SOUTHEND - 2
Just an update on a few things:
The planning application to build the rail station before the new terminal was lodged with RDC in late November. Another application has been made for permission to remove the existing boundary fence and some greenhouses which currently infringe the Runway Strip Width adjacent to the 06 threshold.
The terminal refurbishment continues with the coffee shop area receiving attention last week and work on the the landside toilet area having started yesterday. The resiting of the check-in area etc. will start in the New Year with the whole refurbishment scheduled for completion by Easter.
There is the possibility of an small additional series of flights taking place next summer (presumably charters?), but details will not be announced until well into the New Year. No idea of destination or the carrier involved.
The planning application to build the rail station before the new terminal was lodged with RDC in late November. Another application has been made for permission to remove the existing boundary fence and some greenhouses which currently infringe the Runway Strip Width adjacent to the 06 threshold.
The terminal refurbishment continues with the coffee shop area receiving attention last week and work on the the landside toilet area having started yesterday. The resiting of the check-in area etc. will start in the New Year with the whole refurbishment scheduled for completion by Easter.
There is the possibility of an small additional series of flights taking place next summer (presumably charters?), but details will not be announced until well into the New Year. No idea of destination or the carrier involved.
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ATIS appears to have been relocated to 136.050 and is now a ponderous automated system.
They've only done it to annoy me, because the scanner in my kitchen works in blocks of frequencies - the airband one ending at 136.0 !
ATIS appears to have been relocated to 136.050 and is now a ponderous automated system.
They've only done it to annoy me, because the scanner in my kitchen works in blocks of frequencies - the airband one ending at 136.0 !
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Please do not think I am being cynical in any way, SEN is a great airport, started me off in 88, as did the PA31 as we had 3 amonst other types. LTQ is beautiful, worked for an airline that served it out of LYX for two years after SEN. The London-Paris airbridge with coaches/trains at either end......been there at LYX too.
All great ideas, but died a death now IMHO.
2 x Adult via Flywatch GBP400.00 (return) all bar the shouting and on the Continent in about 2:00 mins from leaving the house, in say Benfleet?
Call it 8:00 return trip by road and Sealink (Sorry worked for them too) and GBP200:00 and GBP200:00 to spend on plonk, lunch and smokes all duty paid.
As Flywatch are not heading to 'business' destinations, personal time saved will not equate to higher costs.
As with all airlines, the car will carry a dozen cases of plonk/beer per couple where as the aircraft (especially a PA31) will not and if it could, excess baggage would almost certainly apply.
Hope Flywatch do find a niche in the market, develope and grow, but alas I cannot honestly see it myself, which I think is a great shame. despite having a self declared soft spot for SEN and LTQ, I hope Flywatch have other contracts or interests that will 'subsidise' this venture.
(Alas, I have chartered pistons before, true to my roots so to speak, for AOG runs with spares only. Paid good money for the service, only to find they had to position at own cost to an airfield where 100LL was available to get home
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Good luck to all involved, hope you can make it work, hope you can make it thrive at good old EGMC as it one or twice did in the past.................
All great ideas, but died a death now IMHO.
2 x Adult via Flywatch GBP400.00 (return) all bar the shouting and on the Continent in about 2:00 mins from leaving the house, in say Benfleet?
Call it 8:00 return trip by road and Sealink (Sorry worked for them too) and GBP200:00 and GBP200:00 to spend on plonk, lunch and smokes all duty paid.
As Flywatch are not heading to 'business' destinations, personal time saved will not equate to higher costs.
As with all airlines, the car will carry a dozen cases of plonk/beer per couple where as the aircraft (especially a PA31) will not and if it could, excess baggage would almost certainly apply.
Hope Flywatch do find a niche in the market, develope and grow, but alas I cannot honestly see it myself, which I think is a great shame. despite having a self declared soft spot for SEN and LTQ, I hope Flywatch have other contracts or interests that will 'subsidise' this venture.
