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The last time I checked the BHX schedule had several gaps but
none for a daily flight at the same time. About a four hour gap was the largest so I doubt any "W's" unless any flights are re-timed.
I will take a look a bit later if I have time.
Pete
The last time I checked the BHX schedule had several gaps but
none for a daily flight at the same time. About a four hour gap was the largest so I doubt any "W's" unless any flights are re-timed.
I will take a look a bit later if I have time.
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Just checked one week at the end of June and a much tighter schedule
now with the only gaps 14.10-20.00 Mo, Thu & Fri plus possibly Wed 20.30 onwards (BHX - BFS departs 21.00 Mo-FR). Not checked the
weekend.
Mon
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) PGF NQY BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) NOC JER XXX ORK
Tue
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) LIS BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) JER NOC NQY ORK
Wed
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) JER NOC BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY ORK ???
Thur
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) NOC JER XXX ORK
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY BFS BFS
Fri
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) NOC JER XXX ORK
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY BFS BFS
Hopefully at least one more route and quite a spacing for Madrid
or Poland.
BHX gaps are a mess 1525-2015 Mon, Tue 1050-1445, Thu 1525 onwards
and Fri 1050-1445 & 1840 onwards. Hardly a gap in the weekend schedule
Pete
now with the only gaps 14.10-20.00 Mo, Thu & Fri plus possibly Wed 20.30 onwards (BHX - BFS departs 21.00 Mo-FR). Not checked the
weekend.
Mon
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) PGF NQY BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) NOC JER XXX ORK
Tue
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) LIS BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) JER NOC NQY ORK
Wed
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) JER NOC BFS BFS
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY ORK ???
Thur
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) NOC JER XXX ORK
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY BFS BFS
Fri
1) BFS AGP ALC 2) NOC JER XXX ORK
3) PMI BOD PRG 4) PGF NQY BFS BFS
Hopefully at least one more route and quite a spacing for Madrid
or Poland.
BHX gaps are a mess 1525-2015 Mon, Tue 1050-1445, Thu 1525 onwards
and Fri 1050-1445 & 1840 onwards. Hardly a gap in the weekend schedule
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Sorry for the confusion - they are for Manchester (4 based aircraft).
The question was asked if it was there a possibility of any of the BHX based craft routing through Manchester on a "W" pattern and hence
why I also mentioned BHX but all I have heard is a rumour of 3 more
routes with an announcement soon.
BHX currently has 7 based rising to 8 at the end of May but like
Manchester there are gaps in the schedule for potential new routes
and hopefully both airports will see more announcements.
Pete
The question was asked if it was there a possibility of any of the BHX based craft routing through Manchester on a "W" pattern and hence
why I also mentioned BHX but all I have heard is a rumour of 3 more
routes with an announcement soon.
BHX currently has 7 based rising to 8 at the end of May but like
Manchester there are gaps in the schedule for potential new routes
and hopefully both airports will see more announcements.
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thanks for clearing that one up!
any ideas if baby are likely to use NQY from any other domestic airports?
i might be wrong but havnt they previously flown from other places into NQY?
thanks for clearing that one up!
any ideas if baby are likely to use NQY from any other domestic airports?
i might be wrong but havnt they previously flown from other places into NQY?
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Q Has Manchester peaked..?
Lets be honest if MAS could not "supposedly" make money on 80% load factors and they end up in bloody Gatwick , we have no chance of attracting the other big players like QANTAS, SAA, Air India etc etc back......
The long hall market appears to have peaked as has the target of 40M pax a year !
...and now sadly it appears SAUDIA is going back to 1 a week so clearly that is also about to go down the pan as indeed are JETT8 (although appreciate that is a different area) !
...and whats happening with SIA ?
The ONLY way that Man can compete against London is on price, we are already penalised because of the dominance of the South East, it is such a massive hub but there is something seriously wrong when you hear all these stories of poeople from the North Of England ramming flights that originate in the South East and yet services from Manchester cannot make money.
So what is going wrong ?
Does anyone know what happended with the landing fees ?
There are some bright spots Re EMIRATES BUT generally its a gloomy outlook.
Landing fees must be more competitive !
There is little point banging on about long haul services such as THAI etc..... if almost everybody else has failed, on what possible basis does anybody hope that they might have a cat in hells chance of success given the current backdrop of airlines which have "tried and failed".
With the recent influx of long haul cargo it "looked" as though that was a bright spot but even that is now looking dodgy.
Can somebody cheer me up please !
Lets be honest if MAS could not "supposedly" make money on 80% load factors and they end up in bloody Gatwick , we have no chance of attracting the other big players like QANTAS, SAA, Air India etc etc back......
The long hall market appears to have peaked as has the target of 40M pax a year !
...and now sadly it appears SAUDIA is going back to 1 a week so clearly that is also about to go down the pan as indeed are JETT8 (although appreciate that is a different area) !
