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Normally there are 3 return flights per weekday, 1 on Saturdays and 2 on Sundays. So if there were no cancellations there would have been 84 round trips in March. Let's assume say 4 round-trip cancellations (I have no idea if there were any at all), which would give 80 round trips. At 95 seats per flight that's 15200 seats, so that's 44%. Low-to-mid-40s is not a great load factor six months into a new route, to be honest.
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Yes, its going to be hard to break into the EI/FR grip on the London route, people will just automaticly book their "normal" airline. I'm going over next month with Cityjet, looking forward to it.
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Loads aren't brilliant, but looking at the fares they are asking over the coming week, yields seem strong. The overall numbers on the route are probably better than the loads suggest.
I'm confident that over time things will improve, but how much time and patience WX can afford to give the route is the unknown. Hopefully enough to make the route sustainable long term.
The summer French flights, charter programme and the introduction of the SSJs are all opportunities for publicity and keeping the airline at the front of people's thoughts.
I'm confident that over time things will improve, but how much time and patience WX can afford to give the route is the unknown. Hopefully enough to make the route sustainable long term.
The summer French flights, charter programme and the introduction of the SSJs are all opportunities for publicity and keeping the airline at the front of people's thoughts.
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The on time performance of the route is becoming woeful. Delays, diversions to SEN for technical reasons and the increasing frequency of late cancellations (after ongoing and ever extended delays) is becoming a joke. Also, and I know this is out of CityJet's control, the amazing East Kent coast scenic tour on a flight from the west is almost inevitable now, leading to flight times of nearly one and a half hours, a third of which is flying past LCY and then back again. My patience, and loyalty, is wearing thin and I'm not the only one.
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Looks like ORK-BOS could happen this year, after all. The flights could potentially start on the 1st of August.
Cork?s 96FM | Article
Surely it will be a short season this year, maybe a few flights around Christmas and then back next year for something longer.
Cork?s 96FM | Article
Surely it will be a short season this year, maybe a few flights around Christmas and then back next year for something longer.
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Very disappointing news regarding Lcy - Ork route. The route was certainly sustainable but not at the three daily rotations being operated by WX. As WX are not in a position to hold out while the route developed it is understandable that they had to cut their losses. In essence they did the best they could with the available resources.
That brings us onto what next! The route was very popular amongst Munster people working in London (Myself being one). I also know for a fact that it was being used by senior people in a number of large companies with London and Cork offices. That includes larger international banks etc..
There is a market of around 7000 passengers per month on this route. Even allowing for "leakage" due to a reduced frequency there is definitely a market to support one daily evening rotation (5000 odd passengers Per month). The ball is now in the DAA's court in trying to attract another carrier onto the route. The two alternatives being BA City Flier (less likely due to Union agreements in the IAG group and leakage of traffic from LHR) or more likely Flybe. Lets see if there is the will to achieve continuation of the route by the power that be!
That brings us onto what next! The route was very popular amongst Munster people working in London (Myself being one). I also know for a fact that it was being used by senior people in a number of large companies with London and Cork offices. That includes larger international banks etc..
There is a market of around 7000 passengers per month on this route. Even allowing for "leakage" due to a reduced frequency there is definitely a market to support one daily evening rotation (5000 odd passengers Per month). The ball is now in the DAA's court in trying to attract another carrier onto the route. The two alternatives being BA City Flier (less likely due to Union agreements in the IAG group and leakage of traffic from LHR) or more likely Flybe. Lets see if there is the will to achieve continuation of the route by the power that be!
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End of ORK-LCY
A shame but not surprising.
I had high hopes for this when it started and still feel they offer the best on board product. However, poor flight times, poor timekeeping, late cancellations and the noticeable increase in London bound flight times due to the new LCY arrivals routings have done it no favours in trying to attract and keep custom. The gloss has also worn off LCY - it remains in a handy location but at busy times, feels like controlled chaos and can suffer lengthy deplaning times, all of which negate it's USP.
