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FNC Summer 2007
FNC is now on sale with Thomson for next Summer. Flight times are LBA-FNC 1230-1605 FNC-LBA 1705-2040.
Winter flights with Atlantic Holidays to FNC are not on sale yet? This year they started in mid Feb i think but no word on their web site of any flights this Winter.
Winter flights with Atlantic Holidays to FNC are not on sale yet? This year they started in mid Feb i think but no word on their web site of any flights this Winter.
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Principle is now First Choice on FNC for S07, not Atlantic as in this year, Perhaps FC don't want to start the route as early as Atlantic.
Thomas Cook, Thomson, Atlantic confirmed as the sharers ex LBA, and expected also My Travel for S07.
LBIA (the poster not the airport!), I chopped your wrists off too quick, I apologise...First Choice have an involment as you stated, rather significant, I got my "Principles" as in tour operators mixed up.
Thomas Cook, Thomson, Atlantic confirmed as the sharers ex LBA, and expected also My Travel for S07.
LBIA (the poster not the airport!), I chopped your wrists off too quick, I apologise...First Choice have an involment as you stated, rather significant, I got my "Principles" as in tour operators mixed up.
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Originally Posted by BombardierCR7
Principle is now First Choice on FNC for S07, not Atlantic as in this year, Perhaps FC don't want to start the route as early as Atlantic.
Thomas Cook, Thomson, Atlantic confirmed as the sharers ex LBA, and expected also My Travel for S07.
LBIA (the poster not the airport!), I chopped your wrists off too quick, I apologise...First Choice have an involment as you stated, rather significant, I got my "Principles" as in tour operators mixed up.
Thomas Cook, Thomson, Atlantic confirmed as the sharers ex LBA, and expected also My Travel for S07.
LBIA (the poster not the airport!), I chopped your wrists off too quick, I apologise...First Choice have an involment as you stated, rather significant, I got my "Principles" as in tour operators mixed up.
One tour operator has generated around 40 seats per week on FNC this year; multiply that by four (Atlantic, Thos Cook, First Choice and Thomson) and you should be able to comfortably get to 148. 201 might be a stretch. It is rather better to have 148 full seats on a 148 seater than 148 seats and 53 empties on a 201 seater!
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The CAA figures for 2006 are as follows for LBA and CWL to/from FNC - CWL shown first each time.
Feb: 167 165 total 332
March: 510 253 total 763
April: 502 275 total 777
May (provisional): 601 289 total 890
This suggests the loads are approximately 2 to 1 in CWL's favour (apart from Feb when presumably the route was started or re-started for the winter period).
Assuming four rotations per month (eight flights) there was still a bit of space on the aircraft on average each month, if a 148-seat aircraft is being used.
As a comparison here are the CAA figures for some other smaller regional airports to/from FNC. I believe these airports have one rotation a week but not shared as with LBA/CWL.
March: EXT 1380 BRS 1657 NCL 1172 EMA 1610
April: EXT 1215 BRS 1616 NCL 1241 EMA 1415
May (provisional): EXT 1508 BRS 1984 NCL 1226 EMA no figure, presumably no flight.
The CAA figures for 2006 are as follows for LBA and CWL to/from FNC - CWL shown first each time.
Feb: 167 165 total 332
March: 510 253 total 763
April: 502 275 total 777
May (provisional): 601 289 total 890
This suggests the loads are approximately 2 to 1 in CWL's favour (apart from Feb when presumably the route was started or re-started for the winter period).
Assuming four rotations per month (eight flights) there was still a bit of space on the aircraft on average each month, if a 148-seat aircraft is being used.
As a comparison here are the CAA figures for some other smaller regional airports to/from FNC. I believe these airports have one rotation a week but not shared as with LBA/CWL.
March: EXT 1380 BRS 1657 NCL 1172 EMA 1610
April: EXT 1215 BRS 1616 NCL 1241 EMA 1415
May (provisional): EXT 1508 BRS 1984 NCL 1226 EMA no figure, presumably no flight.
