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As flight only companies like XL and freedom flights are curtailing their operations at NCL for next winter and possibly even next summer there is certainly a gap in the market, where Jet2 could pick up so the possibility of LS 757's operating to LPA, PFO and SSH is quite likely. Freedom/XL have had a fairly substantial winter programme this current winter season, using FJE to LPA, TFS, ACE, PFO, SSH and adhoc's to FUE for the holiday seasons. Indeed extra flights were added during busy periods, but obviously it was not profitable for these companies, hence they are not operating next winter, therefore it leaves potential for Jet2.
I also believe that YYZ is a possibility, the GSM service this summer is not exactly ideal, operating via MAN some weeks and direct others. YYZ could be served by a 757 a couple of days per week, though are Jet2's 757 a/c suitable for such long flights, in range yes, but what about pax comfort? I think the likes of NYC would be better served by a so called 'legacy' carrier with the option of upgraded service and connections throughout the US.
I also believe that YYZ is a possibility, the GSM service this summer is not exactly ideal, operating via MAN some weeks and direct others. YYZ could be served by a 757 a couple of days per week, though are Jet2's 757 a/c suitable for such long flights, in range yes, but what about pax comfort? I think the likes of NYC would be better served by a so called 'legacy' carrier with the option of upgraded service and connections throughout the US.
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I think that the new jet2holidays will help fill flights to places that might not be able to be filled with flights only such as LPA, SSH and Cyprus!
Altho jet2's 757s are not the best for comfort for transatlantic... are Globespans? or Thomas Cooks? who are all crossing the atlantic this summer from NCL with the 757.
I know for transatlantic the pax figure would have to be capped at about 200, but I doubt seats will be removed from the aircraft, but you never know the 757s could be fitted with extra legroom seats in the first 5 rows or so..
Altho jet2's 757s are not the best for comfort for transatlantic... are Globespans? or Thomas Cooks? who are all crossing the atlantic this summer from NCL with the 757.
I know for transatlantic the pax figure would have to be capped at about 200, but I doubt seats will be removed from the aircraft, but you never know the 757s could be fitted with extra legroom seats in the first 5 rows or so..
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NCL needs a legacy carrier with business class seats. CO would be perfect for NCL.
They use their 752s on many of their UK destinations. BFS, BHX, MAN, LGW, BRS, GLA and EDI. NCL is a perfect name to add to that list!
They use their 752s on many of their UK destinations. BFS, BHX, MAN, LGW, BRS, GLA and EDI. NCL is a perfect name to add to that list!
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Emirates has set a prescedence for long haul operations at NCL, if the service is a success. A worldwide recognised carrier beginning flights to a hub network, like DXB is a great start for the airport in attracting other 'legacy' carriers offering the same type of service/flights. Sure, NCL may not sustain first class operations, hence the use of A330 Business/Economy a/c by EK. I am sure that a CO NYC service, with a small capacity airliner like the 757 would work from NCL, indeed flights from other regional UK and European airports seem to perform well, like BFS, BRS etc.
Wether Jet2 will start long haul ops using their 757 will remain to be seen, however for such a service I think a carrier like CO would be better suited. Yes lowcost airlines have a very important role to play in the developement of NCL, especially given the increase in flights generated at NCL by these airlines, however long haul is a slightly different ball game compared with european loco services.
On the charter front, when mergers of the big four are complete, there will be little need for ad-hoc units, such as FJE to be based at NCL. Comparing the charter network with the likes of MAN, NCL is fairly small and operators tend to keep flying 'in-house'. XL seem to be concentrating their programme, taking all flight in house and smaller niche operators tend to just buy block seats from the big 4, soon to be big 2. Only the likes of Olympic Holidays, who are not directly involved with an airline have a sizeable presence at NCL, and they seem to use quite alot of XL amd MYT flights.
I also, come the merger, highly doubt that FCA will reopen a base, especially when TOM have a 3 aircraft base at NCL. First Choice holidays, I presume will just have their pax travelling on TOM flights.
