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Quite a contrast with the positively chilled out attitude of the Lufthansa CEO, who said last week that despite the delays to A380 deliveries, the airline was still considering ordering more of them, and that such problems were "to be expected" with projects of this nature...
SIA just want more compensation $$$$ methinks.
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Mary P, I don't understand your point - it seems a bit silly, really doesn't it? Would you rather buy a BMW or a Buick? Would you reject the BMW because it isn't American? Just beacuse something is American doesn't make it the only choice, does it? What a bizarre way of looking at things.
As for SQ - looks like posturing to get either earlier delivery slots for their additional 9 or more compensation for their additional 10, really. At the end of the day, they need aircraft of that size and the 747-8I just isn't big enough for them (or "sexy" enough for them, come to that - image is everything after all!)
As for SQ - looks like posturing to get either earlier delivery slots for their additional 9 or more compensation for their additional 10, really. At the end of the day, they need aircraft of that size and the 747-8I just isn't big enough for them (or "sexy" enough for them, come to that - image is everything after all!)
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In name only, mate. A few sops to those who also counts les rosbifs as foes (or at least have had at some point in their histories), but locating HQ in Le 5th Republique wasn't the result of bits of paper drawn from a hat. It's the old Aerospatiale infrastructure with a few hangers-on roped in because the French knew that after the Mercure, even their treasury wouldn't have been able to cope with the A300 failing.
Why do you think it's been (and will continue to be) run by French men - when maybe getting in an unrelated outsider (from wherever) might just be the appropriate way to clean up the current mess?
Sure, Boeing has always been run by yanks, but one look at the performance of their respective stockmarket indices would tend to suggest a rather deeper talent pool in the US. After having gone through three CEOs in six months, a reasonable, independent Board should be casting the net rather wider than they appear to have.
And no, this is not a dig at Airbus aircraft, more a comment on the corporate governance (or apparent lack thereof) at the 'European' enterprise. And the Netherlands HQ is a tax wheeze.
Why do you think it's been (and will continue to be) run by French men - when maybe getting in an unrelated outsider (from wherever) might just be the appropriate way to clean up the current mess?
Sure, Boeing has always been run by yanks, but one look at the performance of their respective stockmarket indices would tend to suggest a rather deeper talent pool in the US. After having gone through three CEOs in six months, a reasonable, independent Board should be casting the net rather wider than they appear to have.
And no, this is not a dig at Airbus aircraft, more a comment on the corporate governance (or apparent lack thereof) at the 'European' enterprise. And the Netherlands HQ is a tax wheeze.
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First profitable A380 superjumbo will now be the 421st sold, Airbus says
By Richard Blackden
Bloomberg News
Airbus, the world's largest maker of commercial aircraft, conceded today that the chances of making a profit on the 555-seat A380 model slipped years into the future because of cost overruns and production delays.
The planemaker will reach the breakeven point in the program with the delivery of the 420th A380, according to the latest analysis, compared with 270 aircraft in a 2005 business plan, Airbus said today in a report posted on the Web site of parent company European, Aeronautic Defense & Space (EADS).
Airbus has so far received orders for only 159 A380s and customers, angered by the delays, have threatened to cancel some contracts. Under current planning, Toulouse, France-based Airbus will deliver only 84 of the planes by 2010, compared with the 159 aircraft estimated as recently as June, with a total operating loss in the period of $6 billion.
EADS said Oct. 3 that the A380's first delivery is now scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2007, a year after the most recent plan and the third postponement in 16 months. The delays, first disclosed in June 2005, have prompted the departure of two top executives. Airbus estimated as recently as mid-2004 that the A380 would be profitable after 250 deliveries.
The A380's lifetime deliveries will total 751 aircraft, unchanged from a 2005 forecast, Airbus Chief Financial Officer Andreas Sperl said in the Web site report. That compares with 1,000 A380s that Airbus expected to sell over the model's half- century lifecycle in May 2004.
