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Old 12th Jan 2012, 22:50
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Whatever way this service is crewed it's crucial that knock keeps this route and particularly aer lingus. It's great that people in the west now have a choice of airline to London.

The route seems to be pretty stable however this route needs publicity as when people think of knock they just think of ryanair.
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Old 12th Jan 2012, 23:29
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True, rarely see NOC on any of their advertising.

The new Aer Lingus "all in pricing" might make a difference. Perviously fare searches brought back €0-20 fares e/w, only to smack on €70+ in fees and charges and what not at the end which was off putting.

Quick search this evening returned very reasonable €55 "low" and €95 "Plus" (1 bag and seat selection) all in return fares.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 13:52
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AirExplore operated 734 charter NOC-TLS (Toulouse) for Connaught rugby team this weekend.

Article quoting airport MD Joe Gilmore with some new info:
WesternPeople: It’s up, up and away at Knock

-Sunway Turkey charter to operate every Sunday between September 16 and November 4 (Very short run, just testing the water?)

- EMA daily from end of March.

- STN will increase to double daily on Friday and Sundays. Finally!, no dates/times given, and not in booking system yet but hopefully late flights, they will be popular.

WesternPeople: It’s up, up and away at Knock
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 17:50
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Also hear that they will be a replacement summer service to Leeds/Bradford to be announced very shortly operating 3x weekly...
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 18:46
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So Flybe to add LBA. If Aer Lingus did drop LGW then would be sure BE would take it over.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 19:07
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I guess you could add BHX to that list too if the baby can't last.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 19:09
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Ture but I think Ryanair would look at it as well.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 19:14
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
So Flybe to add LBA. If Aer Lingus did drop LGW then would be sure BE would take it over.
I wouldn't be so sure at all. Gatwick is steadily increasing its charges and is pricing smaller-aircraft operators out. FlyBE is no longer building up its activity in LGW; on the contrary.
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Old 16th Jan 2012, 20:04
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Sounds like a very good news day for Knock. Stansted twice on Friday on Sunday is a big boost and will be a help to a lot of people working away from their families, hopefully it can continue into the winter so we don't end up with the same reduced opening hours that exist at the moment.

Leeds (3x weekly from May 5th according to the flybe thread) is a surprising one to be honest, I didn't think they'd want to affect their own route to Manchester - I thought maybe Newcastle would give them a bit more geographical separation between the two services. It is good news though and shows that IWAK were serious when they said recently they were trying to restore the route. A 738 wasn't sustainable on that route, hopefully a Q400 will be a better fit.

With all those new services and increased frequencies (LBA would make it 20 scheduled routes - can't be too far behind Shannon in terms of scheduled routes at this stage?) you would expect the pax numbers to go up by more than 10% next year - particularly if they can keep the double Stansteds going into the winter.
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 08:22
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Leeds confirmed, Q400 in booking system. Demand proven by FR but 738 too large. Press mentions 50,000 of Irish origin in the city so I guess they can make LBA niche work with the smaller aircraft while protecting MAN from others and freeing up capacity.

Curiously looking at the scheduled times it seems to be operating from a NOC based aircraft:

SUN NOC - LBA Dep 16:00, Arr 17:25
SUN LBA - NOC Dep 18:05, Arr 19:30

Presume it's a W but the times don't match up with EDI/MAN and it would seem odd to position aircraft 3xweekly?

Late operating hours would overlap with the FR STN news, fingers crossed.
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Old 17th Jan 2012, 12:49
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Would be nice to see that flight operate at that time as it would mean a Sunday evening departure to somewhere at around 8pm. Perhaps they will do a Ryanair on it though and change the times closer to the start date.

Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays are looking particularly busy at Knock this summer.
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Old 18th Jan 2012, 13:50
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Bumper Summer Ahead For Knock as Ryanair Announces Record Advance?

I would question the timing of the news.

On Monday it was announced that all airports would stay under the DAA, On Tuesday it was announced that none of the 28 new B737 would be based in Ireland and this today. Its no suprise bookings are up on last yaer but this is just PR for FR aginst the DAA and Dep of Transport.
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Old 18th Jan 2012, 14:57
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What is the story with flybe times to lba I presume they are a w from man or edi. No times up on noc website and no adjustments on timings from man and edi on flybe website.

Great news about fri & sun eve flights to stn !

The good news just keeps coming for knock
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Old 18th Jan 2012, 15:21
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Looks like either a timetable change for MAN or EDI or another route on its way yet to be announced?
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Old 18th Jan 2012, 15:31
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Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays are looking particularly busy at Knock this summer.
I took a look at the schedules, 26 scheduled movements Tue/Thu, Monday lowest at 16. To give an indication of weekly movements:

FR 48 189
BE 13 78
EI 7 174
WW 5 148
LH 1 90
Ch 3 180 (estimate based on mixed aircraft)

About 25350 average weekly scheduled capacity for Summer 2012:

Overall it doesn't look a lot busier than last year despite the new routes. Some charters gone, 2 BE routes are replacements, and some FR sun frequencies down.

Bumper Summer Ahead For Knock as Ryanair Announces Record Advance
Major Failte Ireland marketing campaign will have helped. Must be a first to have a Ryanair press release praise a politican!

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Old 18th Jan 2012, 20:20
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FR 48 189
BE 13 76
EI 7 178
WW 5 138
LH 1 90
Cht 3~ 189

About 25300 total weekly scheduled capacity for Summer 2012:
If those are the seat numbers besife the airlines?

BE almost certain its 78 seats
EI is 174

And could you explain the charters, not 3 weekly and all not B737-800.
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Old 18th Jan 2012, 22:46
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And could you explain the charters
Just an estimate based on web search:

ACE -----s- (Air Europa likely 180 seat 738) Jun-Sep
DBV --w---- (no airline listed) Jun-Oct
ADB ------s (Onur Air likely 180 seat 320) Sep-Nov
DBV/LIS/LDE/XRY on different dates (Joe Walsh tour pilgrimage charters)

3 a week looks about average.

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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 00:37
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Just after looking at the airports facebook page and Flybe were looking for €1,300 yes you are not seeing things! for 2 adults and 2 children for return to EDI.
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 00:47
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I would say that was pricing the edi flight via Manchester which tends to be way more expensive than the direct routing.

I know somebody who is from Dublin and istravelling from knock to Tenerife in march and ryanair were 500 cheaper for 4people than aerlingus were from Dublin. It was even way cheaper than ryanair from dub.
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Old 22nd Jan 2012, 10:38
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I know somebody who is from Dublin and istravelling from knock to Tenerife in march and ryanair were 500 cheaper for 4people than aerlingus were from Dublin. It was even way cheaper than ryanair from dub.
Does that include the €10 to the airport and cost of parking, fuel etc.

NOC will always be cheeper than DUB as you average person near DUB will not look at any other airport and airlines know this and they can get more money out of people.
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