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Re EASY
..surely talk of any expansion has to be against the backdrop of a general downturn in economic activity.
How on earth can we expect any major expansion when basic operating costs have doubled and customers are travelling less ?
..surely talk of any expansion has to be against the backdrop of a general downturn in economic activity.
How on earth can we expect any major expansion when basic operating costs have doubled and customers are travelling less ?
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However from reading various posts nothing at least on the conversion front would appear to be happening.
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thomas cook at man
Servisair to get Thomas Cook
this has been on the cards for a while. We have just employed around 50 new staff. i was talking to a fueler yesterday and hes flying with thomascook in november from T2!hopefully these rumors will be true.....
How will T2 accomodate this operation?? surley make more sense to stay on T1 if going to servisair or not.
this has been on the cards for a while. We have just employed around 50 new staff. i was talking to a fueler yesterday and hes flying with thomascook in november from T2!hopefully these rumors will be true.....
How will T2 accomodate this operation?? surley make more sense to stay on T1 if going to servisair or not.
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How will T2 accomodate this operation?? surley make more sense to stay on T1 if going to servisair or not.
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Considering that all the long haul scheds are currently at T2 are you sure that's the plan? T1 isn't big enough to deal with all the morning heavies.
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In the past MAPLC mgmt have always said that separating charter/sched etc. across each terminal wouldn't work due to the effect of the peaks and troughs, and that there had to be a mix in each terminal to spread the pax flows out across the day.
I expect they are now following the retailers' views that if terminals are dedicated to certain types, they can tune the retail offers better, to maximise revenue.
I think the retailers are right, but it will make the operation harder and peakier.
So, what's forced the change of heart, and I ask if mgmt even know what they're doing, or are they just clutching at a different straw to see if it'll work better than what they're doing now? In the meantime, more wasted capital writing off the last failure, and more disruption to customers while everything's changed.
I expect they are now following the retailers' views that if terminals are dedicated to certain types, they can tune the retail offers better, to maximise revenue.
I think the retailers are right, but it will make the operation harder and peakier.
So, what's forced the change of heart, and I ask if mgmt even know what they're doing, or are they just clutching at a different straw to see if it'll work better than what they're doing now? In the meantime, more wasted capital writing off the last failure, and more disruption to customers while everything's changed.
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heres the 5 year plan;
T1 - All schedules
T2 - All Charter
T3 - Low cost
thats the basics of it, that comes from the apron control manager.
I understand that its going to take time and alot of effort to see it through, but the result would mean a very efficient airport.....
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T1 - All schedules
T2 - All Charter
T3 - Low cost
thats the basics of it, that comes from the apron control manager.
I understand that its going to take time and alot of effort to see it through, but the result would mean a very efficient airport.....
G-STAW
I never, ever thought it but ..........
Working and flying since 1972 at Manchester I have just had the easiest arrival ever, ZB661 ex AGP yesterday evening arrival 2210.
I think you will agree the prognosis apparently not good. Apart from the Stand 10 obstacle course, superb. Bypass immigration with Iris, naturally, then to baggage hall expecting the usual interminable wait, but no ! get trolley and bags coming through !
Stroll to Staff West and home, all within 45 mins. Congratulations to all involved.
I think you will agree the prognosis apparently not good. Apart from the Stand 10 obstacle course, superb. Bypass immigration with Iris, naturally, then to baggage hall expecting the usual interminable wait, but no ! get trolley and bags coming through !
Stroll to Staff West and home, all within 45 mins. Congratulations to all involved.
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MAN/Peel talks?
Just back from the UK where I heard a rumour that Peel Airports and Manchester Airport are in some high level (secret) talks over something big. My source said it could be either the building of a high speed link between MAN and LPL, along the land owned by Peel and/or a takeover of one group by the other?
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Hi-speed link - would EGGP become MAN Terminal 4 and 09/27 become runway 3?
MAPLC takover Peel - Why on earth would would they want the Trafford center? Or see above and replace 'EGGP' with 'EGCB' .
Peel takeover MAPLC - very likely! but would that mean Peel would own EMA too ?
Seriously the hi-speed link could be a viable concept as 80-90% of the route could use existing and disused railway track beds. if you follow the line from the station at MAN north it crosses another line, follow that one west, part way it becomes an old disused line just before Carrington. it then crosses the Manchester ship canal and joins the Liverpool to Manchester line the thru Warrington. Then it could branch off before the Ford plant at Halewood to LPL. Alternately as Peel own the Manchester ship canal and plenty of land around it, when it crosses the ship canal follow the ship canal along the North bank where the ship canal company used to have a service line (bit tricky though as some bits of that line now have houses and roads built on) to Runcorn an then join the line over the Mersey then branch off at Fords etc etc.