Airbus risks airlines making operating-cost comparisons with Boeing's smaller 787 model, which will be going into service about the same time, said Hans Weber, president of San Diego-based Tecop International, a consulting company.
Tecop has estimated Airbus will sell 496 A380s, including 43 freighter versions, through 2025, and "since we did this study in 2001, we think there are indications the number will be smaller," Weber said. The A380 is designed to serve routes linking large hub airports, while the 787 will allow more so- called point-to-point routes between less populated cities.
"There's only a relatively small number of routes in the world where hub-to-hub flying makes sense," Weber said. "That number has not increased, whereas the number of point-to-point flights has increased."
The A380 delays have carved "huge holes out of our resources," and "we have to take cost-cutting measures to compensate for this," EADS Co-Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders said at an aviation conference in Berlin today. "We don't want the A380 to be the last model we build. We want to keep making new airplanes."
The planemaker will centralize purchasing, seek more supplies from lower-cost countries, streamline and contract out component shipments and work to reduce spending on services, Airbus Senior Vice President of Financial Control Harald Wilhelm said in a separate presentation on EADS's Web site.
The German division of Airbus said Oct. 17 that it reduce the workweek, cut 14 percent of its temporary workforce and give employees who work overtime extra time off instead of additional pay in response to the A380 production delays.
Airbus will receive a "grace period" of one year if it can't repay German government loans on time because of the production delays, the Economy Ministry said in a written response to an opposition party question that was obtained today by Bloomberg News.
Shares of EADS in Paris fell 0.1 percent today. The stock is down 34 percent this year.
By Richard Blackden
Bloomberg News
Airbus, the world's largest maker of commercial aircraft, conceded today that the chances of making a profit on the 555-seat A380 model slipped years into the future because of cost overruns and production delays.
The planemaker will reach the breakeven point in the program with the delivery of the 420th A380, according to the latest analysis, compared with 270 aircraft in a 2005 business plan, Airbus said today in a report posted on the Web site of parent company European, Aeronautic Defense & Space (EADS).
Airbus has so far received orders for only 159 A380s and customers, angered by the delays, have threatened to cancel some contracts. Under current planning, Toulouse, France-based Airbus will deliver only 84 of the planes by 2010, compared with the 159 aircraft estimated as recently as June, with a total operating loss in the period of $6 billion.
EADS said Oct. 3 that the A380's first delivery is now scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2007, a year after the most recent plan and the third postponement in 16 months. The delays, first disclosed in June 2005, have prompted the departure of two top executives. Airbus estimated as recently as mid-2004 that the A380 would be profitable after 250 deliveries.
The A380's lifetime deliveries will total 751 aircraft, unchanged from a 2005 forecast, Airbus Chief Financial Officer Andreas Sperl said in the Web site report. That compares with 1,000 A380s that Airbus expected to sell over the model's half- century lifecycle in May 2004.
Airbus risks airlines making operating-cost comparisons with Boeing's smaller 787 model, which will be going into service about the same time, said Hans Weber, president of San Diego-based Tecop International, a consulting company.
Tecop has estimated Airbus will sell 496 A380s, including 43 freighter versions, through 2025, and "since we did this study in 2001, we think there are indications the number will be smaller," Weber said. The A380 is designed to serve routes linking large hub airports, while the 787 will allow more so- called point-to-point routes between less populated cities.
"There's only a relatively small number of routes in the world where hub-to-hub flying makes sense," Weber said. "That number has not increased, whereas the number of point-to-point flights has increased."
The A380 delays have carved "huge holes out of our resources," and "we have to take cost-cutting measures to compensate for this," EADS Co-Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders said at an aviation conference in Berlin today. "We don't want the A380 to be the last model we build. We want to keep making new airplanes."
The planemaker will centralize purchasing, seek more supplies from lower-cost countries, streamline and contract out component shipments and work to reduce spending on services, Airbus Senior Vice President of Financial Control Harald Wilhelm said in a separate presentation on EADS's Web site.
