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Agree, the LGWs 744s are looking a tad tired inside, while being fairly young. There was talk last year about replacements being ordered, but it may have been more to do with high fuel prices and the onset of major maintenance. With oil prices dropping, and the major maintenances needed anyway, maybe they'll hold what they have.
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Not true -
As proficient Ppruner and expert "would-be" wannabee, there is a shortage of pilots.
And all airlines will be hiring 2,000 pilots with 250 hrs next 6 months.
xxx
Happy contrails
As proficient Ppruner and expert "would-be" wannabee, there is a shortage of pilots.
And all airlines will be hiring 2,000 pilots with 250 hrs next 6 months.
xxx
Happy contrails
No numbers announced for each operational area YET but thats not to say its not been decided how many will go, until I see it in print I wont believe any of the rumours about where will be hit hardest.
Good luck out there.
Good luck out there.
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I really don't think BALPA told you the number is 150!!!!! Sounds very much like sabre rattling on your part. Why don't you wind your neck in instead of spouting off made up figures.
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Spoke to a mate while he was over here in HK. Says its a media feeding frenzie and they are all in it to give Dickie a bad press, Dont bite.Dickie aint going to do anything, its his brand, his passion his love.He has deep pockets, like MOL, its just a downturn after all.
2001 was different, with the guys furloughed, I doubt there many crew this time.
Who would respect him any more?
2001 was different, with the guys furloughed, I doubt there many crew this time.
Who would respect him any more?
Jan 11 Airbus Incident
RTÉ News: Aircraft report finds 'significant' issues
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0213/airbus-report.pdf
History of the Flight
The aircraft was routing from Heathrow to Chicago on a scheduled flight. At approx 12.13 hrs, some 140 nm west of Galway, the cabin crew reported a small fire in the bottom of the waste bin storage compartment of the bar unit in the Upper (First) Class area. The fire was located in a hole in the floor of the compartment. The crew noted that a damaged electric cable loom appeared to emanate from this hole. Arcing was observed in the hole.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0213/airbus-report.pdf
History of the Flight
The aircraft was routing from Heathrow to Chicago on a scheduled flight. At approx 12.13 hrs, some 140 nm west of Galway, the cabin crew reported a small fire in the bottom of the waste bin storage compartment of the bar unit in the Upper (First) Class area. The fire was located in a hole in the floor of the compartment. The crew noted that a damaged electric cable loom appeared to emanate from this hole. Arcing was observed in the hole.
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CVA, Have you lost your tongue? What a lot of tosh you talk.
Everyone else:
Here's the latest odds.
Forced Pilot Redundancies: 6/4
Not a single Pilot made Redundant: 4/7
Unlikely in my opinion that anyone will be forced out.
Everyone else:
Here's the latest odds.
Forced Pilot Redundancies: 6/4
Not a single Pilot made Redundant: 4/7
Unlikely in my opinion that anyone will be forced out.
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Lots of companies are looking at voluntary redundancy at the moment.
If you sit back and think about it the change of retirement age has left alot of senior Captains, sitting on high wage bills, at the top of the tree for a possible extra 10 years. In the current downturn it makes financial sense to offer a voluntary redundancy package to those pilots who would normally have expected to be in retirement by now anyway.
That way the more expensive pilots are released from the top of the tree and the less senior and 'cheaper' (relative word) pilots get moved up the seniority from below but not forward on the salary scales. Pain of the redundancy package costs last possibly max 1 year then you have a cheaper workforce.
Wouldn't be surprised to see more companies announcing 'redundancies' soon.
Time will tell.
If you sit back and think about it the change of retirement age has left alot of senior Captains, sitting on high wage bills, at the top of the tree for a possible extra 10 years. In the current downturn it makes financial sense to offer a voluntary redundancy package to those pilots who would normally have expected to be in retirement by now anyway.
That way the more expensive pilots are released from the top of the tree and the less senior and 'cheaper' (relative word) pilots get moved up the seniority from below but not forward on the salary scales. Pain of the redundancy package costs last possibly max 1 year then you have a cheaper workforce.
Wouldn't be surprised to see more companies announcing 'redundancies' soon.
Time will tell.
I'm sure Companies like BA would love to reduce the number of pilots on the higher payscales but with airlines "burning cash" right now how do they fund the redundancy packages for the senior guys?
Sadly it's probably cheaper to introduces some form of short time/enforced part-time working across the board....either that or there is indeed the spectre of compulsary redundancies.
Sadly it's probably cheaper to introduces some form of short time/enforced part-time working across the board....either that or there is indeed the spectre of compulsary redundancies.
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Using BA's figures, 10-12% loss of revenue in a business where the good times produce only a 4-5% profit margin means that costs have to be cut to prevent the company losing its cash reserves - especially at a time when banks will only provide working finance at extortionate rates. I would imagine that pretty much every well-known airline is grappling with the same problem. Virgin has performed considerably better than BA over the last year (no full-service shorthaul to drag the numbers down), has little or no debt and a large cash pile (QF Steve Ridgway pronouncements over the last couple of months). It seems to be reacting cautiously and sensibly to the downturn that's affecting all of us, whatever industry we're in. Yes, there may be up to 600 redundancies. Equally, there may not. Many of those redundancies may be found by natural wastage (thinking about the normal turnover of, for instance, cabin crew), workshare, part-time working, career breaks, unpaid leave, early retirement or voluntary redundancy. Kicking people out on the street against their will is likely to be the last resort, and will hoepfully not happen.
Those of you who observe, look to your own jobs before taking prurient pleasure in the prospect of others losing theirs.
Those of you who observe, look to your own jobs before taking prurient pleasure in the prospect of others losing theirs.
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(no full-service shorthaul to drag the numbers down)
Watch where your figures come from Digitalis, whilst SH at BA many not be the cash cow for the company it does pull it's own weight and the majority of losses in revenue have been from the trans Atlantic long haul premium routes. Oddly enough exactly the same as Virgin. The main difference being that BA has other route structures to develop (far east, Middle east etc.) Virgin has a smaller non North Atlantic route structure to fall back on.
This downturn has hit all companies, not just the small ones and I am sure that the pain will be shared equally amongst all. Sad for anyone to lose a job and, hopefully, the upturn will come before it gets too bloody.
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It's sad that Virgin have had to make this decision. I know they will look for cutting hours, job share and voluntary first. There has been quite a large drop in passenger numbers and revenue for all airlines this includes cargo which is a huge worry. I have every faith that any decision made by Virgin or any airline will not be made lightly and losses will be kept at a minimum. The reality is we are in a fast changing world and like the wild only the strongest will survive. Let’s hope we can all pull together to encourage economic strength and some form of stability. Best wishes to all in this industry no matter what company.
Check here for fleet routings
Aircraft Database : V-Flyer: The Virgin Atlantic Flyer Resource
Looks like 747 G-VAST has operated quite a few of the Vegas flights
Aircraft Database : V-Flyer: The Virgin Atlantic Flyer Resource
Looks like 747 G-VAST has operated quite a few of the Vegas flights