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I think your assessment is reasonably accurate, the load factors on the new routes to the Med & Gran Canaria have been very impressive and as you say often sold out and we have yet to hit peak UK summer travel period, the number of based aircraft increases from 3 to 4 from July into August, but based aircraft are only part of the picture due to the large number of flights that start elsewhere including AGP/ALC/GCI.
The surprise routes have been some of the Northern Norway routes like Tromso, until you factor in that it only takes a little longer to fly to LGW than OSL and London is cheap, very cheap when compared to OSL and this route will now operate year round.
It won't fail as a base, in part because as you pointed out it already had a good volume of scandic routes, customer feed back is excellent, it seems a combination of allocated seating, new aircraft, free wifi and very few delays or cancellations together with very aggressive pricing are getting bums on seats from where yield management can start to come into play, only gripes i have heard are that some flight timings could be better and the on board food is a little pricey.
Just who they are taking business off remains to be seen, the growth on OSL & ARN suggests leakage from LHR, the BA turn back en route to OSL (engine cowls unlatched) had only 75 pax on board
The surprise routes have been some of the Northern Norway routes like Tromso, until you factor in that it only takes a little longer to fly to LGW than OSL and London is cheap, very cheap when compared to OSL and this route will now operate year round.
It won't fail as a base, in part because as you pointed out it already had a good volume of scandic routes, customer feed back is excellent, it seems a combination of allocated seating, new aircraft, free wifi and very few delays or cancellations together with very aggressive pricing are getting bums on seats from where yield management can start to come into play, only gripes i have heard are that some flight timings could be better and the on board food is a little pricey.
Just who they are taking business off remains to be seen, the growth on OSL & ARN suggests leakage from LHR, the BA turn back en route to OSL (engine cowls unlatched) had only 75 pax on board
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Well, if we look at the Nordic destinations Norwegian is alone to serve, the growth in May was over 48% compared with the same month last year - this according to CAA provisional numbers (released today). Counted in passengers, the growth to these 9 destinations was 37 122 with a total passenger number of 113 887 in May. The two destinations shared with easyjet (BGO and CPH) had a growth of only 14% (+8 139 passenger). I don't know which of these two carriers that contributed to this lower growth, but I know easyJet as a whole grew with only 3.4% in May. Of the four Nordic countries, Denmark is without doubt the country with the poorest performance. Finland and HEL on the other hand had a 101% growth from last year, while LHR-HEL gained only 1%.
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More good news for Norwegian
Just voted best loco airline in Europe by Skytrax at paris Air show today
This is the trip advisor off the airline world and can only do good
Where are the slots at LGW going to come from given Easy have just agreed £20m for a block of Flybe slots, i guess LGW have offered NAS a deal on slots for their routes for 2013/14
This is the trip advisor off the airline world and can only do good
Where are the slots at LGW going to come from given Easy have just agreed £20m for a block of Flybe slots, i guess LGW have offered NAS a deal on slots for their routes for 2013/14
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air zimbabwe say they will restart LGW twice a week starting 15th nov with 767-200 time will tell.
philippine airlines have recently established a business office in west sussex and with a annoucement due on 10th july by the eu on weather the eu ban will be lifted in some form or another,from what i have been told philippine airlines r confident the ban will be lifted and have made a slot application to LGW mainly due to the fact no suitable slots at LHR.
philippine airlines have recently established a business office in west sussex and with a annoucement due on 10th july by the eu on weather the eu ban will be lifted in some form or another,from what i have been told philippine airlines r confident the ban will be lifted and have made a slot application to LGW mainly due to the fact no suitable slots at LHR.
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The full schedule is now available on the Air Zimbabwe website, twice weekly flights by their Boeing 767 aircraft starting 15th November 2013.
Wed/Sun UM722 Harare 09.00 London Gatwick 18.30
Mon/Thur UM725 London Gatwick 19.30 Harare 06.30+
I think Philippine Airlines will announce a return to London Gatwick as soon as the EU ban has been lifted, after all they have to fly those shiny new Boeing 777-300 aircraft somewhere and they have been quite open about the fact that they intend to reopen European flights as soon as possible once the ban has been lifted.
Avianca have previously stated in the past they are waiting for suitable take off and landing slots at Heathrow but they have been saying that for at least the last 5 years and many airlines have acquired slots at Heathrow in that time so perhaps they might decide to resume flights from Gatwick instead of Heathrow especially as they have new Boeing 787 aircraft on order and due for delivery from early 2014 and I am sure they could obtain suitable slots at Gatwick for a Bogota service.
Gatwick is not the airport it was and airlines especially long haul airlines are starting to realise this so hopefully Gatwick will see new long haul routes open up becuase of it.
What Gatwick needs is a New York connection again and perhaps with the Delta/Virgin Atlantic JV it may be possible in the future to perhaps move one of the Heathrow to Newark flights to Gatwick and those Heathrow slots could then be used by Delta for a new route from Heathow to Salt Lake City, a destination they have recently announced the intention to fly to at some point.
The full schedule is now available on the Air Zimbabwe website, twice weekly flights by their Boeing 767 aircraft starting 15th November 2013.
