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This is an interesting debate.
The major North-East airport is undoubtedly Newcastle, but it is crowded having recently grown rapidly. It competes successfully with DTV on domestic and European routes, where one airline could serve say Palma or Barcelona daily from NCL, and another serve the same destinations weekly from DTV.
Transatlantic is different. The flight is longer, so saving 30 minutes of travel to airport time is less important. Those planning to fly from the North East to NYC would fly from either NCL or DTV if the schedules were similar.
On the positive side, DTV arguably serves a more affluent albeit smaller catchment area. (Someone from York or Leeds may fly to NYC from DTV but not NCL, preferring MAN). DTV is uncongested, and that would improve the travel experience at this end. Parking ought to be cheaper at DTV. It's certainly nearer the terminal.
The North East will only get one trans-Atlantic service, at least for now, and if I were planning, I'd look seriously at DTV.
The major North-East airport is undoubtedly Newcastle, but it is crowded having recently grown rapidly. It competes successfully with DTV on domestic and European routes, where one airline could serve say Palma or Barcelona daily from NCL, and another serve the same destinations weekly from DTV.
Transatlantic is different. The flight is longer, so saving 30 minutes of travel to airport time is less important. Those planning to fly from the North East to NYC would fly from either NCL or DTV if the schedules were similar.
On the positive side, DTV arguably serves a more affluent albeit smaller catchment area. (Someone from York or Leeds may fly to NYC from DTV but not NCL, preferring MAN). DTV is uncongested, and that would improve the travel experience at this end. Parking ought to be cheaper at DTV. It's certainly nearer the terminal.
The North East will only get one trans-Atlantic service, at least for now, and if I were planning, I'd look seriously at DTV.
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LGS6753 - The only bit of sense in this whole posting was that there won't be two NYC services !
Using your logic, then LHR would not be as popular as other London airports because it is crowded and that parking is more expensive and farther away from the terminal
Those with longer memory will recall that the BAA policy of segregating longhaul from a more desirable European hub relating to GLA vs PWK failed miserably.
LGS6753 - The only bit of sense in this whole posting was that there won't be two NYC services !
Using your logic, then LHR would not be as popular as other London airports because it is crowded and that parking is more expensive and farther away from the terminal
Those with longer memory will recall that the BAA policy of segregating longhaul from a more desirable European hub relating to GLA vs PWK failed miserably.
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Skyman - I agree its a waffling way of saying there will only be one choice and in his view it should be considered as DTV, ruling out NCL (much as you have just agreed to MMETeesside's comments in the DTV thread)
Whoever gets it, it will be good for them and good for the North East as a whole!
Whoever gets it, it will be good for them and good for the North East as a whole!
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Just a point....if DTV got the EWR route, how would pax from the Newcastle area, without a car, actually get to DTV.
NCL has the definate advantage of serving a well established tourist and business area with excellent surface transport links directly to and from the airport.
NCL has the definate advantage of serving a well established tourist and business area with excellent surface transport links directly to and from the airport.
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I'm sure most people who used a route like EWR would have a car anyway, but just in case they don't......it's easy, get the train to Darlington and then get the free bus to the airport (£2 if not flying!)
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Yup, just a shame that the railway station at MME Airport only has 3 trains a day (no exaggeration - that's about as many that stop there!). But like Mmeteesside says, you can get the free bus from Darlo.
Good to see Sanford back on the list of destinations from NCL - hopefully this time it'll be here to stay!
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Good to see Sanford back on the list of destinations from NCL - hopefully this time it'll be here to stay!
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Skyman -
My logic is related to the debate in question, not the London area.
I don't think it is too extreme to suggest that SLF from Leeds/York, both fairly affluent centres, would choose DTV over MAN, but not NCL over MAN.
They won't do that without clever, targeted and consistent PR/advertising.
If DTV wants to attract passengers, it has to play to its strengths. At present its strengths are accessibility, uncongested, swift terminal access.
Furthermore, if NCL attracted a NYC service, it would be competing with the Continental flights from EDI. That's less of an issue at DTV.
My logic is related to the debate in question, not the London area.
I don't think it is too extreme to suggest that SLF from Leeds/York, both fairly affluent centres, would choose DTV over MAN, but not NCL over MAN.
They won't do that without clever, targeted and consistent PR/advertising.
If DTV wants to attract passengers, it has to play to its strengths. At present its strengths are accessibility, uncongested, swift terminal access.
Furthermore, if NCL attracted a NYC service, it would be competing with the Continental flights from EDI. That's less of an issue at DTV.
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With regard to MME v SNN - have you heard of the Shannon stopover. As far as I'm aware, the only route EI are allowed to fly without the SNN stopover is to LAX. Therefore absolutely incomparable.
As for GSM flying to EWR/JFK(?) v NCL to JFK/EWR with CO/DL (even AA cannot be ruled out). Well, they are so utterly incomparable it isn't even worth discussing to be honest. Absolutely different markets. AA/CO/DL would be looking at probably connecting at least 30% of their traffic to their transcontinental networks. GSM on the other hand, would connect absolutely zilch. The two services could co-exist without any problems.
To be fair I don't think that MME has, is or will make a dent in NCL's progress, as much as NCL hasn't, isn't and won't hamper MME's progress.