The German division of Airbus said Oct. 17 that it reduce the workweek, cut 14 percent of its temporary workforce and give employees who work overtime extra time off instead of additional pay in response to the A380 production delays.
Airbus will receive a "grace period" of one year if it can't repay German government loans on time because of the production delays, the Economy Ministry said in a written response to an opposition party question that was obtained today by Bloomberg News.
Shares of EADS in Paris fell 0.1 percent today. The stock is down 34 percent this year.
My own opinion is that Airbus needs to get cracking on the A350 in short order if they intend to remain competitive with Boeing in the coming decade.
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bmi take note - the A330 is readily available and in supply
Airbus woos Israeli airlines
By Zohar Blumenkrantz
European aircraft manufacturer Airbus is offering unprecedented package deals to El Al, Israir and Arkia in an attempt to woo them away from American company Boeing, TheMarker has learned.
The three Israeli airlines are each separately comparing the offers of Boeing and Airbus as part of their short- and long-term programs to upgrade equipment. Each company is planning to invest $300 million to $500 million.
One of the benefits Airbus is offering concerns fuel consumption. High-ranking officials from the European manufacturer provided the airlines with exact calculations of projected fuel consumption and attendant fuel costs. Airbus is prepared to commit to these projections and pay Israeli companies fines if fuel costs exceeds them.
Moreover, Airbus is ready to buy back the planes at the end of a specific period of time, to be agreed upon between the companies in advance. The manufacturer is also willing to award generous support packages to train pilots and maintenance personnel.
Airbus wants the Israelis to purchase its A-330 model, which is readily available and in supply, as well as its forthcoming A-350 model. Boeing is offering its new 787 model.
El Al sources acknowledged that the airline is negotiating with both companies, but had no more comments to make.
Arkia commented: "The company is indeed looking to equip itself with planes as part of its new strategic plan."
Israir also acknowledged it is looking into several options.
By Zohar Blumenkrantz
European aircraft manufacturer Airbus is offering unprecedented package deals to El Al, Israir and Arkia in an attempt to woo them away from American company Boeing, TheMarker has learned.
The three Israeli airlines are each separately comparing the offers of Boeing and Airbus as part of their short- and long-term programs to upgrade equipment. Each company is planning to invest $300 million to $500 million.
One of the benefits Airbus is offering concerns fuel consumption. High-ranking officials from the European manufacturer provided the airlines with exact calculations of projected fuel consumption and attendant fuel costs. Airbus is prepared to commit to these projections and pay Israeli companies fines if fuel costs exceeds them.
Moreover, Airbus is ready to buy back the planes at the end of a specific period of time, to be agreed upon between the companies in advance. The manufacturer is also willing to award generous support packages to train pilots and maintenance personnel.
Airbus wants the Israelis to purchase its A-330 model, which is readily available and in supply, as well as its forthcoming A-350 model. Boeing is offering its new 787 model.
El Al sources acknowledged that the airline is negotiating with both companies, but had no more comments to make.
Arkia commented: "The company is indeed looking to equip itself with planes as part of its new strategic plan."
Israir also acknowledged it is looking into several options.
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20 years ago Harry Stonecipher at Long Beach offered the MD-80 at cheap lease rates to the airlines - large TWA and AAL orders pulled the MD-80 program out of the fire.
But they were installing warmed-over JT8D's at a time Boeing went with a modern engine in the 733, and fuel prices were a BIG issue.
But they were installing warmed-over JT8D's at a time Boeing went with a modern engine in the 733, and fuel prices were a BIG issue.
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Big Deal! Airbus Customer Goes With Boeing For Long-Haul Planes
Big Deal! Airbus Customer Goes With Boeing For Long-Haul Planes
Wed, 01 Nov '06
TAM Orders Four 777s... Instead Of A340s
In what amounts to a major coup for Boeing, Brazil's TAM Airlines announced late Tuesday it has firmed up plans to acquire four Boeing 777-300ER airliners, with purchase options on four more airframes.