Wed/Sun UM722 Harare 09.00 London Gatwick 18.30
Mon/Thur UM725 London Gatwick 19.30 Harare 06.30+
I think Philippine Airlines will announce a return to London Gatwick as soon as the EU ban has been lifted, after all they have to fly those shiny new Boeing 777-300 aircraft somewhere and they have been quite open about the fact that they intend to reopen European flights as soon as possible once the ban has been lifted.
Avianca have previously stated in the past they are waiting for suitable take off and landing slots at Heathrow but they have been saying that for at least the last 5 years and many airlines have acquired slots at Heathrow in that time so perhaps they might decide to resume flights from Gatwick instead of Heathrow especially as they have new Boeing 787 aircraft on order and due for delivery from early 2014 and I am sure they could obtain suitable slots at Gatwick for a Bogota service.
Gatwick is not the airport it was and airlines especially long haul airlines are starting to realise this so hopefully Gatwick will see new long haul routes open up becuase of it.
What Gatwick needs is a New York connection again and perhaps with the Delta/Virgin Atlantic JV it may be possible in the future to perhaps move one of the Heathrow to Newark flights to Gatwick and those Heathrow slots could then be used by Delta for a new route from Heathow to Salt Lake City, a destination they have recently announced the intention to fly to at some point.
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What Gatwick needs is a New York connection again and perhaps with the Delta/Virgin Atlantic JV it may be possible in the future to perhaps move one of the Heathrow to Newark flights to Gatwick and those Heathrow slots could then be used by Delta for a new route from Heathow to Salt Lake City
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Wouldn't rule it out Skippy
a NAS Dreamliner for LGW is planned for 2014 i hear and JFK is A most likely route,a lot connecting (NAS) traffic runs through London. Unlike other Lo Co they are not just point to point. Check the NAS web site for LGW it show destination other than direct routing
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a NAS Dreamliner for LGW is planned for 2014 i hear and JFK is A most likely route,a lot connecting (NAS) traffic runs through London
For reasons that were covered by several of us a few pages back, I have little doubt they'd get sandwiched between premium (which uses LHR) and discounted (which uses LHR on a cross subsidy from all that premium!). I have little doubt they'd love to try....as to making it succesful, well their cost base is low because the B787 crews are coming from where again? Someone remind me....
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If DY are to operate LGW US routes eg NYC, their approach at LGW to date makes sense. The development of sun routes eg AGP etc provide a good route to increased utilisation outside of say a daily transatlantic crossing. Similar to what EI do at DUB, 330 arrives from JFK and them goes down to AGP and back before the next trip west across the pond.
This could make the long haul flying program more cost effective and potentially reduce seat costs. Best of luck to them.
The arguement is well articulated about airlines preferring LHR over LGW on US routes . However, with restricted slot levels one of the US carriers may like to move say 1 daily service and free up a slot for a new US route that would develop more profitably at LHR eg Salt Lake City while at the same time offering a greater number of London Gateways on NYC route...
This could make the long haul flying program more cost effective and potentially reduce seat costs. Best of luck to them.
The arguement is well articulated about airlines preferring LHR over LGW on US routes . However, with restricted slot levels one of the US carriers may like to move say 1 daily service and free up a slot for a new US route that would develop more profitably at LHR eg Salt Lake City while at the same time offering a greater number of London Gateways on NYC route...
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Connections vary, but its not unusual to have 20-30 pax for LPA from LGW who travelled in the night before from across the next work, NAS see little risk in this due to their exceptional on time performance, this confidence regularly allows them to position crews from one base to another to operate a flight within 90 minutes of STA and this planned not reactionary.
NAS accept that from time to time it will go wrong and if it does no if's or but's they put them up in a hotel.
With regards to JFK well lets see, but the growth on inter Scandinavian into LGW has taken business from SAS & BA at LHR and a lot of these are suits.
People only a few months were ready to paint this (NAS) as Aer Lingus V2 but if the numbers are anything to go i think they are very much here for the long haul in every sense of the word.
NAS accept that from time to time it will go wrong and if it does no if's or but's they put them up in a hotel.
With regards to JFK well lets see, but the growth on inter Scandinavian into LGW has taken business from SAS & BA at LHR and a lot of these are suits.
People only a few months were ready to paint this (NAS) as Aer Lingus V2 but if the numbers are anything to go i think they are very much here for the long haul in every sense of the word.
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Norwegian Q2 (April-June) Financial report
Norwegian publish their Q2 earnings report this morning, lots of positive stuff, but importantly showing 85% average load factor on LGW-MED routes (includes LPA) for 2nd quarter. it also gives Norwegian a 7% market share of all LGW traffic.
Use of second runway
Come 2019, there will be no legal agreement preventing simultaneous use of the two runways.
With them being so close together, would it be permitted to use both at once to any degree at all? (centre to centre is 0.12 miles, measured on Google Earth).
With them being so close together, would it be permitted to use both at once to any degree at all? (centre to centre is 0.12 miles, measured on Google Earth).
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Nope, they're much, much too close. 26R/08L is known as the "emergency" runway with good reason. When that's in use, even use of the parallel taxiway and some nearby stands are out of use, or need to be parked nose out.
Come 2019, there will be no legal agreement preventing simultaneous use of the two runways.
2019 is the date that marks the end of the moratorium on building a new runway at Gatwick, nothing to do with use of the existing emergency runway.
