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FR looked at using SNN for transatlantic last year. The plan was to feed passengers from all over Europe into SNN to North America using the pre clearance in SNN to enable them to use the regional airports in the states. Given how tight they are capacity wise in Europe already, and that these aircraft would be making 2 flights a day transatlantic as opposed to several rotations a day in Europe with their 25 minute turn arounds, aswell as range restrictions on the NG, they decided against it. This may change when they get the 737 MAX.
I would be delighted to see ORK get a Westjet service, fingers crossed
I would be delighted to see ORK get a Westjet service, fingers crossed
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Ryanair already have a vast network from Europe and the U.K into Dublin. It'd be far easier for them to build a transatlantic hub from there rather than from Shannon or Cork. I still think Cork's best chance of a viable transatlantic service is with Aerlingus. Yes it would dilute their Shannon yield but they would gain passengers from United and Delta and also pick up those that travel with BA and others through LHR.
I'm not saying it's likely to happen but if I was a bookmaker I'd make them firm favourites to be first out of the traps if a service ever gets going.
I'm not saying it's likely to happen but if I was a bookmaker I'd make them firm favourites to be first out of the traps if a service ever gets going.
Due to lower charges and greater capacity in the pre clearance, it was SNN they looked at. Negotiations were going on at senior level, but FR decided against it.
EI out of ORK to JFK is plausible I suppose, but they didn't do it with their 767s, not doing it with their 757s, maybe with an A319 NEO if they go for them, who knows.
Hopefully some good news for ORK will come down the line soon, but it looks very much like they are in a scrap with SNN
EI out of ORK to JFK is plausible I suppose, but they didn't do it with their 767s, not doing it with their 757s, maybe with an A319 NEO if they go for them, who knows.
Hopefully some good news for ORK will come down the line soon, but it looks very much like they are in a scrap with SNN
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Connections through St John`s to onward destinations in North America would be key.
In terms of places that people from Cork might want to go, it's only really Toronto, Montreal and New York.
That's why I suggested that if a short route to eastern Canada was to work, Halifax might be a better destination. There at least it's possible to connect to most major cities in the north and east of North America.
they were given that information in order to try and play SNN and ORK off each other resulting in further operational advantages, maybe this time the DAA can place Cork in an even better one.
Surely you cant be suggesting that the DAA subsidize its subsidiary to undercut another for shame!
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Confused ATCO's post is one of the funniest posts I have seen on pprune in years! Ha, ha!
All most as good as the one about the Cork Hurling team which in the last few days has gone to Florida and the Dominican Republic on a well deserved rest after their tough Munster and All Ireland Championship games last summer.
The best bit is how they got to Heathrow to connect with their Florida bound flight. Wait for it, wait for it - The Cork Senior Huring team and I guess their WAGs and assorted hurling officials went to Dublin by surface transport on 30th December, 2013 and from there took a flight to Heathrow on the following day, 31st December, 2013.
They did all this and did not even send me a post card from Dublin Airport!
No wonder Cork Airport is so screwed and that the place is a laughing stock.
(Note: edited at 00.33 on 3/1/14 to fix date! Oops!)
All most as good as the one about the Cork Hurling team which in the last few days has gone to Florida and the Dominican Republic on a well deserved rest after their tough Munster and All Ireland Championship games last summer.
The best bit is how they got to Heathrow to connect with their Florida bound flight. Wait for it, wait for it - The Cork Senior Huring team and I guess their WAGs and assorted hurling officials went to Dublin by surface transport on 30th December, 2013 and from there took a flight to Heathrow on the following day, 31st December, 2013.
They did all this and did not even send me a post card from Dublin Airport!
No wonder Cork Airport is so screwed and that the place is a laughing stock.
(Note: edited at 00.33 on 3/1/14 to fix date! Oops!)
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Amsterdam used to call itself London's 3rd Airport, Maybe it's time Dublin called itself Cork's 2nd Airport given its newfound popularity with people from the Southern Capital!
