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It's just not true that tax payer money is keeping the Airport going.
The owners are, and investing in it.
It's not getting any public subsidies.
I think that Thanet is a very up and coming place, a property HOT SPOT.
I see investment going on all over the area, in new roads, shops and property , I am sure the Airport will do well in time.
Turner will do wonders for Margate.
I made an investment in Thanet and so are lots of others.
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Times change and Manston and Thanet will also, let's talk about Planes ,news
not all this doom and gloom move on .
The owners are, and investing in it.
It's not getting any public subsidies.
I think that Thanet is a very up and coming place, a property HOT SPOT.
I see investment going on all over the area, in new roads, shops and property , I am sure the Airport will do well in time.
Turner will do wonders for Margate.
I made an investment in Thanet and so are lots of others.
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Times change and Manston and Thanet will also, let's talk about Planes ,news
not all this doom and gloom move on .
Well Said
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Hi James-
Saw your post on another board where you told them Esperia could get their coaches from MSE to London in 55 mins.
Wow!
I would love to see the vehicle which can accomplish such a feat.
Saw your post on another board where you told them Esperia could get their coaches from MSE to London in 55 mins.
Wow!
I would love to see the vehicle which can accomplish such a feat.
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The free coach service is no longer mentioned on the website.
Esperia are meeting MSE management next week to discuss their flight programme. From what I've been told I'd say it's very interesting, but not quite what we expected.
Esperia are meeting MSE management next week to discuss their flight programme. From what I've been told I'd say it's very interesting, but not quite what we expected.
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Esperia Flights
New on Esperia web site
(Fly with Esperia, a low cost carrier to all U.K and E.U flights from £10. From 1st December 2006, daily flights with a fleet of three airplanes MD83, to a variety of destinations including Strasbourg, Dublin, Amsterdam, Berlin, Athens, Leeds, Blackpool, Rome, Milan, Cologne, Geneva, Naples, Barcelona, Thessaloniki, Prague, Vilnius, Riga, Budapest.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern European countries. You can make reservations and book tickets online, from the departure airport ticket desk or through your local travel agency, after 10.10.2006.)
No coach service from London Bridge
But also an Esperia TV channel on Hot Bird which will promote the Airline ?.
(Fly with Esperia, a low cost carrier to all U.K and E.U flights from £10. From 1st December 2006, daily flights with a fleet of three airplanes MD83, to a variety of destinations including Strasbourg, Dublin, Amsterdam, Berlin, Athens, Leeds, Blackpool, Rome, Milan, Cologne, Geneva, Naples, Barcelona, Thessaloniki, Prague, Vilnius, Riga, Budapest.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern European countries. You can make reservations and book tickets online, from the departure airport ticket desk or through your local travel agency, after 10.10.2006.)
No coach service from London Bridge
But also an Esperia TV channel on Hot Bird which will promote the Airline ?.
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MK flights
Snarfel posted this a few weeks back
"It seems that MK has been granted a UK AOC and that it could so resume flights to North America, after US authorities had lifted flights for Ghana-registered aircraft following the MK Halifax crash of October 2004. This should be a perfect opportunity for MK to cut back on flights to Ostend and to concentrate on Manston. At present 25 percent of MK movements within Europe are shorter than 200 miles (Manston-Ostend, 65 miles and Ostend-Luxemburg, 180 miles). This is an utmost waste of time and money. Recently MK has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Ostend authority, intending to intensify substantially as a ‘preferential partner’ its freight activities, however promising to schedule all operations during day time. Such intentions could also be held in Manston, provided MK be treated as a preferential partner. In the view of Manston in a pressing need for expansion, efforts to get much more MK flights might result in its survival, which at present doesn’t seem so evident."
MK have been running 4 flights a week recently, but this week (Sun-Sat) it will be 5 after today's lands. Given that loads are down because of the English growing season, can anyone throw any light on this increased activity?
"It seems that MK has been granted a UK AOC and that it could so resume flights to North America, after US authorities had lifted flights for Ghana-registered aircraft following the MK Halifax crash of October 2004. This should be a perfect opportunity for MK to cut back on flights to Ostend and to concentrate on Manston. At present 25 percent of MK movements within Europe are shorter than 200 miles (Manston-Ostend, 65 miles and Ostend-Luxemburg, 180 miles). This is an utmost waste of time and money. Recently MK has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Ostend authority, intending to intensify substantially as a ‘preferential partner’ its freight activities, however promising to schedule all operations during day time. Such intentions could also be held in Manston, provided MK be treated as a preferential partner. In the view of Manston in a pressing need for expansion, efforts to get much more MK flights might result in its survival, which at present doesn’t seem so evident."
MK have been running 4 flights a week recently, but this week (Sun-Sat) it will be 5 after today's lands. Given that loads are down because of the English growing season, can anyone throw any light on this increased activity?