The Seattle Times reports the deal is worth approximately $1 billion at list price... but the significance of the order isn't about money. Rather, it's the fact a loyal Airbus customer has defected to the American planemaker for its long-haul needs, foregoing Airbus's four-engine A340.
TAM -- which before now has never ordered from Boeing -- is also Airbus's largest client in Latin America.
"The Boeing Company is pleased to be working with TAM, Brazil's largest airline, which flies both domestic and international routes," the company said in a news release. "Successful conclusion of on-going negotiations would result in the introduction of Boeing 777-300ER jetliners into the TAM fleet -- currently comprised of only Airbus A319/320s and A330s -- by the middle of 2008.
"TAM Airlines would become the first Latin American carrier to operate the popular 777-300ER," the planemaker added.
TAM's decision comes days after Emirates announced it will cancel its orders for 10 A340s. The carrier has said it plans to replace those orders with, you guessed it, 777s.
The 777 has soundly trounced the A340 in the orders column the past year, as carriers seeking a long-haul aircraft have opted for the more fuel-efficient plane.
"As one of the newest 777 jetliners in service, the 777-300ER has consistently demonstrated best-in-class reliability and unmatched fuel efficiency," said John Wojick, vice president, sales, Latin America and the Caribbean. "The performance by the 777-300ER will enable TAM to successfully serve passengers on long range routes at lower costs."
Wed, 01 Nov '06
TAM Orders Four 777s... Instead Of A340s
In what amounts to a major coup for Boeing, Brazil's TAM Airlines announced late Tuesday it has firmed up plans to acquire four Boeing 777-300ER airliners, with purchase options on four more airframes.
The Seattle Times reports the deal is worth approximately $1 billion at list price... but the significance of the order isn't about money. Rather, it's the fact a loyal Airbus customer has defected to the American planemaker for its long-haul needs, foregoing Airbus's four-engine A340.
TAM -- which before now has never ordered from Boeing -- is also Airbus's largest client in Latin America.
"The Boeing Company is pleased to be working with TAM, Brazil's largest airline, which flies both domestic and international routes," the company said in a news release. "Successful conclusion of on-going negotiations would result in the introduction of Boeing 777-300ER jetliners into the TAM fleet -- currently comprised of only Airbus A319/320s and A330s -- by the middle of 2008.
"TAM Airlines would become the first Latin American carrier to operate the popular 777-300ER," the planemaker added.
TAM's decision comes days after Emirates announced it will cancel its orders for 10 A340s. The carrier has said it plans to replace those orders with, you guessed it, 777s.
The 777 has soundly trounced the A340 in the orders column the past year, as carriers seeking a long-haul aircraft have opted for the more fuel-efficient plane.
"As one of the newest 777 jetliners in service, the 777-300ER has consistently demonstrated best-in-class reliability and unmatched fuel efficiency," said John Wojick, vice president, sales, Latin America and the Caribbean. "The performance by the 777-300ER will enable TAM to successfully serve passengers on long range routes at lower costs."
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jeff748:
This is the Rumours & News section of PPruNe. The man has posted news. I am sorry that you do not like the news that he has linked. but why attack the man?
Play the ball not the man.
This is the Rumours & News section of PPruNe. The man has posted news. I am sorry that you do not like the news that he has linked. but why attack the man?
Play the ball not the man.
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Do you mean " Thou shall not ever use speedbrakes, or else..." Kitely?
Schurely NOT!
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...see your PM's.
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Here is some good news for the aviation industry.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...219C9230081%7D
Play the ball not the man
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...219C9230081%7D
Play the ball not the man
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Singapore Orders Airbus A380 & A320
So thatīs 9 more firm orders for the A380, 6 more options and a possible 6 more on top of that. Helps counteract the doom and gloom around the programme a bit...