It will be nice to see more longhaul aircraft and destinations at NCL, Summer 08 will see an increased long haul presence from:
Thomsonfly 767 - PUJ, CUN, SFB.
Monarch A330 - POP, SFB.
Emirates A330 - DXB.
Globespan 757 - Toronto (presuming it will still continue next year).
TCX 757 - YYZ.
A NYC flight would make a nice addition to that list.
Wether Jet2 will start long haul ops using their 757 will remain to be seen, however for such a service I think a carrier like CO would be better suited. Yes lowcost airlines have a very important role to play in the developement of NCL, especially given the increase in flights generated at NCL by these airlines, however long haul is a slightly different ball game compared with european loco services.
On the charter front, when mergers of the big four are complete, there will be little need for ad-hoc units, such as FJE to be based at NCL. Comparing the charter network with the likes of MAN, NCL is fairly small and operators tend to keep flying 'in-house'. XL seem to be concentrating their programme, taking all flight in house and smaller niche operators tend to just buy block seats from the big 4, soon to be big 2. Only the likes of Olympic Holidays, who are not directly involved with an airline have a sizeable presence at NCL, and they seem to use quite alot of XL amd MYT flights.
I also, come the merger, highly doubt that FCA will reopen a base, especially when TOM have a 3 aircraft base at NCL. First Choice holidays, I presume will just have their pax travelling on TOM flights.
It will be nice to see more longhaul aircraft and destinations at NCL, Summer 08 will see an increased long haul presence from:
Thomsonfly 767 - PUJ, CUN, SFB.
Monarch A330 - POP, SFB.
Emirates A330 - DXB.
Globespan 757 - Toronto (presuming it will still continue next year).
TCX 757 - YYZ.
A NYC flight would make a nice addition to that list.
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Rwy 25 extension.
Should the "Masterplan" be the way forward, and the 360 metre extension mentioned by Skyman 771, that would make the extended rwy 25 2689 metres in length.
With Manchester's 2nd runway being 3012 metres, we will fall behind. What will a fully fuelled/loaded 747 need on a hot day to get off and clear Darras Hall - a bit more than 2689 metres I bet!
It's nearly 250 metres (or slightly more?) from the threshold of 25 to the eastern boundry fence, so the Dinnington/Brunton Lane road would be only slightly diverted - I assume/understand the airport may now own the field where the approach lights are situated, and not the constantly complaining farmer - if so then get on with the job!
With Manchester's 2nd runway being 3012 metres, we will fall behind. What will a fully fuelled/loaded 747 need on a hot day to get off and clear Darras Hall - a bit more than 2689 metres I bet!
It's nearly 250 metres (or slightly more?) from the threshold of 25 to the eastern boundry fence, so the Dinnington/Brunton Lane road would be only slightly diverted - I assume/understand the airport may now own the field where the approach lights are situated, and not the constantly complaining farmer - if so then get on with the job!
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Why not extend MME to 3500m? Save lots of money
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Runway extension
Get me some traffic: like TOPPROP your reply does not make sense. Why would it be cheaper to extend the runway at MME than NCL. More importantly who is going to use it. The traffic is simply not at MME, Flyglobespan can't even carry on their two aircraft base through the winter for shorthaul so who is going to operate long haul from MME?
On the subject of the legacy - lowcost airline transatlantic debate I would hazard a guess that it will to some extent depend on how Flyglobespan do out of Liverpool to Newark, if it does well and bookings must as they are continuing daily into the Winter then I suspect other low cost operators will follow. Jet2 is ideally placed to get in on the act before many of the others. I am sure they would do well operating NCL to EWR with regard to the legacy carriers they have not been too interested at NCL before as both CO and Delta could have stepped in by now to pick up the fiasco created by the AA pullout.