(Alas, I have chartered pistons before, true to my roots so to speak, for AOG runs with spares only. Paid good money for the service, only to find they had to position at own cost to an airfield where 100LL was available to get home
)Good luck to all involved, hope you can make it work, hope you can make it thrive at good old EGMC as it one or twice did in the past.................
Southend Airport For Sale
RAL have announced that, following expressions of interest, they are inviting offers for the purchase of LSACL in either its entirety or a majority stake.
The current development plans call for some £35 million of investment and obviously RAL would find some difficulty raising this, having a relatively low asset valuation themselves. No doubt they also see it as a good opportunity to realise a substantial gain on their investemt to date.
Full details are on the SEN website in the form of a Press Release.
Now, who are the bidders likely to be?
The current development plans call for some £35 million of investment and obviously RAL would find some difficulty raising this, having a relatively low asset valuation themselves. No doubt they also see it as a good opportunity to realise a substantial gain on their investemt to date.
Full details are on the SEN website in the form of a Press Release.
Now, who are the bidders likely to be?
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Great news about the rail station approval, should make a huge difference to the viability long term. However, with a landing distance available of just 1285m on runway 06, until that runway extension is absalutely guaranteed and in the bag, you wouldn't get your cheque book out just yet. There's not a lot commercially that will get in there today when the wind's the wrong way.
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It's a bit sweeping to say "there's not a lot commercially that will get in ...." on a runway with an LDA of only 1285m.
After all, LCY doesn't seem to do badly with LDAs of 1319m on both runways.
I take the point though that additional distances are highly desirable and I'm reliably informed that the CAA have approved the plan for a 200m extension without the need to move Eastwoodbury church. RAL probably wanted that approval in the bag before inviting offers for the business.
The Press Release makes specific mention that the proposed extension will permit the commercial operation of types such as the A319 and E195, so I should imagine any prospective buyer will have budgeted for a runway extension before throwing his hat into the ring.
It's a bit sweeping to say "there's not a lot commercially that will get in ...." on a runway with an LDA of only 1285m.
After all, LCY doesn't seem to do badly with LDAs of 1319m on both runways.
I take the point though that additional distances are highly desirable and I'm reliably informed that the CAA have approved the plan for a 200m extension without the need to move Eastwoodbury church. RAL probably wanted that approval in the bag before inviting offers for the business.
The Press Release makes specific mention that the proposed extension will permit the commercial operation of types such as the A319 and E195, so I should imagine any prospective buyer will have budgeted for a runway extension before throwing his hat into the ring.
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Happy New Year to all. This probably is one of the last nails in the coffin. At 35 millions even if that were to be the cost of the airfield it is snip for housing development. A more cynical person than me might think that housing was the plan all along. With the best will in the world I cannot see who would come along and pay these sorts of monies with very little business potential. As I have said before the people of SEN and I am also a council tax payer there seem to have little interest in seeing the airport developed when they have an international airport 60 minutes away. I hope I am proved to be wrong once again. In 7 years that I have had an interest here it has continued to go downhill.
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I'm sorry, but you are just way off beam there.
This is the best thing that has happened to SEN since its redevelopment plans were announced 4 or 5 years ago. The programme for which planning consents have been granted is among the most ambitious planned for any UK airport for many years and it needs the financial muscle which RAL have always lacked to make them reality.
The very fact that all that is needed is the finance and project management skills to see those plans to fruition is what has attracted the attention of several (and it is several) big names and one of those will be the owner of SEN by early this Summer. They can see the potential that these developments will realise in terms of the growth of SEN, which you seem unable to accept.
I'm sorry, but you are just way off beam there.
This is the best thing that has happened to SEN since its redevelopment plans were announced 4 or 5 years ago. The programme for which planning consents have been granted is among the most ambitious planned for any UK airport for many years and it needs the financial muscle which RAL have always lacked to make them reality.
The very fact that all that is needed is the finance and project management skills to see those plans to fruition is what has attracted the attention of several (and it is several) big names and one of those will be the owner of SEN by early this Summer. They can see the potential that these developments will realise in terms of the growth of SEN, which you seem unable to accept.
