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Crazy to turn Ryanair down? I really don't think so. Yes they bring passengers, but to the small regional airports it's usually at a cost and often a cost that the airport is just not able to recover ....
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Couple of links here with some short video clips from Matthew Hudson and Simon Caldar from ITV Anglia news about Stansted new ownership:
Promise of new investment at Stansted airport | Anglia - ITV News
Stansted now 'unshackled as Heathrow's poor relation' | Anglia - ITV News
Some interesting objectives it would seem...
Promise of new investment at Stansted airport | Anglia - ITV News
Stansted now 'unshackled as Heathrow's poor relation' | Anglia - ITV News
Some interesting objectives it would seem...
According to Wiki, RYR have over 300 a/c and in 2010 had a turnover of €3,013 million, with a profit of €339 million. All from airport subsidies?
Various commentators in the past have suggested that Bears should steer clear of green-eyed monsters....
Various commentators in the past have suggested that Bears should steer clear of green-eyed monsters....
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Again with a UK population of 59.8 million (at the last census)
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Various commentators in the past have suggested that without airport subsidies, Ryanair would not make a profit.
It's business, and it meets local government(!)
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racedo, just google 'Ryanair subsidies', you will find hundreds of articles which show 'local' european airports give their public money away to attract Ryanair. It's great for thier local ecomonies but that is the way things work, or don't work in europe.
A subsidy could be seen as a backhander, bribe or even blackmail in some eyes.
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It's gone awfully quiet regarding Stansted for the last couple of weeks, but you know what they say, no news is good news. My assumption is that MAG must be very busy talking to a number of airlines.
One thing that I will point out is that FR's cuts don't seem to be taking affect until 1st July. I'm sure they said April initially but that might be my mistake.
One thing that I will point out is that FR's cuts don't seem to be taking affect until 1st July. I'm sure they said April initially but that might be my mistake.
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So would you say the Govt and Local Authority subsidy in investing in infrastructure around Luton Airport is a bribe ?
My assumption is that MAG must be very busy talking to a number of airlines.
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quite how MAG target their resources will be interesting !
The US looks a non starter so growth can only be toward Asia.
By way of example with all Emirates flights full there are strong rumours of a 4th daily pax flight and dedicated cargo service at Manchester, would they seriously try scupper that and lure these flights to STN ?
Where would that leave the new MAN CEO ?
The US looks a non starter so growth can only be toward Asia.
By way of example with all Emirates flights full there are strong rumours of a 4th daily pax flight and dedicated cargo service at Manchester, would they seriously try scupper that and lure these flights to STN ?
Where would that leave the new MAN CEO ?
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When will EasyJet stop destroying Stansted!?
It is sad that I once remember not too long ago the 13 or 14 EasyJet aircraft at Stansted with routes to Alicante, Barcelona, Faro, Fuerteventura, Madeira, Tallinn and Geneva operating all-year not to mention up to 3 daily flights to Copenhagen, 2 to Munich, 4 to Amsterdam with Glasgow and Edinburgh up to 6 flights a day and up to 3 flights in the summer to Alicante, Faro, Malaga and Palma.
Now there's a much smaller choice of routes, a base half the size of Luton when it was once nearly on par and now has really poor timings and frequencies on many of the remaining routes. For example, for Malaga I now either have to be at check-in at 4am or passport control at 1am. There was once a midday flight leaving 12:30ish, perfect! What a classic way of throwing customers away! Looking at their winter 2013/14 schedule, there better be some big expansion plans in consideration to make the Stansted netwrok half descent!
Yes they recently opened new routes to Marrakech, Sharm El Sheikh and Sofia, but these are clearly an attempt to utilise aircraft for a longer period so it looks to consumers that they are expanding and introducing more routes when in fact they are replacing effectively two or three shorter flights with one much longer one, reducing the number of a/c movements and more importantly, passengers numbers and choice for consumers. A clever way of doing business some would say, but I for one feel a sly move like this insults the intelligence of those who have some knowledge about the industry and really makes me wonder what kind of customers they are trying to attract.
