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What privileges does one recieve when purchasing a membership with northumbria flying school, apart from student insurance on the aircraft or whatever it may be ?
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Just a few toughs on the GSM situation.
1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.
Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance.
1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.
Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance.
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"GSM will be cheaper to New York from Durham Tees Valley "
How will this be?, there
are some very cheap deals to New York from NCL with KL AF BA via AMS CDG LHR etc.
This will be no more inconvenient if the GSM if it happens goes via LPL.
GSM will not have the facility for onward connections from EWR
The best solution is a "US airline" scheduled service to JFK/ EWR with onward connections available.
How will this be?, there
are some very cheap deals to New York from NCL with KL AF BA via AMS CDG LHR etc.
This will be no more inconvenient if the GSM if it happens goes via LPL.
GSM will not have the facility for onward connections from EWR
The best solution is a "US airline" scheduled service to JFK/ EWR with onward connections available.
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Originally Posted by Felix Saddler
What privileges does one recieve when purchasing a membership with northumbria flying school, apart from student insurance on the aircraft or whatever it may be ?
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[QUOTE=fl dutchman]"GSM will be cheaper to New York from Durham Tees Valley "
How will this be?,QUOTE]
I don't think he said GSM will be cheaper from MME than NCL. He said it will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL, meaning the landing fees. But, unless onion works for Peel and is privy to the contracted rates on offer to GSM his statement is purely conjecture I feel.
How will this be?,QUOTE]
I don't think he said GSM will be cheaper from MME than NCL. He said it will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL, meaning the landing fees. But, unless onion works for Peel and is privy to the contracted rates on offer to GSM his statement is purely conjecture I feel.
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Originally Posted by onion
Just a few toughs on the GSM situation.
1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL .... MME is not even nearer Durham than NCL!
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East.....probably about 10 years experience if MME.
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL......Your thoughts, no one elses !
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.......Well this takes the biscuit !, an irrational comment, but I doubt you would attract any more traffic it even turned out the size of T5 !
Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance...... The ONLY fact in your whole posting
1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL .... MME is not even nearer Durham than NCL!
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East.....probably about 10 years experience if MME.
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL......Your thoughts, no one elses !
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.......Well this takes the biscuit !, an irrational comment, but I doubt you would attract any more traffic it even turned out the size of T5 !
Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance...... The ONLY fact in your whole posting
Case in point where did you pick up on #2 & #4 from ? - probably picking up on my posting yesterday on the DTV site... mischief making perhaps ?
At least I can present a tongue in cheek argument. I suggest that you retire back to posting on the DTV site where I note that you can sound off about your problems with BMI
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Firstly skyman it was only a few thoughts. Secondly Peel and Flyglobespan do have a relationship, MME to TFS. Thats not hard to pick up on.
Thirdly MME has a larger catchment area than NCL, I did not say that MME was nearer Durham than NCL.
Fourthly economies of scale alone suggest that it will be cheaper to operate out of MME rather than NCL, due to there being existing GSM operations out of MME. Your obviously not business minded are you!
IN my post there are at least 4 fact, 2 will probably be facts and one is just an idea.
Regarding bmi that is just a annoyance. Has nothing to do with my post on here if you wish to discuss them PM me.
The only person mischief making my friend is you and as to suggesting I retire to the DTV thread I shall not, but I suggest you retire for good if you have nothing better to do than try and pick apart my posts, you must have a very boring life
Thirdly MME has a larger catchment area than NCL, I did not say that MME was nearer Durham than NCL.
Fourthly economies of scale alone suggest that it will be cheaper to operate out of MME rather than NCL, due to there being existing GSM operations out of MME. Your obviously not business minded are you!
IN my post there are at least 4 fact, 2 will probably be facts and one is just an idea.
Regarding bmi that is just a annoyance. Has nothing to do with my post on here if you wish to discuss them PM me.
The only person mischief making my friend is you
and as to suggesting I retire to the DTV thread I shall not, but I suggest you retire for good if you have nothing better to do than try and pick apart my posts, you must have a very boring life
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With a flight time of 1h35m on each sector for the J41, it would appear that the reduction is more likely to be due to scheduling than to pax numbers.
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Dublin is now on sale for winter. no changes that i can see.
Looks like we may be missing out to MME with Ryanair
look at this
Things might be on the up at last. Extract from this morning's Northern Echo (edited version) :-
''Airline planning new routes''
LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
Karl Hogstadius, Ryanair deputy sales and marketing manager, visited Durham Tees Valley Airport yesterday to promote the Dublin route, handing out flights for 1p each.
The first flight from Durham Tees Valley to Dublin was launched in November 1997, and since then Ryanair has carried more than 700,000 passengers on the route.
This year it expects to carry between 80,000 and 100,000 passengers to and from the Irish city.
Mr Hogstadius said yesterday that regional airports, such as Tees Valley and Newcastle, and the shorter routes to places such as Dublin and Cork, were central to the future of Ryanair.
"We like the shorter flights, maybe 40 minutes or an hour, more than the three-hour flights because you can fit more of them in, and keep the prices lower," he said.
"We are currently in negotiations with more than 50 airports and destinations across Europe, and we will see where those negotiations take us, but we will certainly be looking at more routes from Tees Valley."
Any offers / suggestions as to where? Might BMibaby be under threat on the Cork route ?
