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Newcastle airspace..continued
Maybe this should be in the ATC forum but nevertheless...
10DME ..I know I should get out more..but...
Onion I fail to see why you are blaming EGNT for any constraints on the aispace south of Tilni.
The input we had in that/your area is/was minimal.
My 'Throw away comment' as you call it, was ,as indicated by 10DME ,purely related to our airspace in our local area..which i take it you will agree I am more than qualified to discuss ?
The near six million passengers flying through Newcastle each year,will i am sure be relieved to hear your comments that Newcastle has too much protected airspace!!
10DME a newcastle supporter!!! you must be joking..I have seen those red/white striped shirts on his washing line!!
10DME ..I know I should get out more..but...
Onion I fail to see why you are blaming EGNT for any constraints on the aispace south of Tilni.
The input we had in that/your area is/was minimal.
My 'Throw away comment' as you call it, was ,as indicated by 10DME ,purely related to our airspace in our local area..which i take it you will agree I am more than qualified to discuss ?
The near six million passengers flying through Newcastle each year,will i am sure be relieved to hear your comments that Newcastle has too much protected airspace!!
10DME a newcastle supporter!!! you must be joking..I have seen those red/white striped shirts on his washing line!!
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Postcard I have explained the problem, you may not see it but I can bet others do.
With regards to your throw away comment. When has, and I quote "Onion.....Sorry ....Get real" ever been related to airspace???? It was a stupid comment on your part. If you had said 'I don't agree with you onion' and then explained why, that would of been the best way to discuss the situation. Yes you may be more qualified but you don't know who I am and so you don't actually know.
As for 10DME I have little sympathy for the red and whites! Black and white through and through
With regards to your throw away comment. When has, and I quote "Onion.....Sorry ....Get real" ever been related to airspace???? It was a stupid comment on your part. If you had said 'I don't agree with you onion' and then explained why, that would of been the best way to discuss the situation. Yes you may be more qualified but you don't know who I am and so you don't actually know.
As for 10DME I have little sympathy for the red and whites! Black and white through and through
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Onwards and upwards
10 DME I think Sunderland AFC have had a lot of bad press recently..this doesnt help!!
Should I continue or hold back ?
Onion--as requested.."I dont agree with you onion"
Go on then....tell me your interest...is it ATCO,Private pilot,Commercial pilot, Press,Enthusiast or member of public ??
I ask... so we can continue this discussion at the appropriate level..my interest is as an ATCO with flight safety as paramount.
Speak soon???
Should I continue or hold back ?
Onion--as requested.."I dont agree with you onion"
Go on then....tell me your interest...is it ATCO,Private pilot,Commercial pilot, Press,Enthusiast or member of public ??
I ask... so we can continue this discussion at the appropriate level..my interest is as an ATCO with flight safety as paramount.
Speak soon???
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Onion
I like post card view this from an ATCO’s perspective. I have no interest in any rivalry between airports or mil/civil, all I am interested in is having the right tools for my job, in this case airspace for a safe, orderly and expeditious movement of aircraft.
I could continue to argue the relevant points however that has been done over the last few years with all airspace users! If you think CAA DAP have got it wrong?
As for choke point, its only class D airspace give us a call, get a clearance through! Leeming have worked this out with our present airspace!
Black and white
I like post card view this from an ATCO’s perspective. I have no interest in any rivalry between airports or mil/civil, all I am interested in is having the right tools for my job, in this case airspace for a safe, orderly and expeditious movement of aircraft.
I could continue to argue the relevant points however that has been done over the last few years with all airspace users! If you think CAA DAP have got it wrong?
As for choke point, its only class D airspace give us a call, get a clearance through! Leeming have worked this out with our present airspace!
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Onion,
The point Postcard and 10DME have both made though is that since they are both ATCOs at NCL, they believe that the airspace they have had created is the right size for their needs. You say you are a regular user of NCL and MME....I'm guessing that is as a passenger? If this is the case then without trying to belittle you, you will not know what the bigger picture is - military traffic, gliders, microlights, etc, etc, etc that can "attack" you in Class G airspace.
All we need now once the Newcastle TMA is extended further is a fillet into the P18 for us at MME
-HD-
The point Postcard and 10DME have both made though is that since they are both ATCOs at NCL, they believe that the airspace they have had created is the right size for their needs. You say you are a regular user of NCL and MME....I'm guessing that is as a passenger? If this is the case then without trying to belittle you, you will not know what the bigger picture is - military traffic, gliders, microlights, etc, etc, etc that can "attack" you in Class G airspace.
All we need now once the Newcastle TMA is extended further is a fillet into the P18 for us at MME
-HD-
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FL DUTCHMAN
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The figures read....Feb. 19,837...Mar. 21,555...Apr. 25,771...May. 29,918.
They started operating on 27th April at 6 flts wkly, increased to 12 from May, as you can see it is definately increasing overall traffic.
Jet 2 AMS
The figures read....Feb. 19,837...Mar. 21,555...Apr. 25,771...May. 29,918.
They started operating on 27th April at 6 flts wkly, increased to 12 from May, as you can see it is definately increasing overall traffic.
Thomson flyer
Just had a leaflet pushed through my door (NE of EGNT) from Thomson's extolling the benefits of flying from my local airport - quote "bringing summer holidays closer to home"
Which airport is it pushing - yep, "Robin Hood Airport - Doncaster Sheffield"!!
Which airport is it pushing - yep, "Robin Hood Airport - Doncaster Sheffield"!!
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Thomsonfly don't seem to be having much luck at NCL with OTP, another huge delay today. This is atleast the third in as many weeks. Have they expanded their operations, not just at NCL but everywhere too much too quickly? Or is it just bad luck?
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Just bad luck at the minute i hope.
I think that JET2 will keep two aircraft throughout the winter.
They have taken plenty of staff on full time so they have the staff.
I think that murcia will be at least 4 x weekly.
I also hope that they put some of there summer 2007 seats on sale.
I think that JET2 will keep two aircraft throughout the winter.
They have taken plenty of staff on full time so they have the staff.
I think that murcia will be at least 4 x weekly.
I also hope that they put some of there summer 2007 seats on sale.
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Most of the charters flog the hell out of there planes and leave little time for maintenence and so invariebly at this time of the year and also it seems at the end of the summer things start to go wrong
. Wouldn't worry about it though all airlines go through rough patches, EZY are having one and so to TOM. Next week it'll probably be someone else.
. Wouldn't worry about it though all airlines go through rough patches, EZY are having one and so to TOM. Next week it'll probably be someone else.
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On the basis that CO are the only likely candidate for a NYC service in 2007, then the following is of claim by an -insider- is of interest :-
'The Summer 2007 schedule will see yet another 4 or 5 new routes from EWR to Europe, of course all with the 752. All of the usual cities that have been discussed here at a.net are possibilities, with HEL and STR getting a lot of attention.'
If NCL were to miss out on this batch of CO route allocations, then whereto next?
DL unlikely to be an option as I'm not aware of any plans to use anything smaller than 767's on routes to Europe.
'The Summer 2007 schedule will see yet another 4 or 5 new routes from EWR to Europe, of course all with the 752. All of the usual cities that have been discussed here at a.net are possibilities, with HEL and STR getting a lot of attention.'
If NCL were to miss out on this batch of CO route allocations, then whereto next?
DL unlikely to be an option as I'm not aware of any plans to use anything smaller than 767's on routes to Europe.