As for GSM flying to EWR/JFK(?) v NCL to JFK/EWR with CO/DL (even AA cannot be ruled out). Well, they are so utterly incomparable it isn't even worth discussing to be honest. Absolutely different markets. AA/CO/DL would be looking at probably connecting at least 30% of their traffic to their transcontinental networks. GSM on the other hand, would connect absolutely zilch. The two services could co-exist without any problems.
To be fair I don't think that MME has, is or will make a dent in NCL's progress, as much as NCL hasn't, isn't and won't hamper MME's progress.
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MYTRAVEL SFB winter 2006/7
here's the times saturday flights
07-Apr-2007 07-Apr-2007 Newcastle - Orlando Sanford
06:20 / 12:55 (11 hours 35 minutes) (MYT045)
Economy
14-Apr-2007 15-Apr-2007 Orlando Sanford - Newcastle
14:45 / 06:10 (10 hours 25 minutes) (next day) (MYT046)
07-Apr-2007 07-Apr-2007 Newcastle - Orlando Sanford
06:20 / 12:55 (11 hours 35 minutes) (MYT045)
Economy
14-Apr-2007 15-Apr-2007 Orlando Sanford - Newcastle
14:45 / 06:10 (10 hours 25 minutes) (next day) (MYT046)
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NCL winter 2006/2007
Have NCL lost Berlin, Budapest and Nice with Easyjet ?? And Cork and Murcia with Jet 2. Didnt expect the Jet 2 to Pisa and Menorca to op in winter.
Just flown Jet 2 NCL to Pisa and back as passenger, loads about 90/100 each sector, so the loads could be better. Good flights times and service though.
Just flown Jet 2 NCL to Pisa and back as passenger, loads about 90/100 each sector, so the loads could be better. Good flights times and service though.
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Originally Posted by JKP505
As for GSM flying to EWR/JFK(?) v NCL to JFK/EWR with CO/DL (even AA cannot be ruled out). The two services could co-exist without any problems.
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fl dutchman I do believe that Jet2 could have made a better decision that a route to PSA, maybe VCE or NAP would have worked better. I would have thought that they would have introduced some winter ski destinations to replace their summer services, maybe they are just being cautious with their NCL operations and reducing it to one a/c for the winter. I think the frequency of MJV will reduce for the winter, but not dropped altogether, hopefully the same for ORK otherwise 2 flights to AMS and 1 to BGO hardly seems worthwhile having a base!
Did someone not mention on this forum that easyjet had not fully released winter flights and therefore NCE, BUD and SXF would still operate? Hope they stay, otherwise the massive expansion NCL has seen in recent times is in grave danger of reversing itself.
NCL-06 MYT I expect will use A330, possibly routing via another UK airport. 0610, very early compared with usual SFB timings.
With all the talk of GSM and NCL and possible NYC link, lets look seriously at NCL. Airlines seem to be approaching expansion at NCL with caution now, together with NCL being slightly crowded. Realistically what opportunities are there at NCL for GSM should they begin operations? There has been talk of base being established with a mix of long and short, but what possible routes are there? Many of the usual european loco routes have been snapped up already and the charter carriers are also vying for a slice of the action, particularly TOM to PMI, ALC etc. GSM seem to have very little possible opportunities to choose from, unless they plan to increase frequencies to existing destinations, though I wonder how many more flights to PMI, ALC etc can NCL fill? Longhaul GSM maybe in with a chance, possibly not with a NYC link, as the only way this would work from NCL is with the connections available at NYC. SFB, YYZ, YVR, etc are possible chances for GSM, but again will they be successful from NCL? I hope if they do start ops at NCL, GSM do well, give EZY a run for their money!!
Did someone not mention on this forum that easyjet had not fully released winter flights and therefore NCE, BUD and SXF would still operate? Hope they stay, otherwise the massive expansion NCL has seen in recent times is in grave danger of reversing itself.
NCL-06 MYT I expect will use A330, possibly routing via another UK airport. 0610, very early compared with usual SFB timings.
With all the talk of GSM and NCL and possible NYC link, lets look seriously at NCL. Airlines seem to be approaching expansion at NCL with caution now, together with NCL being slightly crowded. Realistically what opportunities are there at NCL for GSM should they begin operations? There has been talk of base being established with a mix of long and short, but what possible routes are there? Many of the usual european loco routes have been snapped up already and the charter carriers are also vying for a slice of the action, particularly TOM to PMI, ALC etc. GSM seem to have very little possible opportunities to choose from, unless they plan to increase frequencies to existing destinations, though I wonder how many more flights to PMI, ALC etc can NCL fill? Longhaul GSM maybe in with a chance, possibly not with a NYC link, as the only way this would work from NCL is with the connections available at NYC. SFB, YYZ, YVR, etc are possible chances for GSM, but again will they be successful from NCL? I hope if they do start ops at NCL, GSM do well, give EZY a run for their money!!
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If the flight time is 11hrs im assuming that its either routing via a UK station such as MAN or LGW or even tech stopping in places likes Bangor
It cant be a simple NCL SFB NCL with a flight time of over 11 hrs
It cant be a simple NCL SFB NCL with a flight time of over 11 hrs