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[webby1919]

GSMs average fleet are as follows:

B733s: 9 years
B736s: 9 years
B763s: 10 years
B7NGs: 1 year
B738s: 2 years
B752ER: 12 years

Average overall age: 7

[A320fan]

Thanks for that, as a matter of interest do you know how old are KLM F70&100 fleet

They average at exactly 15 years. Fokker 50's average at 16.5 years.

i was surprised at the baby figure looking at the paint work on some of them, perhaps whites not a good idea?

Yes, having flown many examples of bmibaby 737's you would not think that they are from the mid 90's!!

Of course at the end of the day a 20 year old 737-300 is just as good as a 5 year old 737-300 if its maintained well. Jet2 will not be removing the -300's for a long tiem yet, having signed a deal with CFM for the engines of their 737's and they are currently investing by 'plugging' the eyebrows of them so this is a guess that they will still be around for a while.

[wawkrk]

It seems the New York flights will just be filled with bags.

[Gertcha]

IT Contact at Jet 2

Hi,
Possibly not the correct forum, but I'll give it a go. I need to get in touch with someone at Jet 2 regarding their website on a professional basis for my company. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[Jet22]

Jet2's NYC service is going to be a busy one. I think that the following three outcomes are possible

1. The service will just be a complete failure(Not Likley)!!!
2. The service will be a sucess but due to lack of resources(not that there is) they cant continue and infact sell the route/slots to someone like CO who will operate the service 5-6 weekly code-sharing with LS!!!
3. The service will be a success and the service will be introduced by LS lets say 4 times a week!!!

[4567]

Its selling pretty well with the run up to christmas on a couple of dates but is there a demand for a year round service?

Will the route be flown non-etops?
Do LS plan any other long-haul routes?

[Centre cities]

New york

Or it is meant to be shopping trip series, is not meant to be anything other than that and never will be, sucess or not.

Centre cities

[airhumberside]

The service will be a sucess but due to lack of resources(not that there is) they cant continue and infact sell the route/slots to someone like CO who will operate the service 5-6 weekly code-sharing with LS!!!

There is nothing to sell. There is no route authority and as yet no slots at EWR

And why CO would be interested in codesharing with Jet 2 I have no idea when CO could make a LBA route work themselves. However with current fuel prices and cutbacks CO are not going to be intersted in LBA for a long while I would expect

[MUFC_fan]

And why CO would be interested in codesharing with Jet 2 I have no idea when CO could make a LBA route work themselves. However with current fuel prices and cutbacks CO are not going to be intersted in LBA for a long while I would expect

Exactly. They are not going to be intrested in the route with their own metal because of the crunch. Why not have a code-share? What is there to lose?

I think once we come out of this decline we may see some of the busier EWR routes (MAN, EDI etc.) introduce heavier aircraft which may free up some 757s. They may then look at places like NCL but I believe LS will have LBA sown up by then.

[Skipness One Echo]

Continental don't have the heavier aircraft available or on order to swap as you suggest and going head to head with Jet2 they would wipe the floor with them as they offer connections all over the US from Newark and Jet2 offer squat diddily.

This is all such a plane spotters wet dream ! Going into the biggest market downturn in living memory with oil at historical highs, who really thinks new borderline transatlantic services are the way forward? Not any of the majors that's for sure.

[OltonPete]

Aircraft Utilisation

Firstly I believe that according to the gospel of "St.anet", 29 CO 757's
cross the pond each day leaving the other 12 on domestic flying or maintenance. In other words plenty for a Leeds service if they wanted to operate it.

It was claimed that the new 739ER's would replace the remaining domestic 757's and new transatlantic routes were to be opened but something called oil changed those plans allegedly .

I think this topic has been visited a few times on here and aircraft ownership has always been given as the answer - it is in respect of
the low utilisation of Jet2's aircraft.

I checked acarsd for last Thursday and Leeds had 15 different Jet2
aircraft operating on 32 flights approx. These flights at a squeeze could have operated on 8 or more realistically 9 aircraft (slot permitting), as bmi baby do at BHX with their 8 aircraft (operating 27 flights per day approx).

Obviously the baby aircraft are leased and Jet2 owned and the latter can afford to have their aircraft sitting around for a few hours.

However is there a point when this is not viable? These flights on Thursday would have needed 30 crew and at some point all 15 aircraft would require checks compared to others using half the amount of crew and aircraft.

Does anyone know what crew to aircraft ratio is at Jet2? Will at some point Jet2 go down the route of regular 8 sector days for their aircraft
and 4 sector days every day for crew or is their business model sound enough to withstand this? Jet2 at Leeds seem to have enough short sector flying for 8 sector days on some of their aircraft.

Pete

[A320fan]

I checked acarsd for last Thursday and Leeds had 15 different Jet2 aircraft operating on 32 flights approx.

