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sorry to harp on about this but I've just seen the pax numbers for MAN in June where they had 1 million charter passengers in the month alone. LBA will have about 40,000 i bet when the final numbers are published. Now I know MAN is a bigger catchment area, but is it really 25 times bigger? So are people prepared to agree that many of these passengers MUST be coming from LBA's doorstep and that 4 based aircraft at the very least has to be high on LBA's agenda?
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Going loco: Never Mind 4 based Charter units! How's about a 3rd first.
One year it might really happen, But the real question is when & Who???
First Choice, Thomas Cook, Excel Airways or Monarch take you pick.
One year it might really happen, But the real question is when & Who???
First Choice, Thomas Cook, Excel Airways or Monarch take you pick.
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I don't think there is any doubt the demand is there. I would think around 10-15% of MAN's charter throughput originates in LBA's core catchment area - added to the existing traffic that would give the airport a charter base of 150,000 - 175,000 a month in high season in the unlikely event it could all be repatriated back to LBA. Not disimilar to what passes through Newcastle, Nottingham and Bristol so it passes the logic test for me. However, the question is whether the tour operators (and let's remember it is primarily a tour operator and not an airline decision) would see any benefit in moving their capacity out of MAN and into LBA to serve this demand. They are unlikely to find an airline to be cheaper on a per-seat basis given the scale economies of their own in-house airlines at MAN and they are unlikely to want the risk given they know they can pull passengers across to fill seats at MAN. In short, unless one of the operators decides to pursue a break-out strategy and go into airports like LBA in the hope it will grow their overall market share, I don't see LBA getting anywhere near 100,000 passengers a month (akin to Cardiff) let alone 150,000. That said, the Excel / Freedom Flights / Libra combo seem convinced they can fill an -800 out of HUY with a full programme and they do seem generally quite pro-regional, so maybe they offer an opportunity.
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In terms of XL 'thinking' they can fill an -800 out of Humberside, they are infact operating on behalf of the big tour operators, they are not selling the flights on their own.
ALC Mytravel, Thomson
ACE Mytravel, Thomas Cook, Thomson
CFU Kosmar
HER Kosmar, Libra, Mytravel, Olympic
LPA Mytravel, Thomas Cook, Thomson
AGP Mytravel
PMI Mytravel
PFO Libra, Olympic
RHO Kosmar, Libra, Olympic
SSH Mytravel
TFS First Choice, Mytravel
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Mike
ALC Mytravel, Thomson
ACE Mytravel, Thomas Cook, Thomson
CFU Kosmar
HER Kosmar, Libra, Mytravel, Olympic
LPA Mytravel, Thomas Cook, Thomson
AGP Mytravel
PMI Mytravel
PFO Libra, Olympic
RHO Kosmar, Libra, Olympic
SSH Mytravel
TFS First Choice, Mytravel
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LBIA website now officailly announces the winter rote to Banjul.
Its taken a while to release the news but , good news non the less.
heres the link
http://www.lbia.co.uk/newsandupdates...oryid=20060714
Flights also loaded onto gambia.co.uk but the silly beggars have messed up on the flight dates at the moment!
I sincerely hope the route does well.
Its taken a while to release the news but , good news non the less.
heres the link
http://www.lbia.co.uk/newsandupdates...oryid=20060714
Flights also loaded onto gambia.co.uk but the silly beggars have messed up on the flight dates at the moment!
I sincerely hope the route does well.
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ALC - Thomson, MyTravel (1x757, 1x73G), as well as two Jet2 flights a day.
ACE - First Choice, Thomas Cook, Airtours (1xA320)
CFU - Thomson, First Choice, Thomas Cook (1x757, 1x73G)
HER - Thomas Cook, Airtours, Olympic (1x73G)
LPA - Airtours, Thomson (1x73G)
AGP - Thomson, Airtours (1x757, 1x73G), as well as two Jet2 flights a day
PMI - Thomson, Airtours, First Choice, Thomas Cook (3x757, 1x73G, 3x738), as well as two Jet2 flights a day.
PFO - Thomson (1x757)
RHO - Thomas Cook, Airtours, Olympic (1x73G)
SSH - N/A
TFS - Thomson, Thomas Cook, Airtours (1x757, 1x738), as well as two flights a week from Jet2.
How the LBA programme comapres on the same routes.
ACE - First Choice, Thomas Cook, Airtours (1xA320)
CFU - Thomson, First Choice, Thomas Cook (1x757, 1x73G)
HER - Thomas Cook, Airtours, Olympic (1x73G)
LPA - Airtours, Thomson (1x73G)
AGP - Thomson, Airtours (1x757, 1x73G), as well as two Jet2 flights a day
PMI - Thomson, Airtours, First Choice, Thomas Cook (3x757, 1x73G, 3x738), as well as two Jet2 flights a day.