...and whats happening with SIA ?
The ONLY way that Man can compete against London is on price, we are already penalised because of the dominance of the South East, it is such a massive hub but there is something seriously wrong when you hear all these stories of poeople from the North Of England ramming flights that originate in the South East and yet services from Manchester cannot make money.
So what is going wrong ?
Does anyone know what happended with the landing fees ?
There are some bright spots Re EMIRATES BUT generally its a gloomy outlook.
Landing fees must be more competitive !
There is little point banging on about long haul services such as THAI etc..... if almost everybody else has failed, on what possible basis does anybody hope that they might have a cat in hells chance of success given the current backdrop of airlines which have "tried and failed".
With the recent influx of long haul cargo it "looked" as though that was a bright spot but even that is now looking dodgy.
Can somebody cheer me up please !
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You just have to cross your fingers for a few years until the smaller 787 comes online. Maybe then the airlines will be able to get good LFs.
Things still look rosy with flights across the pond so its not all bad.
From experience at looking at longhaul flights to Asia ex MAN the seem to be several hundred pounds more than flights to the same destination ex LHR, so maybe the airlines need to look at their pricing structures before pulling out of MAN.
Steve
Things still look rosy with flights across the pond so its not all bad.
From experience at looking at longhaul flights to Asia ex MAN the seem to be several hundred pounds more than flights to the same destination ex LHR, so maybe the airlines need to look at their pricing structures before pulling out of MAN.
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If there is any comfort to be found in it, Gatwick was not a decision based on a competition between them and MAN. Malaysian planned the extra schedule for LHR, but the slots weren't available for it to work.
Whether the decision to open LGW is a good one remains to be seen, although with the various EZY options at LGW, I would have thought it might become the "backpackers'" route of choice both ways.
But as we all know, high loads and low yields don't necessarily spell success.
Stoney
Whether the decision to open LGW is a good one remains to be seen, although with the various EZY options at LGW, I would have thought it might become the "backpackers'" route of choice both ways.
But as we all know, high loads and low yields don't necessarily spell success.
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I think the problem is that over the years we have been somewhat 'spoilt' at MAN in terms of the variety of routes on offer. When all said and done it is just a regional airport and cannot compete on the same scale as the airports in the south-east. But look at the services we have/have had over the years. The likes of EK double daily, QR, SQ, Malaysian, Ethiad, CX... Not to mention the considerable amount of west bound traffic too. How many other regional airports can boast such a list. Look at the likes of BHX, NCL, GLA. All of these airports have hugh catchment areas and in the case of Birmingham many would argue that this indeed is England's second city yet services and passenger numbers from there have always been years behind those offered from MAN. I guess what I'm trying to say is, is it a case of we are all being far too expectant? Did we really expect services, particularly long-haul, to continue to grow at pace? MAN is not LHR and despite it being in an economically important region, long-haul services were always going to level off at some point. I believe now is that point and because we have been spoilt with so many long-haul offerings in the past, we are now feeling disappointed with this stagnant period. If we all stand back and gain some perspective on the situation, MAN still offers more long-haul routes than any other regional airport in the UK. Surely that's an achievement in itself. We will always play second fiddle to the south-east. The majority of long-haul carriers will find it more viable to operate into LHR and feed pax down from the regions to there. We have to just accept that. When you look at the London bias mentality of our own national carrier, maybe we should all be grateful that we have so many long-haul services in the first place. And finally, the slight drop in pax numbers through MAN has very little to do with long-haul. This is mainly down to the consolidation of charter carriers plus the short-sighted attitude of the big bosses in their failure to attract LCC's. The latter is being addressed. MAN still has 22M pax per annum passing through its terminals, again for a regional airport is this really all that terrible??
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SAA - won't be returning anytime soon, they have been in dire straits for a while and cutting European flights rather than adding them
Qantas - likely to return through Jetstar once the equipment is available
Air India - rumours of a return have been going on for a while but nothing yet.... maybe another Indian carrier will get in there first?
Malaysian - unlikely to return, especially if Air Asia X are poised
However I don't think long haul from MAN is a write off just yet, for a regional airport there is a very good network of destinations served. I think in the future however we may potentially see a change in the profile of long haul operators towards the likes of Air Asia X, Oasis Hong Kong and Jetstar rather than traditional legacy carriers returning to routes. All three of these carriers appear to be showing an interest in operating into MAN so hopefully some good news will be just around the corner.
Qantas - likely to return through Jetstar once the equipment is available
Air India - rumours of a return have been going on for a while but nothing yet.... maybe another Indian carrier will get in there first?
Malaysian - unlikely to return, especially if Air Asia X are poised
However I don't think long haul from MAN is a write off just yet, for a regional airport there is a very good network of destinations served. I think in the future however we may potentially see a change in the profile of long haul operators towards the likes of Air Asia X, Oasis Hong Kong and Jetstar rather than traditional legacy carriers returning to routes. All three of these carriers appear to be showing an interest in operating into MAN so hopefully some good news will be just around the corner.
