EAST MIDLANDS - 5
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EAST MIDLANDS - 5
The EMA thread is all moving a bit spotter/enthusiast-ish again, not that your contribution isn't appreciated, but there is a dedicated forum for enthusiasts, this post would be better kept discussing the operational and commercial issues facing EMA by the staff who work there. Not wishing to be rude, but this seems to happen to the EMA thread more than the others, and if I want spotter discussions, there is a wonderful enthusiast community at EMA.
To answer your question dumdumbrain, I'm sure more photos will be uploaded when the forum member who does them has the time or if anything of real interest has been constructed. The pier is simply an extension of the departure lounge, and I'm sure there will be official photos and information when it is opened early next month. The UKIA aircraft are both painted up and are stored in Brunei awaiting confirmation of their AOC. The Parkway has been mulled for years, but there is always a new issue which pops up, the latest that Midland Mainline's franchise and responsibility ends this autumn. The new TOC will be responsible for the construction of a new station, but in the meantime EMA has invested a lot of money in improving bus transport links which do very well for serving staff and customers.
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To answer your question dumdumbrain, I'm sure more photos will be uploaded when the forum member who does them has the time or if anything of real interest has been constructed. The pier is simply an extension of the departure lounge, and I'm sure there will be official photos and information when it is opened early next month. The UKIA aircraft are both painted up and are stored in Brunei awaiting confirmation of their AOC. The Parkway has been mulled for years, but there is always a new issue which pops up, the latest that Midland Mainline's franchise and responsibility ends this autumn. The new TOC will be responsible for the construction of a new station, but in the meantime EMA has invested a lot of money in improving bus transport links which do very well for serving staff and customers.
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FR are to stop flights to Santiago and increase the Girona service from 7 to 10 flights per week.
I have to say that I am not surprised, February stats for Santiago where not encouraging and I dare say that the March figures where no better.
Does anyone have any more on the rumour that FR will be adding 2 additional units to EMA from this September with the chance of further units from next March?
In addition, the rumour that FR will be starting services 'over the pond' in the next few years may mean that EMA finally gets the transatlantic services it has longed for.
I have to say that I am not surprised, February stats for Santiago where not encouraging and I dare say that the March figures where no better.
Does anyone have any more on the rumour that FR will be adding 2 additional units to EMA from this September with the chance of further units from next March?
In addition, the rumour that FR will be starting services 'over the pond' in the next few years may mean that EMA finally gets the transatlantic services it has longed for.
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bmibaby,
I hope that my couple of posts haven't fallen into the category of "spotter talk", but it is true I'm not an employee of the airport, nor am I employed in the industry. I am, however a loyal user of the airport (and, most recently of your employers) for business and leisure travel alike.
Having always had an interest in the aviation industry I'm more than happy to pass on my honest views as a user of the airport's facilities in the hope that the information is of some use to those of you whose livelihood depends on the airport's success, indeed I posted some comments from a trip to AMS at the beginning of March.
If, however you'd prefer that non-employees didn't submit posts, then I will respect that and remain a read-only user of the thread.
I hope that my couple of posts haven't fallen into the category of "spotter talk", but it is true I'm not an employee of the airport, nor am I employed in the industry. I am, however a loyal user of the airport (and, most recently of your employers) for business and leisure travel alike.
Having always had an interest in the aviation industry I'm more than happy to pass on my honest views as a user of the airport's facilities in the hope that the information is of some use to those of you whose livelihood depends on the airport's success, indeed I posted some comments from a trip to AMS at the beginning of March.
If, however you'd prefer that non-employees didn't submit posts, then I will respect that and remain a read-only user of the thread.
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*Cargo* Is airside safe?
Cozzy I don't think it was aimed at you. I personally think everyone's input is good, as long it has something to do with the airport. After all the airport is only as good at its users and supporters. I personally work at the airport, im actually about to leave TNT to work for Ryanair. I think questions about when the UKIA aircraft is due is an important question, new airlines and routes.....
