the 2 largest cities in the Canaries. I doubt there would be huge demand for TFS-LPA, purely because TFS serves mainly holiday traffic and the south coast is purely made up of resorts rather than large towns or cities.
With regards to Inter-Canary flights, Binter pretty much covers the demand for this. I would have thought that FR aircraft would be too large for flights of such a short sector. Binter does extremely well purely because it can offer frequent services on a daily basis because of the size of their aircraft. I think Binter also offer a frequent flier scheme which is popular with travellers who regularly visit neighbouring islands. I think the most obvious Inter-Canary route for FR if they were to consider such flights would be TFN-LPA purely because of the important links between the 2 largest cities in the Canaries. I doubt there would be huge demand for TFS-LPA, purely because TFS serves mainly holiday traffic and the south coast is purely made up of resorts rather than large towns or cities.
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Don't FR operate to TFN not TFS? TFN is a fantastic airport if you are visiting the capital Santa Cruz or some of the lessor known north coast towns and resorts.
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Good question. It would be nice if at the very least we got Bergamo back. For some reason Ryanair don't even know where Newcastle is. With Jet 2 seemingly curtailing routes Ryanair could make a fortune on Tyneside.
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IT always amazes me that when a carrier pulls off a route someone immediately posts that another airline could make a fortune by operating the same route. Don't you think the previous airline would still be flying if it was a good idea in the first place? 
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There is a difference between LS and FR. FR will squeeze every penny out of the airports and also has a lagre base in BGY which saves on costs. It also has a more famous name and operates cheaper a/c.
This is just a comparison on this one route but there are alot where one airline can make money where another can't.
This is just a comparison on this one route but there are alot where one airline can make money where another can't.
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Makes little difference if the punters won't pay. FR also have many more seats to fill than J2. The problem with the marginal regional airports is that you can't get the required yields simply because the catchments aren't big enough. Eastern seem to have the right solution for the "marginals". 15-40 seater aircraft with high fares serving a niche market where the market appears to be relatively price inelastic. Any of the sun routes have enough choice already with very few exceptions. City routes from marginal regionals just don't have the mass appeal or the required yield to generate a profit.
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City routes from marginal regionals just don't have the mass appeal or the required yield to generate a profit.
Airports do not exist just to serve the bucket and spade routes and not everyone wants to or should have to traipse through London if they want to fly to the major cities in Europe.
My point with NCL-BGY was that it was reasonably profitable and as far as I understand it, was discontinued because they wanted the plane to fly to Manchester. Ryanair was raining on Easyjets parade when they acquired GB Airways.
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Has anyone heard anything about VXO-STN? NRN-VXO seems to have awful loads!
From a swedish newspaper 2007-06-14 10:52
" Det blir ytterligare en eller två rutter från Växjö inom de närmaste 12 månaderna, och vi går nog från fem upp till åtta flygplatser i Sverige under samma tidsperiod, säger Michael O´Leary."
Translated in to English!
Ryanair will start one or two routes from Växjö(VXO) within 12 months! And ryanair will serve 8(FR are serving 5 swedish airport, rigth now) airports in Sweden within 12 months!
From a swedish newspaper 2007-06-14 10:52
" Det blir ytterligare en eller två rutter från Växjö inom de närmaste 12 månaderna, och vi går nog från fem upp till åtta flygplatser i Sverige under samma tidsperiod, säger Michael O´Leary."
Translated in to English!
Ryanair will start one or two routes from Växjö(VXO) within 12 months! And ryanair will serve 8(FR are serving 5 swedish airport, rigth now) airports in Sweden within 12 months!
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@JadeGoody (citing the text dated 2007-06-14).
According to this, until July 2008 there should exist next 3 destinations in Sweden (and similarly... new route announcements from CRL/ TMP/ BTS/ whatever, new bases created in Latvia/ Poland/ Italy/ somewhere else). As you can see, it will not happen, not so fast. Either the demand has softened too much or the FR marketing based on low prices only is not enough or they put too much emphasis on the UK development or there has been some amount of pure rhetorics in these statements of MOL, I don't know. The route network should be revised anyway (do you remember my triangle-pattern theory?) to win more passengers - and it's perhaps wiser not to expand too eagerly before something is made to help the old network obtain a better shape (in terms of LF's and yields).
According to this, until July 2008 there should exist next 3 destinations in Sweden (and similarly... new route announcements from CRL/ TMP/ BTS/ whatever, new bases created in Latvia/ Poland/ Italy/ somewhere else). As you can see, it will not happen, not so fast. Either the demand has softened too much or the FR marketing based on low prices only is not enough or they put too much emphasis on the UK development or there has been some amount of pure rhetorics in these statements of MOL, I don't know. The route network should be revised anyway (do you remember my triangle-pattern theory?) to win more passengers - and it's perhaps wiser not to expand too eagerly before something is made to help the old network obtain a better shape (in terms of LF's and yields).
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The problem with the marginal regional airports is that you can't get the required yields simply because the catchments aren't big enough
Basically it was that it is relatively easy to generate a profit flying from somewhere(DUB,STN) to nowhere,as was the case in the early days of MOL's Ryanair,
Its when you start flying from nowhere to nowhere, that profitabilty gets trickier...Probably safer not to give an example for this one!