G-CELG (LBA-VCE-LBA, LBA-GVA-LBA, LBA-LBC-LBA)
G-CELS (LBA-BFS-LBA, LBA-FCO-LBA, LBA-ALC-LBA)
G-CELV (LBA-PMI-LBA, LBA-BCN,LBA)
G-CELC (LBA-AMS-LBA, LBA-PSA-LBA, LBA-CDG-LBA)
G-CELB (LBA-CDG-LBA, LBA-NCE-LBA, LBA-DUS-LBA)
G-CELD (LBA-KRK-LBA, LBA-JER-LBA, LBA-AMS-LBA)
G-CELE (LBA-VLC-LBA, LBA-AGP-LBA)
G-CELU (LBA-IBZ-LBA, LBA-BFS-LBA)

G-CELR operated out ot PRG and G-CELZ came back and then later positioned out to MAN. G-CELR also operated the EDI-LBA-AVN-LBA-EDI. G-CELY is one of the BFS based 737's that does BFS-LBA-BFS at lunchtime.

The 4 757's are:

G-LSAG (LBA-AGP-LBA, LBA-PMI-LBA)
G-LSAH (LBA-FAO-LBA)
G-LSAI (LBA-ALC-LBA, LBA-MJV-LBA)
G-LSAA (LBA-ACE-LBA)

In fairness, Thursday was not a good day to pick as there were several different 737's popping in compared to normal. Also, Jet2 is not at full operational capacity for summer yet, out of the 12 based airframes there are 2 additional weekly ALC's to add, another PMI, which will fill up the 757 schedule, and if like last year the 757's will often do a busy PSA, FCO or KRK, this then frees up a 737 for the weekly Verona Charter.

To me the 737 usage is fairly high, and a lot of routes will be 4 sector days for crew, for example LBA-KRK-LBA, LBA-JER-LBA. Jet2 also often sent a 737 into their part of the multiflight hangar for a spot of maintenance, they often position out say after a BFS to DUB or MAN to operate a charter than it comes back in time for the evening BFS. During summer no 737 will do less than a 6 sector day unless it is in for maintenance. Compare that to TOM 737-300's at DSA for example, they generally only operate a 4 sector day Globesapn at MME, 2 sector and 3 sector days. Also Jet2's 737 are not young! Flexibility is needed in every fleet and pushing those 737's any more will result in more maintenance issues and big delays if one goes tech.

[airhumberside]

Exactly. They are not going to be intrested in the route with their own metal because of the crunch. Why not have a code-share? What is there to lose?

I really cant see CO codesharing with Jet 2. A loyal CO flyer on business travel books a CO codeshare flight operated by Jet 2. The service level will be a lot lower than what they are used too and CO has just p***ed a high yielding traveller. Jet 2 service level are just not what CO's high yielding passengers expect. The two airlines, both good at what they do, just aren't compatiable

[OltonPete]

Utilization

A320fan

Thank you for your reply and information.

Nothing sinister in choosing Thursday, in fact I checked Friday 6/6/08
and if anything it was worse, 14 aircraft on 28 sectors. However you have to treat acarsd with a bit of caution as not all flights show and at least one was a "W" flight from another base.

Only four 733's are showing six sectors (LB, LD, LG & LV) and one the 757's just two sectors but it seems to work for Jet2 and as long as it works for them there is no problem, I was just curious.

Pete

[4567]

I see Jet2 have launched flights to Sharm el Sheikh from MAN & LBA.

Do Jet2 plan to aquire 767's?
If so what routes would they be used on?
I doubt they would take on GSM with Canada flights though i heard GSM plan when the 787's arrive that they plan to launch SFB from LGW or MAN or Both with LGW via MAN.

Maybe a Jet2/Flyglobespan codeshare agreemnet on some routesfrom MAN anyway!

[IB4138]

Baby's 737s are not a fair comparison, as they are all leased from parent bmi. However they are mostly of less vintage.

Jet2 need to get more realistic with their pricing when they are offering an inferior product. They are just not competing on more than their inferior checked baggage allowance these days.

My wife had to get to BLK from AGP last week, as her mother was unwell. Having checked the Jet2 prices for a AGP-BLK return flight, it was over €200 cheaper to fly to MAN and use the train to Blackpool North, on not just one, but three competing airlines, with better timings, including the trains. Their fares to/from MAN did not stand up either.

[14 loop]

Jet 2 vs the rest.....

....in the current climate, airlines (Jet2) need to charge the maximum possible without discouraging demand that would otherwise mean leakage to other operators/bases etc....simple. Do that and you'll be fine, however its a big ask!

[INKJET]

flyguy

They might "start" at around £40.00 each way, but you'll be lucky to get anything to anywhere from anywhere (not just Jet2) for £40.00 these days, by the time you;ve added lugagge fee's, CC fee's checkin fee's and (J2 case) fuel surcharge fee's it wont be £40.00

[stocky3]

Jet2 are expensive on there c/c charges , i just book some flights to tenerife and compard to the likes of monarch they are bl..dy dear. it does brass you off when they add another 6-7 pounds on top of your booking for a charge which may cost them a few pence .i hope they do well, but care not to rip off the passengers with the extra fees

[wawkrk]

I guess they will never go bust then if they are ripping off the passengers so must be making lots money. I think not.