Looks like we may be missing out to MME with Ryanair
look at this
Things might be on the up at last. Extract from this morning's Northern Echo (edited version) :-
''Airline planning new routes''
LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
Karl Hogstadius, Ryanair deputy sales and marketing manager, visited Durham Tees Valley Airport yesterday to promote the Dublin route, handing out flights for 1p each.
The first flight from Durham Tees Valley to Dublin was launched in November 1997, and since then Ryanair has carried more than 700,000 passengers on the route.
This year it expects to carry between 80,000 and 100,000 passengers to and from the Irish city.
Mr Hogstadius said yesterday that regional airports, such as Tees Valley and Newcastle, and the shorter routes to places such as Dublin and Cork, were central to the future of Ryanair.
"We like the shorter flights, maybe 40 minutes or an hour, more than the three-hour flights because you can fit more of them in, and keep the prices lower," he said.
"We are currently in negotiations with more than 50 airports and destinations across Europe, and we will see where those negotiations take us, but we will certainly be looking at more routes from Tees Valley."
Any offers / suggestions as to where? Might BMibaby be under threat on the Cork route ?
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Standard publicity stuff done because the MME-DUB is not doing very well, if you believe the MME prune thread.
First few lines say;
LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
So not at all bad really.
First few lines say;
LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
So not at all bad really.
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HH6702 your thoughts seem to be a little optimistic, 6 weekly long haul flights from NCL? Could be the right starter destinations, but CPT seems an odd choice or is that just me thinking that? I do hope your predictions are true though, and as regards to NCL operating at full capacity as far as apron space is concerned, yes space is tight at times, but the general timing of long haul departures means operations would take place in the quieter spots of the day. I do think that SFB will feature in any longhaul plans, should GSM start ops.
It is all well and good all the rumours about more expansion with GSM at NCL but have we really thought about the following?
Can the NCL catchment area really sustain such long haul routes, all year round or if they are just seasonal services what about the winter?
Does the airport and ground handling agents have the facilities and equipment to deal with yet more based aircraft?
Is it just going to be long haul or is there short haul in the pipeline?
Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?
CPT was going to be served by AV8 some years back, could it work for GSM?
Could they fill a regular YYZ service?
The list of uncertainties is endless. Hopefully if they intend to expand NCL then they will have carried out adequate research and it will be the big break NCL has been looking for!
Anyone know why TOM's ACE flight from this afternoon is still here? Whens it likely to go? TOM seem to be having a rough time at the minute.
It is all well and good all the rumours about more expansion with GSM at NCL but have we really thought about the following?
Can the NCL catchment area really sustain such long haul routes, all year round or if they are just seasonal services what about the winter?
Does the airport and ground handling agents have the facilities and equipment to deal with yet more based aircraft?
Is it just going to be long haul or is there short haul in the pipeline?
Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?
CPT was going to be served by AV8 some years back, could it work for GSM?
Could they fill a regular YYZ service?
The list of uncertainties is endless. Hopefully if they intend to expand NCL then they will have carried out adequate research and it will be the big break NCL has been looking for!
Anyone know why TOM's ACE flight from this afternoon is still here? Whens it likely to go? TOM seem to be having a rough time at the minute.
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Originally Posted by transwede
HH6702
Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?
Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?
But then whats logic in the airline business ?
The grapevine strongly suggests that CO may add two or three new European destinations by Summer 07, there is nothing to suggest that NCL will be one of these, it's a concept that is raised annually. Personally I feel that AA did NCL no favours & we'll be waiting some time to see CO 752's at NCL who now has to resell itself as able to support a viable NYC service. To do this substantial financial incentives will need to be offered as part of any package to CO or indeed any airline considering taking on this route.
My view is that other than in the marketing, a GSM offering is little more than another holiday route albeit to the US. The difference being purely in the marketing & the hype. You may or not recall that many decades ago NCL did have an offering to JFK in the summer through Jetsave. Albeit that through time the operating restrictions due to available equipment have evapourated, neither those that offered such a product to the North East tourists in those days nor their descendants have identified that the re-introduction of a similar product was worthwhile venture...........
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re the Eastern LCY route.....apart from April with Easter obviously affecting business traffic the route seems to be carrying between 1600/1700 pax per month. The J41 should improve the load factor a bit.
re the Eastern LCY route.....apart from April with Easter obviously affecting business traffic the route seems to be carrying between 1600/1700 pax per month. The J41 should improve the load factor a bit.
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Re GSM, I think it will be a while before we hear anything regarding their operations. They seem to be concentrating on MAN/LPL at the moment. We can only keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Does anyone know if TOM are stopping their services to SSH? It seems their pax are now on TCX flights? Is this just temporary or a permanent thing for the winter as well? There are quite a few SSH flights per week, with 3 in the winter and next summer a planned 4. Maybe someone could start a HRG, TCP....a bit of variety?
And is it just me or is NCL suffering from quite a few hefty delays recently?
Does anyone know if TOM are stopping their services to SSH? It seems their pax are now on TCX flights? Is this just temporary or a permanent thing for the winter as well? There are quite a few SSH flights per week, with 3 in the winter and next summer a planned 4. Maybe someone could start a HRG, TCP....a bit of variety?
And is it just me or is NCL suffering from quite a few hefty delays recently?