Seems quite an good idea that could help to expand LPL and MAN jointly.
MAPLC takover Peel - Why on earth would would they want the Trafford center? Or see above and replace 'EGGP' with 'EGCB' .
Peel takeover MAPLC - very likely! but would that mean Peel would own EMA too ?
Seriously the hi-speed link could be a viable concept as 80-90% of the route could use existing and disused railway track beds. if you follow the line from the station at MAN north it crosses another line, follow that one west, part way it becomes an old disused line just before Carrington. it then crosses the Manchester ship canal and joins the Liverpool to Manchester line the thru Warrington. Then it could branch off before the Ford plant at Halewood to LPL. Alternately as Peel own the Manchester ship canal and plenty of land around it, when it crosses the ship canal follow the ship canal along the North bank where the ship canal company used to have a service line (bit tricky though as some bits of that line now have houses and roads built on) to Runcorn an then join the line over the Mersey then branch off at Fords etc etc.
Seems quite an good idea that could help to expand LPL and MAN jointly.
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Then it could branch off before the Ford plant at Halewood to LPL
That said, sounds like an easy idea to implement - but what would the advantages be of having two airports linked by high speed rail.... I am lost on that one??
Might improve the connectivity of both from the main cities / lines they serve I suppose??
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Man -lpl
Peel to buy MAPLC - The Competition Commission would be interested. (MAN - LPL, DFA - EMA)
MAPLC to buy Peel Airports - The Competition Commission would be interested. (MAN - LPL, DFA-EMA)
A Rail Link to connect the two airports. It would have to be fast and direct with a jouney time of 15 mins. Major engineering issues, and tunnel under MAN apron, cross Green Belt to hit any unused or freight lines. It can't use the existing line because there is no capacity on the Main Line on any sector up towards Piccadilly. Cost of a new line £750m - £1bn. Commercially this will never happen.
For the North West, it makes sense to have one internationally successful airport, with a strong catchment. That is at MAN. Peel Airports have never made any money from air traffic (only land deals) so why would anyone invest in such a crazy adventure?
MAPLC to buy Peel Airports - The Competition Commission would be interested. (MAN - LPL, DFA-EMA)
A Rail Link to connect the two airports. It would have to be fast and direct with a jouney time of 15 mins. Major engineering issues, and tunnel under MAN apron, cross Green Belt to hit any unused or freight lines. It can't use the existing line because there is no capacity on the Main Line on any sector up towards Piccadilly. Cost of a new line £750m - £1bn. Commercially this will never happen.
For the North West, it makes sense to have one internationally successful airport, with a strong catchment. That is at MAN. Peel Airports have never made any money from air traffic (only land deals) so why would anyone invest in such a crazy adventure?
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A380 at MAN?????
A380 to Manchester ! there have been several rumours since its first flight as to when it might grace Manchesters tarmac, well the latest rumour is the 7th August, routing LHR - MAN - Singapore, due to park on stand 62, we shall wait and see !
I just came across this
I just came across this
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LPL actually made a profit this year.
LPL desperately needs a runway extension to take some bigger or fully fueled aircraft. We all know how useless the 2nd runway is at MAN during peak times as you can't use both at the same time. Linking both would be an excellent idea and could even begin to genuinely rival LHR/LGW perhaps. Not sure on the finances involved but PEEL are currently reworking the road infrastructure into LPL. Perhaps this is phase 1 with more to come?
LPL desperately needs a runway extension to take some bigger or fully fueled aircraft. We all know how useless the 2nd runway is at MAN during peak times as you can't use both at the same time. Linking both would be an excellent idea and could even begin to genuinely rival LHR/LGW perhaps. Not sure on the finances involved but PEEL are currently reworking the road infrastructure into LPL. Perhaps this is phase 1 with more to come?
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Singapore Airlines website states that A380's are being used on Beijing (Olympic) route at that time, and that some routes (LHR, Tokyo & Sydney) may revert to 747's or whatever was the previous type used on the route.
I will be pleased to see the A380 at MAN, but can SQ afford to send one during the run up to the Games?
Hopefully I am wrong!
I will be pleased to see the A380 at MAN, but can SQ afford to send one during the run up to the Games?
Hopefully I am wrong!
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DLH MAN-JFK...wow ! Fingers Crossed.
Can you imagine Heathrow Airways reaction should this happen !...and just wait till another few more Blue & Yellow 330's arrive serve other destinations and create a Northern UK hub in direct competition to BA
Mind you, BA wil probably just open up in Dussledorf etc in retaliation !
Can you imagine Heathrow Airways reaction should this happen !...and just wait till another few more Blue & Yellow 330's arrive serve other destinations and create a Northern UK hub in direct competition to BA
Mind you, BA wil probably just open up in Dussledorf etc in retaliation !