I'll use it for the last time next week and then back to EI and the odd FR, although personally I try to avoid STN at any cost these days.
A good try Cityjet - but not good enough.
I had high hopes for this when it started and still feel they offer the best on board product. However, poor flight times, poor timekeeping, late cancellations and the noticeable increase in London bound flight times due to the new LCY arrivals routings have done it no favours in trying to attract and keep custom. The gloss has also worn off LCY - it remains in a handy location but at busy times, feels like controlled chaos and can suffer lengthy deplaning times, all of which negate it's USP.
I'll use it for the last time next week and then back to EI and the odd FR, although personally I try to avoid STN at any cost these days.
A good try Cityjet - but not good enough.
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You won't pick up business traffic with just an evening rotation. There has to be at least a morning one as well. You can get away with one rotation if there is no direct competition, but with Ryanair and Aer Lingus both offering multiple daily services to London, it wouldn't be enough.
Agreed on the comment re flight times. A 16:00 departure ex Cork and a 17:55 ex LCY are too early for last flights if you want to pick up business traffic. You need to let people get as close to a day's work as possible.
Agreed on the comment re flight times. A 16:00 departure ex Cork and a 17:55 ex LCY are too early for last flights if you want to pick up business traffic. You need to let people get as close to a day's work as possible.
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Disappointing news regarding CityJet to London City.
Have flown between Belfast and London City with FlyBe on the Bombardier Dash 8 many times, even connected there which is real easy at London City airport.
Maybe a lower cost turboprop service would be more suitable for this route.
Would be great if FlyBe took up this route or maybe even Stobart on the ATR.
Luton could also be an opportunity for Cork now that VLM is bankrupt and probably will cut the Waterford-London Luton service soon.
Have flown between Belfast and London City with FlyBe on the Bombardier Dash 8 many times, even connected there which is real easy at London City airport.
Maybe a lower cost turboprop service would be more suitable for this route.
Would be great if FlyBe took up this route or maybe even Stobart on the ATR.
Luton could also be an opportunity for Cork now that VLM is bankrupt and probably will cut the Waterford-London Luton service soon.
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Some posters need to get real about the pax market of 7000/month when loads are practically less than half that at rock bottom fates. There were plenty of rotations between airports and it did not work so life goes on. Not all cancellations were the airlines fault- who the fcuk would build an airport on the side of a hill with plenty of flat land available in the Midleton area as originally proposed- consequences of this will always be suffered.
Marketing by the airline and knocking on the doors of businesses was full on and based on requirements for this route and loads it was going to be canned for some time. If ever an airline put effort into a new route from Cork, Cityjet beat them hands down in that area.
That route resembles the Cork hurling team over the last ten years- plenty of support but no cups
Marketing by the airline and knocking on the doors of businesses was full on and based on requirements for this route and loads it was going to be canned for some time. If ever an airline put effort into a new route from Cork, Cityjet beat them hands down in that area.
That route resembles the Cork hurling team over the last ten years- plenty of support but no cups
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The CAA stats show that city jet carried over 6k passengers between ORK and LCY in March. They offered something in the region of 16k seats. The people of Cork have clearly spoken. ORK doesn't want a 'premium' product, 'free' bags and coffee. There's nothing wrong with that.
Looking at the numbers, if they had reduced the schedule to 2x daily on weekdays and x daily at the weekend (Saturday morning and Sunday evening) they would be offering 11,020 seats in March. They probably wouldn't have lost many passengers, either. The route must have been a dog, to say that reducing schedules, but still allowing day trips couldn't save it.
Looking at the numbers, if they had reduced the schedule to 2x daily on weekdays and x daily at the weekend (Saturday morning and Sunday evening) they would be offering 11,020 seats in March. They probably wouldn't have lost many passengers, either. The route must have been a dog, to say that reducing schedules, but still allowing day trips couldn't save it.