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8th September
11th September
"a variety of destinations including Leeds, Athens, Budapest, Cologne, Thessaloniki, Toulouse, Amsterdam, Manston Kent, Berlin, Rome, Milan, Geneva, Barcelona, Prague, Riga."
So Strasbourg, Dublin, Blackpool, Naples and Vilnius have all disappeared in 3 days, and Toulouse has been added. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at today's meeting.
New on Esperia web site
(Fly with Esperia, a low cost carrier to all U.K and E.U flights from £10. From 1st December 2006, daily flights with a fleet of three airplanes MD83, to a variety of destinations including Strasbourg, Dublin, Amsterdam, Berlin, Athens, Leeds, Blackpool, Rome, Milan, Cologne, Geneva, Naples, Barcelona, Thessaloniki, Prague, Vilnius, Riga, Budapest.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern European countries. You can make reservations and book tickets online, from the departure airport ticket desk or through your local travel agency, after 10.10.2006.)
No coach service from London Bridge
But also an Esperia TV channel on Hot Bird which will promote the Airline ?.
(Fly with Esperia, a low cost carrier to all U.K and E.U flights from £10. From 1st December 2006, daily flights with a fleet of three airplanes MD83, to a variety of destinations including Strasbourg, Dublin, Amsterdam, Berlin, Athens, Leeds, Blackpool, Rome, Milan, Cologne, Geneva, Naples, Barcelona, Thessaloniki, Prague, Vilnius, Riga, Budapest.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern European countries. You can make reservations and book tickets online, from the departure airport ticket desk or through your local travel agency, after 10.10.2006.)
No coach service from London Bridge
But also an Esperia TV channel on Hot Bird which will promote the Airline ?.
"a variety of destinations including Leeds, Athens, Budapest, Cologne, Thessaloniki, Toulouse, Amsterdam, Manston Kent, Berlin, Rome, Milan, Geneva, Barcelona, Prague, Riga."
So Strasbourg, Dublin, Blackpool, Naples and Vilnius have all disappeared in 3 days, and Toulouse has been added. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at today's meeting.
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I'm afraid there is just no way that I can see Esperia working out - their website looks like it was designed for a school project and is written in pigeon English.
If they ever did get off the ground they would be flying to 16 destinations with 3 ageing aircraft, which would leave them in a fairly precarious situation if any tech issues were to arise. All of these factors (apart from the website issues) ring a bell with me - the last thing Manston needs is another EUJet.
If they ever did get off the ground they would be flying to 16 destinations with 3 ageing aircraft, which would leave them in a fairly precarious situation if any tech issues were to arise. All of these factors (apart from the website issues) ring a bell with me - the last thing Manston needs is another EUJet.
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What MSE needs is NOW Airlines being ressurected. People said the NOW business plan wouldn't work. I think maybe they are being proved wrong. NOW were going to fly low cost to the Canaries. Who has just announced low cost to the Canaries 
I was going to be part of the NOW team from the start, and it's a shame the plug was pulled.....
I was going to be part of the NOW team from the start, and it's a shame the plug was pulled.....
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Esperia Flights
New on the web site esperia site
Cologne is the HUB !
Esperia, is a UK company, based in Manston Kent , CT125BP, UK. Fly with Esperia, from Cologne, to a variety of destinations, including: Manston Kent,
Athens, Budapest, Cologne, Thessaloniki, Toulouse, Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome, Milan,
Geneva, Barcelona, Prague, Riga.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern
European countries.
Things change day by day.
An Easyjet airbus was doing touch and go's for most of thusday, nice to see
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I noticed the name Esperia on the old Eujet hut at Manston last Friday, but car park empty.
The cargo traffic seems to be picking up, I noticed a DAS being loaded with cargo and later in the week two planes being unloaded at the same time an Egypt Air and a MK 747.
Cologne is the HUB !
Esperia, is a UK company, based in Manston Kent , CT125BP, UK. Fly with Esperia, from Cologne, to a variety of destinations, including: Manston Kent,
Athens, Budapest, Cologne, Thessaloniki, Toulouse, Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome, Milan,
Geneva, Barcelona, Prague, Riga.
Esperia provides charter flight services inside the European Union and to Eastern
European countries.
Things change day by day.
An Easyjet airbus was doing touch and go's for most of thusday, nice to see
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I noticed the name Esperia on the old Eujet hut at Manston last Friday, but car park empty.
The cargo traffic seems to be picking up, I noticed a DAS being loaded with cargo and later in the week two planes being unloaded at the same time an Egypt Air and a MK 747.
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I'm not sure MSE has the ability to make any based airline a success. The number of punters just isn't there
Maybe W patterns through MSE would work though !
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Whats W patterns? Manston does have the punters its just the routes you have to do homework if you wanna base an airline there.When EUjet went it had over 5500 people stuck aborad and it was coming up to its busiest time
RIP EUjet
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I think the idea of an LCC flying to the Canaries is a good one, but I think the LTN base and flat fares were a more fundamental part of NOW's business plan than the Canaries route was, so the fact that someone else is thinking of a Canaries route is hardly an endorsement of NOW's overall business plan.