The best of it is that the CEO Ms McCall categorically said that Stansted would lose 3 aircraft in summer 2012 as a result of the new base in Southend, but more efficient use of the fleet would mean capacity would not necessarily be lost at Stansted. A bare faced lie of course as only 2 years after, not only 3 but 5 or 6 aircraft have been removed! Essex overall is actually worse off than it was before!
The main problem is that I don’t think enough people are aware of the volume of EasyJet traffic that has been removed from Stansted. If a 4 a/c base at Southend really damages Stansted to the extent of close to 20 fewer departures per day in the summer of 2013 compared to summer 2011 and the loss of 5 or 6 aircraft, they really have got themselves a serious problem. Either that or the CEO intentionally lied to its customers!
Of course we can’t realistically expect EasyJet to publicise a big cut back in Stansted (although of course Ryanair does) but the fact that EasyJet don’t have the decency to even give reasons for possible Stansted cut backs and most atrociously lie by saying there won’t be any really is a disgusting way of doing business. Not telling is different from lying. I for one never appreciate a company that lies. I just hope for their sake that they don’t continue to fool their customers and risk losing their trust and their custom once and for all in a forever shrinking catchment area they have!!!
Now there's a much smaller choice of routes, a base half the size of Luton when it was once nearly on par and now has really poor timings and frequencies on many of the remaining routes. For example, for Malaga I now either have to be at check-in at 4am or passport control at 1am. There was once a midday flight leaving 12:30ish, perfect! What a classic way of throwing customers away! Looking at their winter 2013/14 schedule, there better be some big expansion plans in consideration to make the Stansted netwrok half descent!
Yes they recently opened new routes to Marrakech, Sharm El Sheikh and Sofia, but these are clearly an attempt to utilise aircraft for a longer period so it looks to consumers that they are expanding and introducing more routes when in fact they are replacing effectively two or three shorter flights with one much longer one, reducing the number of a/c movements and more importantly, passengers numbers and choice for consumers. A clever way of doing business some would say, but I for one feel a sly move like this insults the intelligence of those who have some knowledge about the industry and really makes me wonder what kind of customers they are trying to attract.
The best of it is that the CEO Ms McCall categorically said that Stansted would lose 3 aircraft in summer 2012 as a result of the new base in Southend, but more efficient use of the fleet would mean capacity would not necessarily be lost at Stansted. A bare faced lie of course as only 2 years after, not only 3 but 5 or 6 aircraft have been removed! Essex overall is actually worse off than it was before!
The main problem is that I don’t think enough people are aware of the volume of EasyJet traffic that has been removed from Stansted. If a 4 a/c base at Southend really damages Stansted to the extent of close to 20 fewer departures per day in the summer of 2013 compared to summer 2011 and the loss of 5 or 6 aircraft, they really have got themselves a serious problem. Either that or the CEO intentionally lied to its customers!
Of course we can’t realistically expect EasyJet to publicise a big cut back in Stansted (although of course Ryanair does) but the fact that EasyJet don’t have the decency to even give reasons for possible Stansted cut backs and most atrociously lie by saying there won’t be any really is a disgusting way of doing business. Not telling is different from lying. I for one never appreciate a company that lies. I just hope for their sake that they don’t continue to fool their customers and risk losing their trust and their custom once and for all in a forever shrinking catchment area they have!!!
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FRatSTN, you've made it quite clear in the past that you have a steadfast loyalty to Ryanair and an issue with easyJet, so maybe you should leave it there?
Do easyJet operate Public Service Obligation routes from Stansted? No. Are you an easyJet shareholder? I doubt it.
