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Old 8th Nov 2006, 20:05
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I think this is what mainline guys and BALPA would like and are gunning for.These aircraft are operating out of a London airport and as such are covered by the Scope agreement. Whether this happens of course is another thing.

I'm sure Willy we be overjoyed to pay mainline pay rates for RJ pilots currently earning BACON pay.

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Old 9th Nov 2006, 00:39
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BA in effect becomes BOAC (or London Airways) operating long haul with euro & regional connecting flights to long haul from T5.
Yes, I could not agree more!! In fact, I have been saying this for about five years. From the moment the 'Shape & Size' project started, I have predicted that a BEA/BOAC split would emerge. When they stated that they would not split and wished to retain the regions and feeders, I said in PPRuNe that it was a decision that would be revisited until they got the 'right' answer.

That answer has now emerged and can be of little surprise. Not nice for the staff I agree - but of little surprise.
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Old 10th Nov 2006, 09:32
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Flybe have requested slots at DUS for a daily Q400 EXT-DUS service for next summer. Looks like a direct replacement for the BACON Junglejet on BRS-DUS.

If Flybe will take over some other BACON routes at DUS, they will become a pretty regular sight at DUS with quite a few daily flights to SOU, EXT, BHX, MAN and - as rumoured elsewhere - NCL.
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Old 10th Nov 2006, 19:11
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Watch out for SOU to BCN, CDG and one of the Milan airports in the not to distant future.
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Old 11th Nov 2006, 11:41
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Flybe have requested slots at DUS for a daily Q400 EXT-DUS service for next summer. Looks like a direct replacement for the BACON Junglejet on BRS-DUS.

If Flybe will take over some other BACON routes at DUS, they will become a pretty regular sight at DUS with quite a few daily flights to SOU, EXT, BHX, MAN and - as rumoured elsewhere - NCL.
What's the source of this info? Is there a way of checking on slot applications?
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Old 11th Nov 2006, 13:35
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Sorry to offend any BACON staff but we new this was a day to come, but what is going to happen to us mainline staff? They can't just turf us out because of BACON not making any money!!!! Iy's not our fault!!!
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Old 11th Nov 2006, 22:21
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Nicola1404 harsh reality time no BACON means that you have little work to do, and mainline are not gonna pay for you to sit around doing nothing all day! Harsh i know but thats the reality of the the situation we all find ourselves in .
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Old 11th Nov 2006, 22:40
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Sorry Nicola, but I think mainlaine staff in the regions are in far bigger doo doo than any of the Connect people
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Old 11th Nov 2006, 23:17
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Sorry Nicola, but I think mainlaine staff in the regions are in far bigger doo doo than any of the Connect people
Sadly Nicola, unfortunately it is true. Its now known that when BACON go to flybe, mainline services from the likes of Edinburgh (although you may not work there I might as well just give an example), will be London City, Heathrow, Gatwick, Madrid and Rome (Not enough work will be left for groundworkers ie-check in staff, baggage handlers, truck drivers etc). It may not seem right to mainline staff that they should have to suffer because of some stupid, pathetic, unprofitable mess of BA Connect, but its now reckoned, sadly, that around half of mainline based staff in EDI, GLA, MAN, NCL, INV, ABZ, and any other base were BACON AND BA both operate, will be REDUNDANT by March the 25th next year. The other half will be lucky to get into flybe, but the trouble is that nobody knows which half they're in

All BA seem to care about long term is Terminal 5, and I'd say, in years to come, Gatwick will be next to go. British Airways only care about London, they're operation in years to come won't even be British.


A renaming to LONDON AIRWAYS?
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Old 12th Nov 2006, 00:50
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Could it be a good time for Thomson Fly to change its name back to something like Britannia Airways and paint their aircraft red white and blue with a big Union Jack somewhere on the airframe.

A good publicity move I would think.

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Old 12th Nov 2006, 10:28
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Don't think Thomson Fly will revert back to Britannia. the airline is to be merged with Hapag Lloyd and Hapag Lloyd Express to create a pan-european airline. In turn TUI are holding talks over a joint operation with Air Berlin.
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Old 12th Nov 2006, 10:47
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What's the source of this info? Is there a way of checking on slot applications?
In Germany you can check them on the slot coordinator's website. DUS-timings for the EXT flight are 1420-1520, equipment is a Q400, flight numbers BE1993/1994.

Interestingly enough, I have only been able to find one daily SOU flight for the summer, so it could be that it might go back from two flights in the winter (evening departure, 1815-1845, BE1895/6) (other reason could be that the morning slot has already been cleared and taken off the waitinglist).

At MUC, Flybe has requested slots for two daily SOU flights with E195s (BE1721/1722 and 1727/1728). However, requested and cleared times currently differ by two hours, so it looks rather unlikely.

At FRA, Flybe has requested slots for four (!) daily SOU flights with E195s as well (BE1851 - 1858). No slots allocated so far.

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Old 12th Nov 2006, 17:58
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Old 12th Nov 2006, 18:28
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Summer 07 from BHX to ALC ? Hurry up please !

Hope they have a pm slot like last summer (15:10)
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Old 12th Nov 2006, 18:40
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I am not totally convinced that Flybe will keep the ALC or AGP now that
they have taken the BACON flights and disposed of FAO & MJV (for the winter).

All the statements have been claiming that they will be returning the
BACON aircraft asap and if that is the case I am not even sure that they
will want the aircraft out for 5-6 hours when they can get four sectors in to
Germany or France.

I think BHX will hope that they will not return and the aircraft are directed to new routes. New destinations...BHX......well probably not

Pete

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Old 12th Nov 2006, 19:32
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Gulp !

And I was hanging on for their availability as they were better than WW and ZB last summer.

This is going to cost me for holding out !

Your logic is sound - gutted if true the Easter and Summer flights with the other 2 have gone up considerbaly since they released.

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Old 13th Nov 2006, 09:00
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Sorry to offend any BACON staff but we new this was a day to come, but what is going to happen to us mainline staff? They can't just turf us out because of BACON not making any money!!!! Iy's not our fault!!!
Nicola - excuse my ignorance but how do BACON and main line staff interact? Do you look after pax check in etc?
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Old 13th Nov 2006, 09:13
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BA staff braced for job cuts after sale
TERRY MURDEN
BRITISH Airways staff in Scotland expect to hear of job cuts this week following the sale of BA Connect to cheap flights rival Flybe.
The company said the sale would have a "significant impact on BA ground handling activities" and it is feared that as many as 150 of the 434 staff could be axed.
BA Connect represents 53% of BA's Edinburgh flights, 35% of those going through Glasgow and 25% in Aberdeen. The Edinburgh figure is inflated as it includes London City flights which will be retained. Manchester's 300 staff are also affected and the cabin crew base will close.
A senior BA manager will meet staff in the three Scottish cities this week and it is expected that jobs will go by the time the handover of BA Connect goes through next March.
The company sold its loss-making subsidiary to Flybe last week after declaring that it no longer sat comfortably in its strategy.
Without significant investment it was unlikely to become profitable. It lost 20m in the last financial year and 6m in the first half of this year.
Most of the 1,900 staff are expected to transfer over to the new owner.
It is not yet known if all routes and services will be retained as there may be some duplication.
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Old 13th Nov 2006, 18:36
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Yeah thats true meetings this week in Gla & Edi so will be thinking of them !

Whats going to happen to the INV-LGW and IOM-LGW and will they come back into Mainline ?
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Old 13th Nov 2006, 21:15
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IOM/INV-LGW go to Flybe
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