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No James,
Manston does not have the punters, otherwise EUjet would still be running, and Seguro would have full aircraft, and there would be more than 9 cars in the car park.
Even by giving away tens of thousands of seats, Eujet only achieved average 37% loading.
Manston does not have the punters, otherwise EUjet would still be running, and Seguro would have full aircraft, and there would be more than 9 cars in the car park.
Even by giving away tens of thousands of seats, Eujet only achieved average 37% loading.
I can't help but smile when I read your confident statements about how to run an airline alongside your query about what a 'W' pattern is.........
You seem to have this touching belief that EUjet was actually a big success. I think you need to ask yourself:
- Why it went out of business?
- Why no one purchased it as a going concern?
- Why no one else has come in to take over EUjet's routes?
BTW - please spare me the MAG comments. I'm not. I actually think MSE can be succesful, but like Bacardi Walla I'm sceptical as to whether a based airline could ever be viable.
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Q "Why it went out of business?"
A EUjet was losing money hand over fist. Manston Airport was losing money hand over fist. The parent company (Planestation), which owned both of them didn't have any money and was in hock to the banks. The bank pulled the plug. Period.
Q "Why no one purchased it as a going concern?"
A I thought Infratil HAD purchased the airport as a going concern. They bought it from the administrator for a reported £17million. There were other (non-airport) bids for the site but I was told that Infratil bid the most.
Q "Why no one else has come in to take over EUjet's routes?"
A See answer to question 1.
A EUjet was losing money hand over fist. Manston Airport was losing money hand over fist. The parent company (Planestation), which owned both of them didn't have any money and was in hock to the banks. The bank pulled the plug. Period.
Q "Why no one purchased it as a going concern?"
A I thought Infratil HAD purchased the airport as a going concern. They bought it from the administrator for a reported £17million. There were other (non-airport) bids for the site but I was told that Infratil bid the most.
Q "Why no one else has come in to take over EUjet's routes?"
A See answer to question 1.
Buzz off with BAF!!
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It's great to be enthused about your local airport, and so you should be
at 19. But unfortunately your enthusiasm is based on emotion and not fact, and without wishing to rain on your parade, as has been said time without number Manston has severe structural and catchment area limitations.
Just ask yourself why airlines are not fighting to operate scheduled
services, where are Ryanair, Easyjet, and Flybe?
They are not there because it does not make commercial sense for them to be there. One day maybe, when there are roads, railways, and large centres of population. But currently Manston is not a high frequency short haul loco airport.
Be enthusiastic, but temper it with a degree of realism otherwise you are going to be very disappointed.
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Why does everyone insist that Manston does not have the catchment area? EUjet were on target to carry 400,000 passengers in their first year of operation. Southampton Airport handled 600,000 pax in their second year in the new terminal with incidentally 5 airlines operating!
EUjet made a wrong desision with their choice of aircraft, 108 seats were too difficult to fill but again all very easy with hindsight.
Manston was not purchased as a going concern because the airport was effectively closed due to the insurance not being paid, therfore not operating therefore not a very "going concern"
Unless one of you are personally involved with route development for Infratil how do you know what discussions are going on between Infratil and airlines. As I posted previously Infratils management stated that before they allowed a schedule operator to use the airport they wanted to ensure that the strucure and facilities were actually capable of handling both the aircraft and the passengers.
I dont want to cry over spilt milk but Planestation raised just under £30M which it was said would keep the operation going for 2 years at least. Why then within 2 months was the money gone? Answer, to fund all of the other hairbrained schemes that they were involved in. Infratil are not stupid and whilst Manston will not be another Stansted it should be a viable regional airport.
EUjet made a wrong desision with their choice of aircraft, 108 seats were too difficult to fill but again all very easy with hindsight.
Manston was not purchased as a going concern because the airport was effectively closed due to the insurance not being paid, therfore not operating therefore not a very "going concern"
Unless one of you are personally involved with route development for Infratil how do you know what discussions are going on between Infratil and airlines. As I posted previously Infratils management stated that before they allowed a schedule operator to use the airport they wanted to ensure that the strucure and facilities were actually capable of handling both the aircraft and the passengers.
I dont want to cry over spilt milk but Planestation raised just under £30M which it was said would keep the operation going for 2 years at least. Why then within 2 months was the money gone? Answer, to fund all of the other hairbrained schemes that they were involved in. Infratil are not stupid and whilst Manston will not be another Stansted it should be a viable regional airport.
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Just ask yourself why airlines are not fighting to operate scheduled services, where are Ryanair, Easyjet, and Flybe?
Dont speak to soon, you never know whats around the corner!
Dont speak to soon, you never know whats around the corner!