One of the issues we have at TNT is leaving our cans (ULDS) airside, we have been told by TNTs top managers and air ops we have to keep an eye on the cans we leave airside for an hour or so before the early morning flight is in from Liege. But the ramp lads seem to think that because its airside the cans should be safe and the ramp lads shouldn't have to stay with them. I know UPS now pay G4 to keep an eye on their cans. But why should TNT pay extra when airside should be safe to start with.
One of the issues we have at TNT is leaving our cans (ULDS) airside, we have been told by TNTs top managers and air ops we have to keep an eye on the cans we leave airside for an hour or so before the early morning flight is in from Liege. But the ramp lads seem to think that because its airside the cans should be safe and the ramp lads shouldn't have to stay with them. I know UPS now pay G4 to keep an eye on their cans. But why should TNT pay extra when airside should be safe to start with.
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cozzy, no offence was implied to any particular user, and obviously feedback from paying customers concerning the airport is always valid to improve the service that the combined companies onsite provide, however the post was moving highly in the direction of wishlists, based aircraft and other things which belong more in the viewing terrace than in a discussion about the operation of the airport which is what we as employees of tenant companies come to a site like PPRuNe to discuss, rather than other aviation forums.
As mentioned, Ibiza has already been reported and it should be an interesting route if memory serves me right from when we did it a few years ago. There's still a couple of gaps in the summer timetable, but I think everything we're going to see from bmibaby has been announced with 13 destinations.
It will be nice to come to the airport for the first time in a while without building works and scaffolding everywhere, I know it's all required for the beautifying of the terminal in time for a very busy summer, but I will not miss the dingy temporary corridors and temporary locations for things. EMA needs to strike the very difficult balance between being the international airport it has deservedly become, but also being a friendly local airport which is easy to use - not becoming too soulless.
As mentioned, Ibiza has already been reported and it should be an interesting route if memory serves me right from when we did it a few years ago. There's still a couple of gaps in the summer timetable, but I think everything we're going to see from bmibaby has been announced with 13 destinations.
It will be nice to come to the airport for the first time in a while without building works and scaffolding everywhere, I know it's all required for the beautifying of the terminal in time for a very busy summer, but I will not miss the dingy temporary corridors and temporary locations for things. EMA needs to strike the very difficult balance between being the international airport it has deservedly become, but also being a friendly local airport which is easy to use - not becoming too soulless.
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G4 made TNT late again
Just a little moan bout G4 making TNT dep late again to Belfast. It seems that G4 made TNT aircraft dep to Belfast late again this morning, by taking too long to open gates/search TNT staff/and a quick look in the cab.
It may seem nothing to those who don't work in cargo, but each time our aircraft leaves late we have to file it, and we get a call form head office in Liege demanding to know why the aircraft was late. As im sure your awear this adds extra pressure for the ramp lads to rush/drive too fast/and generally take less care.
We thought this problem had been sorted after last year when one of the ramp lads hit the aircraft with his hi-lo rushing, and grounded the aircraft.
G4 really need more staff! My problem isn't as such with G4 staff, most of them are really nice, and do a hard job for very little pay.
It may seem nothing to those who don't work in cargo, but each time our aircraft leaves late we have to file it, and we get a call form head office in Liege demanding to know why the aircraft was late. As im sure your awear this adds extra pressure for the ramp lads to rush/drive too fast/and generally take less care.
We thought this problem had been sorted after last year when one of the ramp lads hit the aircraft with his hi-lo rushing, and grounded the aircraft.
G4 really need more staff! My problem isn't as such with G4 staff, most of them are really nice, and do a hard job for very little pay.
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dumdum,
Security is something that ALL employees and pax have to deal with everyday. All the mailies, UPS aswell as TNT have to get cargo airside in order to do their jobs. Airlines have to get pax airside, now that's more tricky than tugging cargo believe me!
Yes it's a pain but it's there for a reason and like I said TNT is no exception, if security currently delays your aircraft then work around it, go and fetch the cargo earlier if you know it's going to take extra time to get it in. If you don't like it then nobody's forcing you to stay working airside. There's office jobs 9-5 that don't require security to get to.
Sorry but i've had enough of people moaning! (and no, I DON'T work for g4 or whoever they are)
Security is something that ALL employees and pax have to deal with everyday. All the mailies, UPS aswell as TNT have to get cargo airside in order to do their jobs. Airlines have to get pax airside, now that's more tricky than tugging cargo believe me!
