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I heard that the reason for going to court was to do with the contract agreed with LPL meant they couldnt fly out of MAN. Obviously, they cant just cancel a contarct they have signed up to....hence the need for court.
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The only thing easyJet may have done wrong is to commit to 20 years exclusivity of out LPL (think that's the length of time). Had they realised that FR would hop into LPL in such a big way and that BA would barely be seen at MAN other than getting people to LHR/LGW then I would have thought that their LPL contract would have been negotiated for 10 years maximum.
Perhaps LPL and easyJet may come up with a compromise to allow them to start MAN ops with a proviso that the LPL routes would only duplicated at MAN after a 3 year timeframe or once a given passenger threshold has been exceeded (either in absolute numbers or load factor), whichever comes later.
Perhaps LPL and easyJet may come up with a compromise to allow them to start MAN ops with a proviso that the LPL routes would only duplicated at MAN after a 3 year timeframe or once a given passenger threshold has been exceeded (either in absolute numbers or load factor), whichever comes later.
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If it suits EZY to come to Manchester in terms of economics, re fees, slots etc then come they will.The Liverpool - Manchester situation in this regard is the same as Gatwick - Heathrow.
In the South East if given the option , airlines will always want Heathrow but if push comes to shove they opt for Gatwick as next best thing, then if really desperate Stansted.
In the North West same applies, Liverpool has no catchment area to the North West (Irish Sea) and not much to the West (Wales)...to the East its main catchment point includes it's biggest rival...its pax use it not because of loyalty because it is cheap.
If the same fares were available at Manchester they would come there instead, its simple supply and demand.
Unless the rates for landing at Liverpool are ridiculously low or free it is inevitable that they will end up at MAN if they get the option.
That then begs the question if you have 2/3 based aircraft and w sectors from other airports why not then move the whole operation over to MAN.
If there is a suggestion of court action clearly Liverpool/Peel must be aware of this as well ? Incidentally how can Liverpool become all pompous and demand this 50 miles exclusion ? They peeeed on Easyland by welcoming Ryanair 2 years back....what goes round comes round !
P.S. .....anybody know what the fees for landing at Liverpool actually are ?
In the South East if given the option , airlines will always want Heathrow but if push comes to shove they opt for Gatwick as next best thing, then if really desperate Stansted.
In the North West same applies, Liverpool has no catchment area to the North West (Irish Sea) and not much to the West (Wales)...to the East its main catchment point includes it's biggest rival...its pax use it not because of loyalty because it is cheap.
If the same fares were available at Manchester they would come there instead, its simple supply and demand.
Unless the rates for landing at Liverpool are ridiculously low or free it is inevitable that they will end up at MAN if they get the option.
That then begs the question if you have 2/3 based aircraft and w sectors from other airports why not then move the whole operation over to MAN.
If there is a suggestion of court action clearly Liverpool/Peel must be aware of this as well ? Incidentally how can Liverpool become all pompous and demand this 50 miles exclusion ? They peeeed on Easyland by welcoming Ryanair 2 years back....what goes round comes round !
P.S. .....anybody know what the fees for landing at Liverpool actually are ?
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Totally agree!
There is no way an airline would get tied up with a 20 year contract at one airport with aviation subjected to so many world events. It would be commercial suicide.
There is no way an airline would get tied up with a 20 year contract at one airport with aviation subjected to so many world events. It would be commercial suicide.
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Reviewing the previous posts about the Easyjet
non-situation - it seems that people are desperate
to fill Manchester tarmac at the expense maybe
of Liverpools.I am sure if their is a commercial
advantage for Easyjet to establish at MAN they
will do............being a supporter of both airports
and being neither scouse or mancs I continue to chill!!
MM
non-situation - it seems that people are desperate
to fill Manchester tarmac at the expense maybe
of Liverpools.I am sure if their is a commercial
advantage for Easyjet to establish at MAN they
will do............being a supporter of both airports
and being neither scouse or mancs I continue to chill!!
MM
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In the North West same applies, Liverpool has no catchment area to the North West (Irish Sea) and not much to the West (Wales)...
Repeat after me....Wales is SOUTH of the Wirral, which is NOT to the West of Liverpool.....
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Mahan to restart MAN?
Noticed a rumour on another site that suggests Mahan Air are about to restart their MAN flights. Is the ban about to be lifted?
First I've heard of this, anybody heard anymore information on this?
First I've heard of this, anybody heard anymore information on this?
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Dribble is it?
I was making a very valid point that Easy would not be so idiotic as to tie themselves into a longterm contract with Liverpool or any other airport that prevents them opening another base within a reasonable proximity.
That is commercial suicide.
Whether Easy have a base at Liverpool only or here as well makes no real odds to me i dont fly with them but i think its fair to say that a Manchester operation would add even more to the £150 million you talk of.
I was making a very valid point that Easy would not be so idiotic as to tie themselves into a longterm contract with Liverpool or any other airport that prevents them opening another base within a reasonable proximity.
That is commercial suicide.
Whether Easy have a base at Liverpool only or here as well makes no real odds to me i dont fly with them but i think its fair to say that a Manchester operation would add even more to the £150 million you talk of.
