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Runway 2 at MAN is hardly 'useless'. The two runways are used simultaneously, but in segregated mode. The current declared capacity is 61 movements an hour and with additions to the taxiway system and an additional crossing point will take this to 70+ movements an hour.
Both runways are 3,000m in length and an available starter extension on 23L.
Linking MAN and LPL is a non-starter as a single complex. Providing improved rail access from Merseyside to Greater Manchester, and then to the Airport would be a much better option. There's £3bn of Transport Innovation Fund money on offer from the Government. But this depends on a Congestion Charge, and this is another subject for discussion ....
Both runways are 3,000m in length and an available starter extension on 23L.
Linking MAN and LPL is a non-starter as a single complex. Providing improved rail access from Merseyside to Greater Manchester, and then to the Airport would be a much better option. There's £3bn of Transport Innovation Fund money on offer from the Government. But this depends on a Congestion Charge, and this is another subject for discussion ....
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With the competition comission deciding on BAAs monopoly position in the next few months, maybe they could be planning a joint bid for LGW (and/or any other BAA airports that are required to be sold - maybe GLA and/or EDI).
I can't help thinking that the LH rumour has it's roots in the forthcoming BMI deal. Think about the marketing problems of LH aircraft and crews operating from MAN. Cue childish mutterings of "don't mention the war" etc etc. Too Germanic maybe? But use good old BMI (with a subtle update) and LH codeshare flight numbers and this could be their vehicle for Offene Himmel
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I'd say nef has the nail on the head 
MAPlc group has long wanted to look at itself as being the "expert" at providing airport management.
(I'm not claming they are ... just that it's long been their objective
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It's consistently provided returns for it's shareholders.
To take full advantage of any break up of BAA will need more investment than MAPlc group are likely to be able to raise alone.
So wouldn't Peel Holdings fit the bill for an ideal partner .....?
They provide the bulk of the funds, MAPlc provide the "expertise" and they agree on how to split the spoils.....
MAPlc group has long wanted to look at itself as being the "expert" at providing airport management.
(I'm not claming they are ... just that it's long been their objective
)It's consistently provided returns for it's shareholders.
To take full advantage of any break up of BAA will need more investment than MAPlc group are likely to be able to raise alone.
So wouldn't Peel Holdings fit the bill for an ideal partner .....?
They provide the bulk of the funds, MAPlc provide the "expertise" and they agree on how to split the spoils.....
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Yes and KLM flew to New York from Prestwick but come on !!! Who really believes Lufthansa are going to build long haul routes from MAN when they don't even do it from Dusseldorf? If there's any truth in this "some pilot I know said" it'll be a BMI codeshare at most.
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Hasn't LH just started long-haul services from Dusseldorf with a few A343s...
Maybe LH will buy BD and transfer a few A330s over for expansion. I can't see LH operating though.
Maybe LH will buy BD and transfer a few A330s over for expansion. I can't see LH operating though.
Would that not only create in the north, what they are trying to break up in the south though?
Could this not be more likely what its all about?
Could this not be more likely what its all about?
Liverpool Airport has joined with other airports in the North of England to push the Government to rethink plans to hit the airline sector for £500m in extra taxes. Neil Pakey, the airport’s managing director, says Air Passenger Duty (APD) is already making it hard for UK regional airports like Liverpool to win new routes by adding to the cost of tickets.
Economy passengers pay £10 APD on low-cost flights to European destinations and £40 for long-haul flights after taxes doubled last year. However, the Government plans to replace APD, currently paid by individual passengers, with a new tax on planes from next November. The Government says that it expects to earn another £500m in taxes as a result.
Mr Pakey says airlines cut back on routes from the North as a result of the tax rise as Northern airports are more sensitive to higher costs. In April British Airways said it was ending its Manchester to New York route after 40 years, a move Mr Pakey says was down in part to increasing APD. He said: ‘BA pulling out of Manchester - New York after 40 years was a water-shed.'
Mr Pakey says UK taxes on aviation already make UK airports less attractive compared to the continent. He says Liverpool Airport and other hubs want to make clear to Government that any further tax rises will make the UK even less competitive. The airport plans to work with Manchester, Blackpool, Newcastle airports as well as sister airports Robin Hood Airport and Durham Tees Valley to campaign against the tax change.
Economy passengers pay £10 APD on low-cost flights to European destinations and £40 for long-haul flights after taxes doubled last year. However, the Government plans to replace APD, currently paid by individual passengers, with a new tax on planes from next November. The Government says that it expects to earn another £500m in taxes as a result.
Mr Pakey says airlines cut back on routes from the North as a result of the tax rise as Northern airports are more sensitive to higher costs. In April British Airways said it was ending its Manchester to New York route after 40 years, a move Mr Pakey says was down in part to increasing APD. He said: ‘BA pulling out of Manchester - New York after 40 years was a water-shed.'
Mr Pakey says UK taxes on aviation already make UK airports less attractive compared to the continent. He says Liverpool Airport and other hubs want to make clear to Government that any further tax rises will make the UK even less competitive. The airport plans to work with Manchester, Blackpool, Newcastle airports as well as sister airports Robin Hood Airport and Durham Tees Valley to campaign against the tax change.
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2 or 3 years ago LH stated that 10% of their MAN pax flew long-haul business class. But I would imagine any potential long-haul from them would be more towards Asia, and not over the pond.
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Hi oliww
Where did you read that?
Id heard they were looking into 2xweekly cargo flights, but not pax flights.
The only pax taipei flights were being mulled over by china airlines 3 years back, as they havent got the rights to serve LHR, but that was dropped in favour of keeping their 747 freighter run.
Where did you read that?
Id heard they were looking into 2xweekly cargo flights, but not pax flights.
The only pax taipei flights were being mulled over by china airlines 3 years back, as they havent got the rights to serve LHR, but that was dropped in favour of keeping their 747 freighter run.
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Evita is on at the Opera House. That's the closest we'll get to an "Eva"! 
Already suffered Great Wall and Jett8 withdrawals and cut backs on the other Far East cargo services. Also, Jade keeps promising to turn up every month and has stood us up every time.
A predictable downturn in business (although some people suggest Chinese downturn only while authorities try to clean the air for the Olympics by shutting heavy industry down - drastic measure!)
Already suffered Great Wall and Jett8 withdrawals and cut backs on the other Far East cargo services. Also, Jade keeps promising to turn up every month and has stood us up every time.
A predictable downturn in business (although some people suggest Chinese downturn only while authorities try to clean the air for the Olympics by shutting heavy industry down - drastic measure!)