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The Cork Senior Huring team and I guess their WAGs and assorted hurling officials went to Dublin by surface transport on 30th December, 2013 and from there took a flight to Heathrow on the following morning, 31st December, 2014.
Surely you cant be suggesting that the DAA subsidize its subsidiary to undercut another for shame!
For those interested EIN877 diverted to Shannon, pilot wasn't happy with the winds, EIN725 landed a short-time later with slightly higher winds although slightly reduced gusts. No other flights affected by the wind gusts tonight apart from 877.
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REA29M advising of possible emergency holding about 8mi out for an approach to 25, emergency vehicles positioning to hold on Runway 17.
Classic.
Nope,
Too well aware of how cross subsidization works.
Too well aware of how cross subsidization works.
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Emergency services from Cork County now headed to Cork Airport, this sounds increasingly serious.
He's now 17mi out still holding not making an approach, I do not want to speculate what has happened at this stage, unfortunately did not hear the transmission between the flight and tower.
He's now 17mi out still holding not making an approach, I do not want to speculate what has happened at this stage, unfortunately did not hear the transmission between the flight and tower.
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Down safely, flight had declared pan pan pan - still not sure why the reason for the county fire-brigade turning out. Currently being followed to stand by emergency services.
Down safely, flight had declared pan pan pan - still not sure why the reason for the county fire-brigade turning out. Currently being followed to stand by emergency services.
This has certain implications as per the airport major accident plan.
Airport fire services deploy to prearranged positions on the field.
The "local" (county/city) fire brigade units will either go to the airport or move to a preordained position neat the airport as per the major accident plan.
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The aircraft was covered in sea salt, Papa Gulf on stand 9 has engineers around it with its windows looking like they have a blanket of dirt on them, pilot is currently advising Cork Tower it's sea salt, I heard about such an incident in Shannon about a week back - This must be uncommon have never heard of such a problem before.
The pilots on 29M had ''extreme'' difficulty seeing on approach, fair play to them, outstanding pilots and a great calm attitude in an extremely dangerous situation. Kudos to you guys.
Cork's emergency plans currently dictates that on a may-day call all available emergency services at the airport and throughout the county part-take in the emergency protocol. Standard.
29M declared, ''Pan-Pan, Pan-Pan, Pan-Pan, standby.'' - 3 pans, meaning that the aircraft has an urgency but currently there is no immediate danger to the aircraft or passengers on-board. This was why I questioned the turnout of county emergency services, we had an Aer Lingus declare it before and basically the station just prepared to respond immediately, county were not called for assistance - I believe in this case, the urgency of the issue it was the right procedure to follow.
I would not be so sure, just to point out to Confused ATCO, he is showing signs of confusion, I never once mentioned subsidies, but yet he goes off embarking on a tirade that I did - Please view my post (http://www.pprune.org/8241112-post4737.html). What I was talking about, is a well known practice in the industry, for someone supposedly knowing what they talk about - They seem pretty new in the job.
The pilots on 29M had ''extreme'' difficulty seeing on approach, fair play to them, outstanding pilots and a great calm attitude in an extremely dangerous situation. Kudos to you guys.
Aircraft declared a "PAN PAN".
This has certain implications as per the airport major accident plan.
Airport fire services deploy to prearranged positions on the field.
The "local" (county/city) fire brigade units will either go to the airport or move to a preordained position neat the airport as per the major accident plan.
This has certain implications as per the airport major accident plan.
Airport fire services deploy to prearranged positions on the field.
The "local" (county/city) fire brigade units will either go to the airport or move to a preordained position neat the airport as per the major accident plan.
29M declared, ''Pan-Pan, Pan-Pan, Pan-Pan, standby.'' - 3 pans, meaning that the aircraft has an urgency but currently there is no immediate danger to the aircraft or passengers on-board. This was why I questioned the turnout of county emergency services, we had an Aer Lingus declare it before and basically the station just prepared to respond immediately, county were not called for assistance - I believe in this case, the urgency of the issue it was the right procedure to follow.
Jack, my gut feeling is that Confused ATCO is very much up to the mark and knows what he is on about very well.