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On the subject of the legacy - lowcost airline transatlantic debate I would hazard a guess that it will to some extent depend on how Flyglobespan do out of Liverpool to Newark, if it does well and bookings must as they are continuing daily into the Winter then I suspect other low cost operators will follow. Jet2 is ideally placed to get in on the act before many of the others. I am sure they would do well operating NCL to EWR with regard to the legacy carriers they have not been too interested at NCL before as both CO and Delta could have stepped in by now to pick up the fiasco created by the AA pullout.
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- a bit more than 2689 metres I bet!
As for any potential Loco service NCL- NYC, then for me I need serious convincing as to such viability on a daily basis. A key issue is the ease of onward connections, else one may just as easily route through a European hub. Additionally there is also need to address differing levels of service which would require specifically fitted out 757's dedicated for such an operation. Good luck to GSM's effort from LPL, though for me I don't see that reviewing their future winter service offerings on their internet site says anything at all as to it's potential success... the jury remains out
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The problem at NCL is not "fully laden 747s on a hot day" (get real please) but in fact heavy single aisles such as the A321 in particular when they are trying to get out to Greece, Turkey etc. during summer. The takeoff perf gets very marginal at the 25 end (mainly due to the hill and the line of trees on top of it), sometimes resulting in refuelling stops at MME.
But it would be a very expensive project when perhaps 3-4 movements would actually NEED it per year.
But it would be a very expensive project when perhaps 3-4 movements would actually NEED it per year.
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Spokesman on BBC Radio Newcastle this morning - very pleased with advance bookings, '5000 already for the first four months'.
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Rwy 25 Extension.
True, how many movements would really need such an extension? I mentioned the fully fuelled 747's as that was what was discussed many years ago when this project first raised it's head.
Just as a point of interest, I remember watching a Spanair MD83 doing her best, screaming her way down rwy 25 on a very hot day last July - V1 must have been called passing the "Foxtrot" turn off - now that is NO margin for error and right on perf limits that particular day.
The rwy extension, well - watch this space I guess!
Just as a point of interest, I remember watching a Spanair MD83 doing her best, screaming her way down rwy 25 on a very hot day last July - V1 must have been called passing the "Foxtrot" turn off - now that is NO margin for error and right on perf limits that particular day.
The rwy extension, well - watch this space I guess!
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The only 747s that NCL could possibly see on a regular basis would be the Excel/Travel City Direct 743s if they were to start flying to Sanford.
Even then, that would only be once a week/fortnight at most anyway.
Even then, that would only be once a week/fortnight at most anyway.
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Boys and Girls I think Get Me Some Traffic is pulling your leg and you fell for it hook line and sinker, lol.
On a serious note can NCL extend the runway much more without inccuring unreasonable costs? I'm sure I ve heard that there are mine workings under one end and that has caused subsidence in the past, maybe wrong. Also like others have said is a small extension going to benifical?
On the other hand Get ME Some Traffic could have a point about an extension at MME seeing as they are handling widebodies on an almost daily basis to the middle east and central asia.
Ncleflights Flyglobespan have only been here a short time and are slowly increasing their flights all the time.
On a serious note can NCL extend the runway much more without inccuring unreasonable costs? I'm sure I ve heard that there are mine workings under one end and that has caused subsidence in the past, maybe wrong. Also like others have said is a small extension going to benifical?
On the other hand Get ME Some Traffic could have a point about an extension at MME seeing as they are handling widebodies on an almost daily basis to the middle east and central asia.
Ncleflights Flyglobespan have only been here a short time and are slowly increasing their flights all the time.
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Excel will lease Finnair 757, not sure what reg this year, in addition to a Sunwing Airlines 738. The Flyjet 757 also operates flights on behalf of XL. Excel do tend to use alot of aircraft, not from their own fleet for flights during the summer. EMA, BHX and BRS all have aircraft from foreign carriers operating, maybe it is more financially viable to do this than having a fleet of aircraft which operates fully in summer, but not so much work to do in winter.
Interesting piece of news on BBC Look North about expansion of airport etc.
Interesting piece of news on BBC Look North about expansion of airport etc.