IRELAND WEST AIRPORT KNOCK

[AerRyan]

The Flyglobespan service proved little. It originated in GLA and LPL, only stopped in NOC and wasn't daily.

There may be some market peak season, but not daily, which is what US services really need and faced with strong competition from DUB and SNN, no airlines would be willing to further dilute their yields by going to Knock.

That's my opinion.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

The Flyglobespan service proved little. It originated in GLA and LPL, only stopped in NOC and wasn't daily.

There may be some market peak season, but not daily, which is what US services really need and faced with strong competition from DUB and SNN, no airlines would be willing to further dilute their yields by going to Knock.

That's my opinion.

Agree don't thinks daily service but certainly a 3/4 week could work - the GLA / LPL legs were weak majority of traffic was knock related - the Norwegian one is interesting as they obviously intent on taking on the established carriers in Ireland - could see them doing a knock if cork goes well when it eventually gets up and running

[AerRyan]

The Norwegian point is interesting, but I'd still be unsure as to whether they would actually try Knock.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

The Norwegian point is interesting, but I'd still be unsure as to whether they would actually try Knock.

Knock makes more sense than cork given the close proximity of Shannon to cork and level of competition there - noc has whole north west potentially to capture - interesting times who knows - the world is changing !!

[AerRyan]

Population is alot higher in Cork. In fairness there's very few up in the north west.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

Population is alot higher in Cork. In fairness there's very few up in the north west.

Think you'll find there's much of a muchness - cork pop 511,000 Mayo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Sligo, Donegal and half of Galway (assuming south Galway chooses Shannon) is well over 500,000

[AerRyan]

There's a difference in catchment though.

Within 30mins are a lot more dedicated to the local airport. In Cork that's over quarter of a million, Knock is about 10 (okay maybe 20,000). I also don't believe the population of those counties even equal 500,000. A fair comparison would include Waterford, Kerry and half of Tipp for Cork.

[Kinocker]

I'm not sure that comparing airports based on a 30 minute travel time is particularly relevant in the case of Knock. Most of Knock's catchment isn't within 30 minutes drive of the airport - but they're not within 30 minutes drive of any other airport either. They're still people though, and they need to fly places. I wouldn't discount their business just because they live more than 30 minutes from an airport.

Overall Cork obviously does have a bigger catchment than Knock - and that is reflected in the respective airport passenger numbers - but I wouldn't agree that people who live 45 minutes or an hour or more from their nearest airport are any less 'dedicated' - as you put it - than anyone else.

[AerRyan]

If you live more than 30mins away, your choices are more open. Your more willing to travel to Dublin and what happens is people don't even look out of their regional (Shannon, Cork, Knock) and just go straight to Dublin.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

There's a difference in catchment though.

Within 30mins are a lot more dedicated to the local airport. In Cork that's over quarter of a million, Knock is about 10 (okay maybe 20,000). I also don't believe the population of those counties even equal 500,000. A fair comparison would include Waterford, Kerry and half of Tipp for Cork.

130,000 live in Mayo alone, Galway 250,000 check the stats out yourself if you 'don't believe it' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population

[confused atco]

the GLA / LPL legs were weak majority of traffic was knock related

Do you have a source for this?

[runawayedge]

Can't see this working for a number of reasons;

1. No potential for daily.
2. Seasonal demand only - suspect rock bottom yield
3. Zero business traffic.
4. Catchment area too limited. Galway catchment chooses Dublin then Shannon.
5. Departure fee at NOC.
6. No CBP
7. Lost opportunity to other profitable potentials.
8. Marketing costs of a three weekly for a couple of months to an unknown airport (in the US).

I could go on.

[Fly_bill]

Originally Posted by runawayedge

Can't see this working for a number of reasons;

1. No potential for daily.
2. Seasonal demand only - suspect rock bottom yield
3. Zero business traffic.
4. Catchment area too limited. Galway catchment chooses Dublin then Shannon.
5. Departure fee at NOC.
6. No CBP
7. Lost opportunity to other profitable potentials.
8. Marketing costs of a three weekly for a couple of months to an unknown airport (in the US).

I could go on.

Very valid points but you never know a Norwegian or a carrier like that could take a punt similar to what they planning at cork to shake up the market - the US market is very strong so if it's ever going to happen it will in the next couple of years

[AerRyan]

Wrong, galway catchment generally chooses SNN for TATL, due to lower prices, cheaper car parking and it being nearer

[Dreamliner_01]

Ryanair havd added an additional weekly rotation on day two from June to August on EMA service - no doubt in response to Flybe BHX launch - great Selection now to that part of the U.K. Now for people from the west and North West

[AerRyan]

Will be interesting to see numbers and LF's on the routes.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by AerRyan

Will be interesting to see numbers and LF's on the routes.

Absolutely probably too much capacity but that said this part of the U.K. Has always been strong from knock have more or Always had services to both airports even had two jets for s number of years when bmi baby were still around

[AerRyan]

Reduction in SNN-MAN should help at least.

[Kinocker]

Knock's 2015 passenger numbers were 689,080, a drop of 2%. On their website today they are predicting an increase of 3% to 710,000 next year, which would be a new record for the airport.

[Dreamliner_01]

Originally Posted by Kinocker

Knock's 2015 passenger numbers were 689,080, a drop of 2%. On their website today they are predicting an increase of 3% to 710,000 next year, which would be a new record for the airport.

Was expecting numbers to be a lot lower given they lost four to five routes last year obviously the UK routes etc performed very strongly - decent numbers in the end and great to see forecasting a record year this year