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Not sure BHX is really comparable to MAN. The former suffers by being within 1-1.5 hours drive from LHR, though admittedly doesn't have the shuttle flights.
The problem I have with MAN , as already pointed out above, is that it almost always costs more to fly from there than LHR. I have seen BA prices to JFK cheaper routing MAN-LHR-JFK than flying on the direct MAN-JFK. I also got quoted cheaper fares on EK and SIA from LHR than MAN.
As for QF, there's no point, EK/SIA took the MAN - Australasia market when they left with the strange notion that people in the NW would still use their services, even when they'd have to transfer at LHR from T4 to T1 after already travelling for nearly 24 hours.
I suspect MAN, in terms of L/H development, would be better off without domestic flights to LHR. If you cannot get a route in directly pax could still route via AMS/FRA/CDG. It;s also quicker to get to/from LGW by train from Manchester, even though it's via central london than on the comically late BA flight, cheaper too.
The problem I have with MAN , as already pointed out above, is that it almost always costs more to fly from there than LHR. I have seen BA prices to JFK cheaper routing MAN-LHR-JFK than flying on the direct MAN-JFK. I also got quoted cheaper fares on EK and SIA from LHR than MAN.
As for QF, there's no point, EK/SIA took the MAN - Australasia market when they left with the strange notion that people in the NW would still use their services, even when they'd have to transfer at LHR from T4 to T1 after already travelling for nearly 24 hours.
I suspect MAN, in terms of L/H development, would be better off without domestic flights to LHR. If you cannot get a route in directly pax could still route via AMS/FRA/CDG. It;s also quicker to get to/from LGW by train from Manchester, even though it's via central london than on the comically late BA flight, cheaper too.
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What Manchester needs and more importantly needs to sustain is a long haul carrier of it's own. Lets face the fact we will be waiting forever if we rely on BA, BD and VS. Overseas based airlines cannot be relied on either as witnessed by SQ,s strange decision to drop two of it's seven weekly flights (Is this so it can help fill it's London originating A380,s).
Yes i know raising the finance for a startup airline is hard at anytime, but i can see a carrier with six Boeing 787 ,s flying non-stop to west coast USA, HKG, and competing with the incumbent airlines to New York, Dubai etc.
Take off and landing slots are far easier to come by at MAN than LHR and as regards ticket prices a new start up carrier will be able undercut the legacy airlines.
Yes i know raising the finance for a startup airline is hard at anytime, but i can see a carrier with six Boeing 787 ,s flying non-stop to west coast USA, HKG, and competing with the incumbent airlines to New York, Dubai etc.
Take off and landing slots are far easier to come by at MAN than LHR and as regards ticket prices a new start up carrier will be able undercut the legacy airlines.
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Full roll out of the biometric system has only started this month. Possible to transfer data card-to-card but this can take longer than a re-scan. System can not hold biometric data.
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This link showing LHR lost out to Brussels. I also think MAN missed out on a chance aswell.
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heat...ws-220208b.htm
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heat...ws-220208b.htm
Yes i know raising the finance for a startup airline is hard at anytime, but i can see a carrier with six Boeing 787 ,s flying non-stop to west coast USA, HKG, and competing with the incumbent airlines to New York, Dubai etc.
Take off and landing slots are far easier to come by at MAN than LHR and as regards ticket prices a new start up carrier will be able undercut the legacy airlines.
Take off and landing slots are far easier to come by at MAN than LHR and as regards ticket prices a new start up carrier will be able undercut the legacy airlines.
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If MH wanted slots at LHR instead of LGW maybe they shouldn't have flogged those LHR slots last year.
FlyZB. I admire your positivity mate, but I can't take comfort in the fact that it's got more than other regional airports so we should be happy. MAN is the biggest and most important airport outside London, so it should be better than other regionals. Long haul air travel globally is booming, MAN is becoming stagnant.
We've been so bl**dy close on CX (flight numbers and times announced), to a lesser extent on TG (CEO admitting MAN was one of the next batch on the list) and recently lost MH (who now announce twice weekly LGW flights) that you start to think it's never gonna happen. We live in hope...
BTW, nice of that AA 767 to block the main runway with a duff tyre today while the other runway is out of action....
FlyZB. I admire your positivity mate, but I can't take comfort in the fact that it's got more than other regional airports so we should be happy. MAN is the biggest and most important airport outside London, so it should be better than other regionals. Long haul air travel globally is booming, MAN is becoming stagnant.
We've been so bl**dy close on CX (flight numbers and times announced), to a lesser extent on TG (CEO admitting MAN was one of the next batch on the list) and recently lost MH (who now announce twice weekly LGW flights) that you start to think it's never gonna happen. We live in hope...
BTW, nice of that AA 767 to block the main runway with a duff tyre today while the other runway is out of action....