Therefore, moan as much as you like, but I honestly don't know what you expect to achieve. How about all of the times Ryanair have opened bases, thrown a fit at the airport authorities over high charges, and then left a load of passengers in the lurch? I'm thinking Belfast City as one good example. Just because Ryanair have been loyal to Stansted for a long time, and Stansted happens to be your preferred airport, does not mean that they haven't lied to and shafted people at many other airports across Europe in their time.
You may feel that easyJet have let us down at Stansted, but the last time I checked they were a private company in the business to make a profit. The last time I checked, they also made it in to the FTSE 100, and so they are quite clearly doing something right and keeping lots of passengers + shareholders happy. Unfortunately it seems that their future business plans do not involve Stansted as much as we'd like to, but running an airline is an ever evolving strategy and involves years and years of meetings/negotiations/forecasts/agreements between hundreds of different parties that me and you will never know about.
It's just one of those things - we should be pleased that easyJet are quite clearly doing very well in these difficult times and after all is said and done, move on and get over it.
Do easyJet operate Public Service Obligation routes from Stansted? No. Are you an easyJet shareholder? I doubt it.
Therefore, moan as much as you like, but I honestly don't know what you expect to achieve. How about all of the times Ryanair have opened bases, thrown a fit at the airport authorities over high charges, and then left a load of passengers in the lurch? I'm thinking Belfast City as one good example. Just because Ryanair have been loyal to Stansted for a long time, and Stansted happens to be your preferred airport, does not mean that they haven't lied to and shafted people at many other airports across Europe in their time.
You may feel that easyJet have let us down at Stansted, but the last time I checked they were a private company in the business to make a profit. The last time I checked, they also made it in to the FTSE 100, and so they are quite clearly doing something right and keeping lots of passengers + shareholders happy. Unfortunately it seems that their future business plans do not involve Stansted as much as we'd like to, but running an airline is an ever evolving strategy and involves years and years of meetings/negotiations/forecasts/agreements between hundreds of different parties that me and you will never know about.
It's just one of those things - we should be pleased that easyJet are quite clearly doing very well in these difficult times and after all is said and done, move on and get over it.
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FRatSTN, you've made it quite clear in the past that you have a steadfast loyalty to Ryanair and an issue with easyJet, so maybe you should leave it there?
How about all of the times Ryanair have opened bases, thrown a fit at the airport authorities over high charges, and then left a load of passengers in the lurch? I'm thinking Belfast City as one good example.
Just because Ryanair have been loyal to Stansted for a long time, and Stansted happens to be your preferred airport, does not mean that they haven't lied to and shafted people at many other airports across Europe in their time.
The EasyJet way of "we're not neccessarily going to cut back" followed by a 40% reduction in 2 years and leaving people questioned as to whether a route has been axed or just not yet put on sale is a far cry from truthfullness and customer good will. If that is not lying and shafting people then I really don't know what is. It seems to be there's one rule for Ryanair yet another for EasyJet!
You may feel that easyJet have let us down at Stansted, but the last time I checked they were a private company in the business to make a profit.
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U2 and FR: London airports
It's fairly obvious what's happened, U2 is dominant at LTN and LGW, FR has a relatively small operation at these airports. FR dominates at STN and U2 is progressively running down its operation there.
U2 is at SEN and FR isn't, so there's another reason to reduce its presence at STN. Neither is at LCY and LHR.
The alternative would be go head-to-head at three London airports and see who blinks first! What's the point?
U2 is at SEN and FR isn't, so there's another reason to reduce its presence at STN. Neither is at LCY and LHR.
The alternative would be go head-to-head at three London airports and see who blinks first! What's the point?
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Whether or not I like EasyJet is a irrelavent, but FYI I don't dislike EasyJet, I just prefer Ryanair. The "issue" I have with EasyJet is their continued reduction at Stansted.
Maybe Ryanair get bigger discounts than easyjet and easyjet has had enough?
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I think they only came to Stansted in the first place when they bought Go so
maybe their heart has never been in the place
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