Yes it's a pain but it's there for a reason and like I said TNT is no exception, if security currently delays your aircraft then work around it, go and fetch the cargo earlier if you know it's going to take extra time to get it in. If you don't like it then nobody's forcing you to stay working airside. There's office jobs 9-5 that don't require security to get to.
Sorry but i've had enough of people moaning! (and no, I DON'T work for g4 or whoever they are)
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I agree with FB543 - the guys n gals at G4 do a good job - implementing rules and procedures (usually from government depts) that are not always popular but necessary.(and a job thats very rarely given the credit people deserve for their return in pay) however there is always room for improvement.
Cozzy - personally I like your unbiased - tell it like it is posts- as all companies at EMA can learn from your pasenger experiences and remind airport employees where service can be improved - Please keep posting.
Ryan air expansion is on the cards, will be goood for all involved at EMA
regards bbb
50p a bag - sorry AP still doesn't sit well with me
Cozzy - personally I like your unbiased - tell it like it is posts- as all companies at EMA can learn from your pasenger experiences and remind airport employees where service can be improved - Please keep posting.
Ryan air expansion is on the cards, will be goood for all involved at EMA
regards bbb
50p a bag - sorry AP still doesn't sit well with me
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What on Earth are you on about flyboy, 'go and fetch the cargo earlier', I can tell neither of you actually work in cargo. The cargo for the morning flight is already airside parked up waiting for the aircraft to be unloaded. It's G4 taking too long and being unprofesional at times. I'd like to add when you move pax you have much longer to do it, when moving cargo we have a very very tight turnaround often only 50mins for an A300B4 203F. I would invite anyone of you who do not work in cargo to actually work with the lads one night and see how hard it actually is and see the problems that G4 can create. It isn't just TNT who have a problem, it is also UPS at times. 
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DumDum,
try moving 380 pax in 25 minutes!!! Thats what Servisair have to do for Ryanair. Bmibaby have to shift 288 in 30 as well. I've worked at DHL and so I can appreciate the effort taken to load freight aircraft... especially the A30B - I hate that uphill slog. But lets face it, you said the freight is 'already airside waiting for the aircraft to be unloaded', so surely the answer is to get yourselves airside 10 minutes earlier.
G4S do a good job, and surely if they rushed us employees through security you could question the integrity and quality of their role. Surely we want airside areas to be as safe and secure as possible?!
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try moving 380 pax in 25 minutes!!! Thats what Servisair have to do for Ryanair. Bmibaby have to shift 288 in 30 as well. I've worked at DHL and so I can appreciate the effort taken to load freight aircraft... especially the A30B - I hate that uphill slog. But lets face it, you said the freight is 'already airside waiting for the aircraft to be unloaded', so surely the answer is to get yourselves airside 10 minutes earlier.
G4S do a good job, and surely if they rushed us employees through security you could question the integrity and quality of their role. Surely we want airside areas to be as safe and secure as possible?!
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No I dont think you get me, the cargo that has been unloaded from the A300 has too be took to the hub, and the driver has to come back to airside. Its not a case of getting ourselfs out . We have to have to be out before the aircraft lads as we have our own ground lads.
DHL has have a different set up to TNT and UPS as you well know. One thing I would say it that the hold ups and late aircraft is making things hard for TNT when we have to pay the customer for being late.
And the move pax is totally different to cargo, your pax is already airside when the the ground handling agents take over.
Anyway it aint my job to fight TNTs fights for them, as far as I know our hub manager (Sally) has made a formal complaint to G4 and Penny. And having a meeting with G4 to see how we can sort the issue out. Many of the TNT lads feel that some of them are being picked on by G4.
DHL has have a different set up to TNT and UPS as you well know. One thing I would say it that the hold ups and late aircraft is making things hard for TNT when we have to pay the customer for being late.
And the move pax is totally different to cargo, your pax is already airside when the the ground handling agents take over.
Anyway it aint my job to fight TNTs fights for them, as far as I know our hub manager (Sally) has made a formal complaint to G4 and Penny. And having a meeting with G4 to see how we can sort the issue out. Many of the TNT lads feel that some of them are being picked on by G4.
