A380 Issues
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So no one is publicly questioning the fact that wiring is the alleged cause of a now 24 month delay ?
EADS shareholders should demand an inquiry. I would think that the entire town of Toulouse could be re-wired in that amount of time.
EADS shareholders should demand an inquiry. I would think that the entire town of Toulouse could be re-wired in that amount of time.
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Wouldn't back to the drawing board be a likely first step before restarting wiring?
No matter how many people are assigned to doing the actual wiring, three wires won't go through a hole only large enough for two.
No matter how many people are assigned to doing the actual wiring, three wires won't go through a hole only large enough for two.
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From: Europe
Big White Elephant springs to mind: And Mr Boeing is quitetly building the B74/8 !!!! Interesting times ahead. !!
Note: Not many U/S Airports are having a facelift to accomadate the A380 - could an indiscriminate " Concord" action be underway !!
Note: Not many U/S Airports are having a facelift to accomadate the A380 - could an indiscriminate " Concord" action be underway !!
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From: still in bed
Launching 777 in 1990 United forced Boeing to “treat us at a new level of respect (to) work with us to deliver something(never)delivered before(:a)service-ready airplane (that)works” K.Sabbagh,21st.Century Jet,Scribner,96,P53: that author had "access".
Very grizzled Ppruners remember concrete tie-downs on a couple of dozen 747-100 gliders, Everett, 1970. That got fixed and the type transformed all our lives. Don't gloat about A380, just wait for the same outcome.
Very grizzled Ppruners remember concrete tie-downs on a couple of dozen 747-100 gliders, Everett, 1970. That got fixed and the type transformed all our lives. Don't gloat about A380, just wait for the same outcome.
As tornadoken said the 747 changed the history the Concorde the air travel untill her first and only one crash.
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Accodring to this Bloomberg article , the problem is largely caused by incompatible CAD software used in German and French offices. This made it nearly impossible to propagate changes made by the German team to the French virtual mock-up and vice versa, and so there were several different design versions in use simultaneously.
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From: Surrounded by aluminum, and the great outdoors
Looks to be lack of standardization with software, and connectors/installation tools..inevitable when so many "cooks" are stirring the broth..not as much a design fault..an organization fault..the idea to shift all to toulouse while disappointing, might solve this type of issue...lets see what happens with the 787, this could be interesting as well...
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Vapilot2004.
Interesting observation about the non-computer design of the original 747.
As for old versus newer technology, I told a young gentleman boarding our plane that the machine has no computers to fly it, and he said : "Oh that is encouraging"
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Will Airbus continue to have two executives in each upper management job?
One was raised more on schnitzel or spaetzle, and the other partly on crepes? How can this produce efficiency?
Interesting observation about the non-computer design of the original 747.
As for old versus newer technology, I told a young gentleman boarding our plane that the machine has no computers to fly it, and he said : "Oh that is encouraging"
.Will Airbus continue to have two executives in each upper management job?
One was raised more on schnitzel or spaetzle, and the other partly on crepes? How can this produce efficiency?
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From: Stuck in the middle...
Accodring to this Bloomberg article , the problem is largely caused by incompatible CAD software used in German and French offices. This made it nearly impossible to propagate changes made by the German team to the French virtual mock-up and vice versa, and so there were several different design versions in use simultaneously.
Don't you think they would've figured this out before the first billion euros had been spent??!! "Oh, une moment, sil vous plait monsieur Fritz, our ordinateurs don't seem to be able to parle with each other very well, zis picture you've emailed me is upside-sous".
Gauteng Pilot,
Shows why you should listen to Radio 4!!
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That really surprised me, and perhaps now I know why ....
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Lucky Taxpayer
No doubt ultimately it will be taxpayers who cover this balls up. Even if BAe are out, the stake of the French Government in EADS will no doubt ensure that our euros and pounds continue to support French arrogance. A Maginot line of design-didn't see that one coming from behind!
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would explain german VAT rising from 16% to 19%, too
funny thing is, plans to withdraw A380 production from Hamburg to Toulouse stir unrest in Germany as well as the same plans, giving A320 production from Toulouse to Hamburg in compensation, make the French unhappy
funny thing is, plans to withdraw A380 production from Hamburg to Toulouse stir unrest in Germany as well as the same plans, giving A320 production from Toulouse to Hamburg in compensation, make the French unhappy
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From: Stuck in the middle...
Not that it's definitive, but the documentary I saw on the assembly of the first one had the engineers trying to attacth the tailcone to the main structure of the tail. And it was a good 5mm or so out in diameter and so wouldn't fit without a lot of grunting and pushing and stretching.
That really surprised me, and perhaps now I know why ....
That really surprised me, and perhaps now I know why ....
Will be interesting to see what happens when they get their tide tables for the Garonne a bit awry!
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From: UK
This is a sad mess indeed, but they are just about to build the last A300 after a run of 30 odd years, so in the end 12 months wont seem too bad.
From the little I have heard from someone at EADS, there have been some major issues involving IT at the design stages, that have caused some very expensive, in terms of time & money, problems. Not just cabin wiring.
I hope we will be able to look back at this as a glitch in an otherwise successful program.
From the little I have heard from someone at EADS, there have been some major issues involving IT at the design stages, that have caused some very expensive, in terms of time & money, problems. Not just cabin wiring.
I hope we will be able to look back at this as a glitch in an otherwise successful program.
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From: France
No doubt ultimately it will be taxpayers who cover this balls up. Even if BAe are out, the stake of the French Government in EADS will no doubt ensure that our euros and pounds continue to support French arrogance. A Maginot line of design-didn't see that one coming from behind!
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Being a cynic, does this mean that the delays will mean that the World's airports will be ready in time to take the A380? I recall that Airbus were talking about stretching the A380-has this plan now been scuppered or will it be raised once the wiring problems are resolved?
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From: fairly close to the colonial capitol
Quoting myself:
After reading more about the CATIA situation the true scope of the problem becomes very clear. The difference between this issue and the mere physical wiring of the aircraft is exponential.
To have the collective work of engineers and skilled labour (on the flagship no less) dashed by poor oversight is just pitiful.
Project management should be skinned alive for this.
So no one is publicly questioning the fact that wiring is the alleged cause of a now 24 month delay ?
To have the collective work of engineers and skilled labour (on the flagship no less) dashed by poor oversight is just pitiful.
Project management should be skinned alive for this.
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