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LCY I guess is a good benchmark as to the field performance of what can land at Southend today (in particular on RWY 06) - the only difference is that they're all doing a 5 degree steep approach which I assume actually reduces the landing roll by some margin. If you were comming in at 3 degrees (i.e. normal approach), I suspect a lot of the LCY aircraft types may have to have lower payloads to get into just 1285m at Southend? Not sure about that one?
Although the extra 200m runway may have the support in principle by the local authorities (and the majority of the local community for that matter), when it comes to the crunch and the're an election in the wind, politics can play all sorts of tricks when the lobbyists get their knives into local councils - it's not 'in the bag' until the JCBs are on site! Planning concent is everything - unless I've read that wrong and the planning concent is indeed in place already for the 200m - if so forget all the above and I'll shut-up!
Although the extra 200m runway may have the support in principle by the local authorities (and the majority of the local community for that matter), when it comes to the crunch and the're an election in the wind, politics can play all sorts of tricks when the lobbyists get their knives into local councils - it's not 'in the bag' until the JCBs are on site! Planning concent is everything - unless I've read that wrong and the planning concent is indeed in place already for the 200m - if so forget all the above and I'll shut-up!
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From what I understand - Renaissance Southend (i.e southend and Rochford councils), the CAA and the Thames Gateway people have all given the nod for a 200-250 metre extension of the runway but it still has to go before the planners and that could be the stumbling block although I hope not.
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767 In paint for Jet 2
I saw someone ask about a 767 in paint for jet 2..... SEDUP a Tui Nordic 757-200 is in bay 2 at ATC and currently has a sore backside which is delaying its lease handover to Jet 2. 
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HZ123
I hope that if SEN does ever come under threat from the house builders (although I think that is very unlikely, its just something that people who are waiting for god have appeared to latch on to) that we can count on your support to keep it open. The airport does a lot for the town and its people, it certainly pays my bills.. SEN is no pushover.
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I assume that if you are given information on a confidential basis you don't shout it from the rooftops on a forum such as this. So, no, I won't be naming names.
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You make a couple of valid points there.
As far as I know the 146 is granted a 'credit' of some 100m on its landing distance calculation at LCY, with its 5° glidepath compared to the 3.5° at SEN. Probably other types also benefit from this so, I agree, LCY and SEN LDAs cannot be compared directly.
As far as planning consent for any runway extension is concerned, potential purchasers will have to make their own judgement on its achievability. I cannot recall a time, however, when all parties were so supportive of SEN and there does seem to be a certain momentum behind the planned developments at present. Of course there can be many a slip between now and any planning application being lodged next Spring say.
In a worst case scenario there is always the possibility is just diverting Eastwoodbury Lane without any actual extension to the runway at all. That should give an increase of around 175m on LDA for 06, plus an considerable increase in TODA for 24 through elimination of the approach and initial climb obstacles respectively.
Certainly the next few months will prove interesting.
I assume that if you are given information on a confidential basis you don't shout it from the rooftops on a forum such as this. So, no, I won't be naming names.
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You make a couple of valid points there.
As far as I know the 146 is granted a 'credit' of some 100m on its landing distance calculation at LCY, with its 5° glidepath compared to the 3.5° at SEN. Probably other types also benefit from this so, I agree, LCY and SEN LDAs cannot be compared directly.
As far as planning consent for any runway extension is concerned, potential purchasers will have to make their own judgement on its achievability. I cannot recall a time, however, when all parties were so supportive of SEN and there does seem to be a certain momentum behind the planned developments at present. Of course there can be many a slip between now and any planning application being lodged next Spring say.
In a worst case scenario there is always the possibility is just diverting Eastwoodbury Lane without any actual extension to the runway at all. That should give an increase of around 175m on LDA for 06, plus an considerable increase in TODA for 24 through elimination of the approach and initial climb obstacles respectively.
Certainly the next few months will prove interesting.
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