If Liverpool and easyJet have entered into such a contract, I would imagine both parties would be fervently hoping that it will not get anywhere near a court of law. I suspect that certainly Liverpool would be held as having acted in contravention of competition law, in that their actions could have jeopardised the choice of air routes available to consumers in the north-west region.
There would be a number of issues to investigate, not least the interaction between MAN and LPL airports to serve catchment areas which are distinct and which overlap. However, the court case would be hilarious. From a position of little knowledge of this, any action by Liverpool to try to enforce the terms of such an agreement (if it exists) would be laughed out of court as having been illegal in the first instance.
Should be a good laugh if it gets that far though. One wonders whether easyJet's not-insignificant slot application for Manchester in Summer 2008 is a means of testing Liverpool's resilience and willingness to enforce whatever agreement might be in place.
There would be a number of issues to investigate, not least the interaction between MAN and LPL airports to serve catchment areas which are distinct and which overlap. However, the court case would be hilarious. From a position of little knowledge of this, any action by Liverpool to try to enforce the terms of such an agreement (if it exists) would be laughed out of court as having been illegal in the first instance.
Should be a good laugh if it gets that far though. One wonders whether easyJet's not-insignificant slot application for Manchester in Summer 2008 is a means of testing Liverpool's resilience and willingness to enforce whatever agreement might be in place.
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I'm glad that you don't navigate Rally cars for a living, bagso
Repeat after me....Wales is SOUTH of the Wirral, which is NOT to the West of Liverpool.....
watp,iktch
oh chiglet do please put your reading glasses on and keep up.
I said North Wales thats right NORTH WALES........!!!!
Clearly Wales as a whole is not within Liverpools catchment.
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....(By the way when you check a map you have to incorporate line of latitude , its basic geography really !
Llandudno is Lat: 53N
Bangor is Lat 53N
and stunningly....yes Liverpool is also Lat: 53N
.. so if you draw a horizontal line and the move your finger along to the West..... guess what Colwyn Bay, Llandudno, Bangor etc !
....are they in North Wales..? hmmmm.... c'mon c'mon I know its is a strain...thinking cap on !
Interestingly The Wirral which you made reference to is actually 3W, which if you also draw a line due South barely takes in any of Wales on a line of longtitude.
Anyway I digress can we get back to the main topic now please...ta ?
Repeat after me....Wales is SOUTH of the Wirral, which is NOT to the West of Liverpool.....
watp,iktch
oh chiglet do please put your reading glasses on and keep up.
I said North Wales thats right NORTH WALES........!!!!
Clearly Wales as a whole is not within Liverpools catchment.
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....(By the way when you check a map you have to incorporate line of latitude , its basic geography really !
Llandudno is Lat: 53N
Bangor is Lat 53N
and stunningly....yes Liverpool is also Lat: 53N
.. so if you draw a horizontal line and the move your finger along to the West..... guess what Colwyn Bay, Llandudno, Bangor etc !
....are they in North Wales..? hmmmm.... c'mon c'mon I know its is a strain...thinking cap on !
Interestingly The Wirral which you made reference to is actually 3W, which if you also draw a line due South barely takes in any of Wales on a line of longtitude.
Anyway I digress can we get back to the main topic now please...ta ?
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Could somebody tell me were this rumour has come from that Ringway Handling are going bust.
Seems strange to me when the company is owned by Manchester Airport itself. So how have we arrived to the position that its going under.......
Seems strange to me when the company is owned by Manchester Airport itself. So how have we arrived to the position that its going under.......
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No, you said Wales.....
But, apart from the Lattitude which is rather irrelevent..Talacre and Prestatyn are not part of a Major Catchment area
To get to Liverpool from Wales, you have got the dreaded Sealand Traffic Lights.
You now have a 3 choices
1, Go Left, then fight your way along the M53, Mersey Tunnel, and then to the Airport.
2, Leave the M56 at the Weaver Bridge, and enjoy the Runcorn Road Works
3, Carry on the M56 to Manchester
watp,iktch
oh chiglet do please put your reading glasses on and keep up.
I said North Wales thats right NORTH WALES........!!!!
I said North Wales thats right NORTH WALES........!!!!
In the North West same applies, Liverpool has no catchment area to the North West (Irish Sea) and not much to the West (Wales)...to the East its main catchment point includes it's biggest rival...its pax use it not because of loyalty because it is cheap
But, apart from the Lattitude which is rather irrelevent..Talacre and Prestatyn are not part of a Major Catchment area
To get to Liverpool from Wales, you have got the dreaded Sealand Traffic Lights.
You now have a 3 choices
1, Go Left, then fight your way along the M53, Mersey Tunnel, and then to the Airport.
2, Leave the M56 at the Weaver Bridge, and enjoy the Runcorn Road Works
3, Carry on the M56 to Manchester
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Could somebody tell me were this rumour has come from that Ringway Handling are going bust.
Seems strange to me when the company is owned by Manchester Airport itself. So how have we arrived to the position that its going under.......
Seems strange to me when the company is owned by Manchester Airport itself. So how have we arrived to the position that its going under.......
All conjecture of course, but they main points seem to be that it has become unprofitable/unproductive and the Airport is looking to get rid of it.