BBC: Singapore boost for troubled A380
Singapore Airlines is to buy another nine Airbus A380 jets, despite heavy production delays to the super-jumbo.
The airline, which already has an order for 10 A380s, said the deal included an option to buy six more of the planes. The order will come as welcome news for European planemaker Airbus, which has been hit by delivery delays to its flagship A380 project.
Singapore Airlines said it also planned to buy 20 smaller Airbus A320 aircraft, in a deal worth $1.33bn (Ģ675m). The airline said the narrow-body A320 planes would be used by its regional carrier Silk Air. The firm, which is expected to take delivery of its first heavily-delayed A380 jet in late 2007, added that it planned to lease 19 A330 aircraft from Airbus.
On Tuesday, Thai Airways said it was considering ordering six more double-decker A380 aircraft, following compensation talks between it and Airbus over delivery delays to its outstanding order for the plane. "Airbus has proposed a discount for the purchase of six more A380s. That is one of the options we are considering for the compensation," said Thai Airways president Apinan Sumanaseni......
BBC: Singapore boost for troubled A380
Singapore Airlines is to buy another nine Airbus A380 jets, despite heavy production delays to the super-jumbo.
The airline, which already has an order for 10 A380s, said the deal included an option to buy six more of the planes. The order will come as welcome news for European planemaker Airbus, which has been hit by delivery delays to its flagship A380 project.
Singapore Airlines said it also planned to buy 20 smaller Airbus A320 aircraft, in a deal worth $1.33bn (Ģ675m). The airline said the narrow-body A320 planes would be used by its regional carrier Silk Air. The firm, which is expected to take delivery of its first heavily-delayed A380 jet in late 2007, added that it planned to lease 19 A330 aircraft from Airbus.
On Tuesday, Thai Airways said it was considering ordering six more double-decker A380 aircraft, following compensation talks between it and Airbus over delivery delays to its outstanding order for the plane. "Airbus has proposed a discount for the purchase of six more A380s. That is one of the options we are considering for the compensation," said Thai Airways president Apinan Sumanaseni......
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Smart
While most airlines cramble for cover and think short term, SIA probably aquired those additional A380īs for rock bottom prices and they clearly have the long term picture.
If the A380 fails to live up to itīs expectations then the losses/risk for SIA will be within limits, but if it really takes off then they got themselfs 9 extra jets for a very good price.
Itīs called a win-win situation!
If the A380 fails to live up to itīs expectations then the losses/risk for SIA will be within limits, but if it really takes off then they got themselfs 9 extra jets for a very good price.
Itīs called a win-win situation!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
PARIS, Dec 21 (Reuters) - Australian airline Qantas ordered eight more A380 super jumbo planes from EADS subsidiary Airbus, taking its total order for the delay-hit 550-passenger plane to 20, Airbus said on Thursday.
It follows a decision by Singapore Airlines on Wednesday to order nine additional A380 planes.
Qantas also ordered an extra four Airbus A330-200 jets......
On the basis of catalogue prices, the A380 order represents over $2.4 billion and the A330-200 jest some $550 million but Airbus has been offering to supply additional A380 planes at a discount instead of paying penalties for delays.
"The A380 is clearly the most suitable aircraft for Qantas to meet passenger traffic growth on our dense long haul routes," Qantas chief executive officer Geoff Dixon was quoted as saying at a signing ceremony in Sydney....
It follows a decision by Singapore Airlines on Wednesday to order nine additional A380 planes.
Qantas also ordered an extra four Airbus A330-200 jets......
On the basis of catalogue prices, the A380 order represents over $2.4 billion and the A330-200 jest some $550 million but Airbus has been offering to supply additional A380 planes at a discount instead of paying penalties for delays.
"The A380 is clearly the most suitable aircraft for Qantas to meet passenger traffic growth on our dense long haul routes," Qantas chief executive officer Geoff Dixon was quoted as saying at a signing ceremony in Sydney....
