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Leo, who is actually going to sue whom in that morass? All the quotations are taken from the today's press.
But later:
Personally I wouldn't agree to pay the same fees as in Termimal 1 for using harsh and cramped Tampere's Terminal 2. T1 has much better premises, T2 is... well... very basic, let's say. And why has it been so difficult to find 1 million euros for the TMP T2's enlargement (they still didn't grant the money) while simultaneously the same officials didn't hesitate to grant 134 millions of euros needed to enlarge HEL Vantaa's terminal for Finnair?
Ryanair said on Tuesday it would sue the European Commission for not taking action against governments which give aid to national flag carriers that the Irish budget airline believes is illegal.
Ryanair said it submitted complaints involving Air France , Lufthansa, Alitalia and Olympic Airways to the Commission over a year ago.
"These complaints involved hundreds of millions of euro in illegal state aids being granted by the French, German, Italian and Greek governments," Ryanair said in a statement.
"Although Ryanair has called on the Commission several times to investigate these claims, the Commission has failed to do so."
Ryanair said it submitted complaints involving Air France , Lufthansa, Alitalia and Olympic Airways to the Commission over a year ago.
"These complaints involved hundreds of millions of euro in illegal state aids being granted by the French, German, Italian and Greek governments," Ryanair said in a statement.
"Although Ryanair has called on the Commission several times to investigate these claims, the Commission has failed to do so."
EU regulators launched investigations Tuesday into government subsidies designed to attract airlines to small airports in Germany and Finland, singling out Ryanair Holdings PLC and easyJet for getting airport fees so low they may be illegal.
The European Commission opened separate investigations into Berlin Schoenefeld, Luebeck Blankensee and Dortmund airports in Germany and Tampere Pirkkala in Finland, saying it needed to check if low airport fees and favorable contracts might be a form of state aid that gives several airlines an unfair advantage over rivals.
If officials find the benefits cannot be justified by EU subsidy rules, the money would need to be repaid to the state.
EasyJet gets special treatment from Berlin Schoenefeld, the EU executive arm said, benefiting from an exclusive rental contract for one terminal that may be below fair market rates, while Ryanair pays airport charges at Luebeck, Berlin Schoenefeld and Tampere Pirkkala that are well below what other airlines face.
The European Commission opened separate investigations into Berlin Schoenefeld, Luebeck Blankensee and Dortmund airports in Germany and Tampere Pirkkala in Finland, saying it needed to check if low airport fees and favorable contracts might be a form of state aid that gives several airlines an unfair advantage over rivals.
If officials find the benefits cannot be justified by EU subsidy rules, the money would need to be repaid to the state.
EasyJet gets special treatment from Berlin Schoenefeld, the EU executive arm said, benefiting from an exclusive rental contract for one terminal that may be below fair market rates, while Ryanair pays airport charges at Luebeck, Berlin Schoenefeld and Tampere Pirkkala that are well below what other airlines face.
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Thanks, Finland IS very beautiful, but the summer is short here. Load factors? Look at HHN or even BRE, LF's are perfect! Give us some truely southern destinations (not LPL, not RIX) and you'll have load factors at 90% level all year round. Look what Finns are paying others for flights to Spain, Italy, France, FR didn't grasp an opportunity to create a single route of that kind. And it wouldn't be exceeding present flight distances at all.
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"Look what Finns are paying others for flights to Spain, Italy, France, FR didn't grasp an opportunity to create a single route of that kind."
Same may be said for the lack of imagination in the FR programme ex-Cork.
PIK fair enough maybe but for pity's sake LBA! That is if they happen at all.
Might be another Bremen.
Same may be said for the lack of imagination in the FR programme ex-Cork.
PIK fair enough maybe but for pity's sake LBA! That is if they happen at all.
Might be another Bremen.
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Thanks, Finland IS very beautiful, but the summer is short here. Load factors? Look at HHN or even BRE, LF's are perfect! Give us some truely southern destinations (not LPL, not RIX) and you'll have load factors at 90% level all year round. Look what Finns are paying others for flights to Spain, Italy, France, FR didn't grasp an opportunity to create a single route of that kind. And it wouldn't be exceeding present flight distances at all.
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They came very hastily and at short notice, too many destinations at once, too expensive tickets from the very beginning, lack of good marketing. And they retreated as fast as they came without even starting some of the destinations.
Remember, Finns are very slow to react (also Ryanair's TMP-NYO didn't succeed while FR was unknown at the moment). Finland is still the-least penetrated area by low-costs in all EU. That's why people here are so fascinated if the price of flight is lower than 200 euros. Read the excerpt from a travel forum today: Hei, did you hear about the great opportunity?EXTRA-OFFER of Finnair, selling this week only. From Helsinki to Milano for JUST 199 euros! Hurry up everybody!
Remember, Finns are very slow to react (also Ryanair's TMP-NYO didn't succeed while FR was unknown at the moment). Finland is still the-least penetrated area by low-costs in all EU. That's why people here are so fascinated if the price of flight is lower than 200 euros. Read the excerpt from a travel forum today: Hei, did you hear about the great opportunity?EXTRA-OFFER of Finnair, selling this week only. From Helsinki to Milano for JUST 199 euros! Hurry up everybody!
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Commenting today Ryanair's spokesman, Peter Sherrard said, "today's announcement proves that the European Commission has a biased approach to State Aid investigations. It continues to ignore billions of state aid to flag carrier airlines in the form of discounted domestic charges, exclusive use of terminal facilities and annual bail outs to Alitalia and Olympic Airlines, yet at the same time the Commission is wasting time and resources investigating the cost base of small secondary airports such as Lubeck and Tampere, which without Ryanair would have no traffic at all, or the main airports of secondary cities such as Berlin and Dortmund, which would have far smaller traffic numbers were it not for the services provided by Easyjet."
Nevertheless; Mr. Sherrard, are you sure about the "secondary city Berlin"? I know, you weren't allowed to create your own airport there, but I would never call Germany's capital city a secondary one. By the way, do you realize, with SXF you could start a new case concerning the anti-competitive regulations! As you know, the local authorities made all they could to cripple the development of any other airport in the region (Neuhardenberg or Finow, to mention just these). And the official motivation was: "It is truely in our interest not to allow any competition to BBI." (Mayor Klaus Wowereit). Wow, aren't they breaching the competition rules?
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Reports from Italy indicate that the Government will force RYR to move it's flights from Ciampino to Fiumicino starting from the winter 07 schedules.
Meanwhile, in Denmark, talks between RYR and Aalborg have failed due to a disagreement on charges - Aalborg wanted 200DKR per pax, Ryanair offered 20.
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Meanwhile, in Denmark, talks between RYR and Aalborg have failed due to a disagreement on charges - Aalborg wanted 200DKR per pax, Ryanair offered 20.
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PDF document on Ryanair's website showing the availability of its free tickets list Malta - Bari as a route.
Will be operated 3x week with an HHN based plane, like this: HHN-BRI-MLA-BRI-HHN
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Opodo to start offering Ryanair ???http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...cle2069116.ece
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Ryanair to restart Stansted to Clermont-Ferrand next summer 3 times a week according to this article (in French):
http://www.cyberbougnat.net/Londres-...es-d,1671.html
http://www.cyberbougnat.net/Londres-...es-d,1671.html
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Interesting, maybe they announce their Valencia base(that one is pretty much sure) tomorrow. One of the routes could be VLC-BRQ. I do not expect Brno to become a base this year.