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G4S do a very good job and there are some friendly faces amongst the teams.....
I do see however though that (non security staff) can be very rude to the security staff, especially concerning staff channel at times.... Granted it has got better than what it was with the queues but i remember a bmi pilot being very rude to one of them because they were taking time processing people through!
Unfortunately in the world we live in this process is a must and cannot be rushed, and as all avaition workers know, safety comes before punctuality!!!!
To the cargo workers, i know what you are getting at, i guess you are expecting them to be there awaiting your arrival to go through, no business (including G4S) will provide too many staff to satisfy your workers getting through promptly, you have to wait guys and expect it too take time! Of course, if you are aware of this happening each time perhaps go through earlier should you want to get an on time departure!!
Guess ive defended G4S enough for tonight, well i did marry an ex G4S worker so i feel it my duty!!
I do see however though that (non security staff) can be very rude to the security staff, especially concerning staff channel at times.... Granted it has got better than what it was with the queues but i remember a bmi pilot being very rude to one of them because they were taking time processing people through!
Unfortunately in the world we live in this process is a must and cannot be rushed, and as all avaition workers know, safety comes before punctuality!!!!
To the cargo workers, i know what you are getting at, i guess you are expecting them to be there awaiting your arrival to go through, no business (including G4S) will provide too many staff to satisfy your workers getting through promptly, you have to wait guys and expect it too take time! Of course, if you are aware of this happening each time perhaps go through earlier should you want to get an on time departure!!
Guess ive defended G4S enough for tonight, well i did marry an ex G4S worker so i feel it my duty!!
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Are you people not reading what im saying, we cant go airside sooner, the lads take the cargo in from the aircraft to the hub and back to airside. And yes im sorry i do expect them to open the gate asap.
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dumdumbrain - ''people ARE gettin what you are sayin'' and
glad to see you've untwisted your knickers now and moved on-
- bmi fc is correct - G4 I'm sure do not deliberately go out and cause any company a delay- unfortunatley delays will happen (in any company when staff resource is tight.) Maybe all sides need to review there procedures -
but lets not get into a pi$$in contest about whether its more difficult
to load 20+T of freight or turn round 300+ pax in 25mins.
Glad to see you stick-up for your company- but a lot of people also work hard for there lot too. (I also do not work for G4) Cheers
glad to see you've untwisted your knickers now and moved on-
- bmi fc is correct - G4 I'm sure do not deliberately go out and cause any company a delay- unfortunatley delays will happen (in any company when staff resource is tight.) Maybe all sides need to review there procedures -
but lets not get into a pi$$in contest about whether its more difficult
to load 20+T of freight or turn round 300+ pax in 25mins.
Glad to see you stick-up for your company- but a lot of people also work hard for there lot too. (I also do not work for G4) Cheers
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Im surprised at the moment that there are no services to Guernsey. What happened to the days when British Midland and then later Aurigny operated the route. Guernsey is crying out for this route again!
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I remember when Aurigny operated it will, I think if I'm correct a Saab 340.
I thought it was due to low/poor loads, but I may be wrong, because I always thought that the route was quite popular.
PLUS: I've sometimes wondered what ever happened to the Isle of Man route.
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I thought it was due to low/poor loads, but I may be wrong, because I always thought that the route was quite popular.
PLUS: I've sometimes wondered what ever happened to the Isle of Man route.
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IOM a few years ago was operated by EuroManx and GCI by Aurigny (ATRs and Saabs), unfortunately I'm far too young to remember if it was ever operated by British Midland or a predecessor. 
Both airlines went through a period of downsizing for financial reasons, and EMA was one of the routes which were considered ripe for the chop. Whilst bmibaby does well on the JER route, I believe GCI's runway and terminal isn't big enough to handle Boeing 737s, perhaps there is insignificant demand for IOM.
Both airlines went through a period of downsizing for financial reasons, and EMA was one of the routes which were considered ripe for the chop. Whilst bmibaby does well on the JER route, I believe GCI's runway and terminal isn't big enough to handle Boeing 737s, perhaps there is insignificant demand for IOM.