40 x 4 does indeed equal 160, but there aren't many 160-seat aircraft around unless you want an old crate of an MD83, which I don't imagine would go down too well with the fine citizens of Horsforth.
It is a curious LBA phenomenon that people never quite seem to be happy with their lot in life and always want more, no matter how positive the news to begin with.
It is a curious LBA phenomenon that people never quite seem to be happy with their lot in life and always want more, no matter how positive the news to begin with.
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"It is a curious LBA phenomenon that people never quite seem to be happy with their lot in life and always want more, no matter how positive the news to begin with".
Welcome to Yorkshire, Flightrider!
Welcome to Yorkshire, Flightrider!
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Indeed. I think it must have something to do with years of having to travel accross the Pennines. Things are slowly changing for the better, with more flights and choice year by year.
Lets hope we have more good news on the way.
Indeed. I think it must have something to do with years of having to travel accross the Pennines. Things are slowly changing for the better, with more flights and choice year by year.
Lets hope we have more good news on the way.
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The phenomonan is purely and simply borne out of expectations. People look at other airports, read these boards, more than likely travel over to MAN themselves and quite rightly ask the question why doesn't LBA do better for charter flights. People believing that LBA should be getting a 3rd and 4th based aren't going to be swayed by FNC going direct. I grew up in the area and left for the South Coast 8 years ago. Just before I left I met a senior marketing bod at LBA at a corporate do and he agreed with me that it was crucial the airport got a 3rd and then a 4th based charter aircraft. Thomas Cook and First Choice were the targets but 8 years later people are still have the same discussion. That means it's a pipe dream, in which case someone needs to explain why and we can put it to bed once and for all. But If it's achievable, then lets discuss why it isn't happening rather than worrying about minor changes in the programme.
loco
PS - I see the airport are looking for a new ops director
http://www.lbia.co.uk/pdf/Advert.pdf
loco
PS - I see the airport are looking for a new ops director
http://www.lbia.co.uk/pdf/Advert.pdf
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This comes round all the time.
In my mind there are many limiting factors that restrict current charter operations from LBA. And one is being currently addressed as we all know.
1. Terminal space
2. Apron space
3. Runway length / tinkering
4. Doncaster Robin Hood
Now don't get me wrong, good for Donny on their part but that has to be one major factor surely? And of course Money Money Money.
The sooner someone buys into the airport the better chance we have of getting some sort of result out of the masterplan.
This comes round all the time.
In my mind there are many limiting factors that restrict current charter operations from LBA. And one is being currently addressed as we all know.
1. Terminal space
2. Apron space
3. Runway length / tinkering
4. Doncaster Robin Hood
Now don't get me wrong, good for Donny on their part but that has to be one major factor surely? And of course Money Money Money.
The sooner someone buys into the airport the better chance we have of getting some sort of result out of the masterplan.
Hmmm. Discussions seven or eight years ago about introducing a third or fourth based charter aircraft to LBA are absolutely irrelevant in the current market structure. In case it had escaped everyone's notice, Jet2 have what - eight, ten? - aircraft based at LBA now operating to a significant number of [charter] destinations like Palma, Malaga, Alicante, Faro, Tenerife etc. You cannot reasonably expect significant growth in the charter market for as long as the low-cost sector is going around hoovering up former charter routes! Arguably, you could say that LBA has 13 or 14 based charter aircraft if you class the Jet2 fleet as such. I know you can't; but the point I'm making is that you can't just look at the two based charter aircraft in isolation and say "it's not enough - we need more".
Life has moved on; as it has at many other regional airports. The airport has moved forwards from struggling to reach 1m pax per year to 2.5m per year, which was unthinkable less than five years ago. It has done this with the disadvantages referred to by Scampton Boy and one more, in my opinion - dreadful road access from Leeds and Bradford cities. On my last trip, I drove from LBA to south Bradford; and then from south Bradford to Manchester Airport. Guess which took me the longest time? Road access to LBA is dire - congested, slow roads with a myriad of roundabouts, traffic lights and low speed limits.
Anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised by another new move over the next week or so if direct flights to Funchal aren't quite enough to get you excited!
PS - robo283, I was born in Keighley and as such, require little in the way of a welcome to Yorkshire!
Life has moved on; as it has at many other regional airports. The airport has moved forwards from struggling to reach 1m pax per year to 2.5m per year, which was unthinkable less than five years ago. It has done this with the disadvantages referred to by Scampton Boy and one more, in my opinion - dreadful road access from Leeds and Bradford cities. On my last trip, I drove from LBA to south Bradford; and then from south Bradford to Manchester Airport. Guess which took me the longest time? Road access to LBA is dire - congested, slow roads with a myriad of roundabouts, traffic lights and low speed limits.
Anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised by another new move over the next week or so if direct flights to Funchal aren't quite enough to get you excited!
PS - robo283, I was born in Keighley and as such, require little in the way of a welcome to Yorkshire!
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WHAT... NO CLUES THEN?
Anyway, you might be pleasantly surprised by another new move over the next week or so if direct flights to Funchal aren't quite enough to get you excited
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Hello - fair point about Jet2 but it just raises more questions than it answers. I don't believe for a minute that Jet2 have hoovered up ALL of LBAs charter demand OK, they've gone into Spain and Portugal in a big way but I don't see a single flight in their timetable to Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Malta, Cyprus, Croatia, Southern Italy, Tunisia, Egypt, Florida or Canada. But when I last looked, LBA had a lower number of flights to some of these places than HUY or MME let alone somewhere like NCL or BRS or EMA..
Also, if Jet2 are that big of an issue why is about 80% of TUIs capacity from Leeds this season on routes that Jet2 do fly??? If they are happy competing on PMI, IBZ, MAH and ALC then why not put a second aircraft in to do the routes where they have no competition.
If Jet2 have suffocated charter at Leeds, why haven't the loco services at NCL, BRS or East Mids had any impact at those airports. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but charter services at those airports have actually grown over the last few years.
Where are all the charter passengers coming from at MAN. MAN is bigger than LGW for many charter routes and that's not possible without getting a lot of custom from Yorkshire and its environs. Proof surely that the demand is still there regardless of what Jet2 are doing, so why can't LBA pick it up?
loco
PS - so, Centralwings doing 3 - weekly EDI-WAW on top of other routes announced after their Leeds pull out. Don't think the 'lack of equipment' argument stands up anymoe , so what really happened.
Also, if Jet2 are that big of an issue why is about 80% of TUIs capacity from Leeds this season on routes that Jet2 do fly??? If they are happy competing on PMI, IBZ, MAH and ALC then why not put a second aircraft in to do the routes where they have no competition.
If Jet2 have suffocated charter at Leeds, why haven't the loco services at NCL, BRS or East Mids had any impact at those airports. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but charter services at those airports have actually grown over the last few years.
Where are all the charter passengers coming from at MAN. MAN is bigger than LGW for many charter routes and that's not possible without getting a lot of custom from Yorkshire and its environs. Proof surely that the demand is still there regardless of what Jet2 are doing, so why can't LBA pick it up?
loco
PS - so, Centralwings doing 3 - weekly EDI-WAW on top of other routes announced after their Leeds pull out. Don't think the 'lack of equipment' argument stands up anymoe , so what really happened.
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Hi
By the looks of things a new charter route is to be announced from LBA acording to the LBIA's website destination page http://www.lbia.co.uk/flightsandholidays-gambia.php
The New Banjul flights for Gambia Experiance are to be operated by Astreaus B737-700 every Wednesdays from December 20th 2006 till 7th March 2007 and will operate via Bournemouth.
By the looks of things a new charter route is to be announced from LBA acording to the LBIA's website destination page http://www.lbia.co.uk/flightsandholidays-gambia.php
The New Banjul flights for Gambia Experiance are to be operated by Astreaus B737-700 every Wednesdays from December 20th 2006 till 7th March 2007 and will operate via Bournemouth.
Last edited by LBIA; 7th Jul 2006 at 12:35.