PFO - Thomson (1x757)
RHO - Thomas Cook, Airtours, Olympic (1x73G)
SSH - N/A
TFS - Thomson, Thomas Cook, Airtours (1x757, 1x738), as well as two flights a week from Jet2.
How the LBA programme comapres on the same routes.
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It will never sell if it is never left on sale. Goldtrail didn't even put their Bodrum on sale until January this year and are filling their A321 if the data I
i've just seen from the CAA is accurate. So pulling something off of sale 10 months befire the first flight tells me they just don't want to operate the flight, or can't get the aircraft to do it.
loco
i've just seen from the CAA is accurate. So pulling something off of sale 10 months befire the first flight tells me they just don't want to operate the flight, or can't get the aircraft to do it.
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SASfox
It will be the A300 SASfox !
Very poor news about the Monastir flight - it can't have had a chance, its hardly been on sale 2 minutes for 2007. Some politics going on here me thinks !
It will be the A300 SASfox !
Very poor news about the Monastir flight - it can't have had a chance, its hardly been on sale 2 minutes for 2007. Some politics going on here me thinks !
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Not knowing much about them, I had a nosey on the Goldtrail website today and happened to notice that if LBA is selected as a departure option, Antalya is listed in addition to Bodrum and Dalaman and also TFS and PMI. Nothing seems to be uploaded for 2007 yet so one can go no further in the booking process, but perhaps a hint of some expansion from them when next years programme is released.
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Antalya, Bodrum, Dalaman, Palma and Tenerife are listed as options from all UK airports so I wouldn't read much into that although hopefully Goldtrail will expand at LBA in the future
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Can T3 Survive
One thing iam suprised is not discussed here much is Eastern Airways and the competition it is about to face.
In the past year we have seen Flybe move in on T3's flagship Southampton Route, the airlines attitude towards this was nonchlant but Flybe has enjoyed fantasitc load factors and with a 2 daily timetable now in place it has taken business from Eastern no doubt.
Eastern clearly saw the writting on the cards and the J32 was quickly withdrawn from the LBA-ABZ route and like many of us predicted... Flybe have now announced rotations on this route too. True, the phase out of the JS32 is part of Easterns longterm plans i imagine but i can remember from dispatching the 32 on this route that pax main complaint was the noise and reliability factor of the aircraft...
Eastern now operating a 41 base at LBA but as you can appreciate... they dont come near the comfort and performance of the D8Q400 / 146's that Flybe will use on the route.
Eastern also pulled a vital airlink from Leeds this year... a service that has operated from LBA for many many years was the IOM. This sudden withdrawl made many peoples lives difficult and surely did little for the T3 image.
T3 have however introduced a new Inverness rotation, but it is only once daily... it would be interesting to know the load factors on this.
When you considder the facts; T3's shock inducing Fares ( in the hundreds to fly to ABZ) .. Older aircraft... the airline does not operate flights on Saturday...!!!! ....
It doesnt look very good for Eastern.. i hope they pull up their socks and sort something out. Purely because i enjoy the variation at LBA these days... but Flybe is moving in fast and i wouldnt be suprised if they re-instate a base at the LBA in the near future..
What does everyone else think? ... Is Eastern perhaps more interested in its new baby hub at CWL
excuse the spelling... was in a rush 
In the past year we have seen Flybe move in on T3's flagship Southampton Route, the airlines attitude towards this was nonchlant but Flybe has enjoyed fantasitc load factors and with a 2 daily timetable now in place it has taken business from Eastern no doubt.
Eastern clearly saw the writting on the cards and the J32 was quickly withdrawn from the LBA-ABZ route and like many of us predicted... Flybe have now announced rotations on this route too. True, the phase out of the JS32 is part of Easterns longterm plans i imagine but i can remember from dispatching the 32 on this route that pax main complaint was the noise and reliability factor of the aircraft...
Eastern now operating a 41 base at LBA but as you can appreciate... they dont come near the comfort and performance of the D8Q400 / 146's that Flybe will use on the route.
Eastern also pulled a vital airlink from Leeds this year... a service that has operated from LBA for many many years was the IOM. This sudden withdrawl made many peoples lives difficult and surely did little for the T3 image.
T3 have however introduced a new Inverness rotation, but it is only once daily... it would be interesting to know the load factors on this.
When you considder the facts; T3's shock inducing Fares ( in the hundreds to fly to ABZ) .. Older aircraft... the airline does not operate flights on Saturday...!!!! ....
It doesnt look very good for Eastern.. i hope they pull up their socks and sort something out. Purely because i enjoy the variation at LBA these days... but Flybe is moving in fast and i wouldnt be suprised if they re-instate a base at the LBA in the near future..
What does everyone else think? ... Is Eastern perhaps more interested in its new baby hub at CWL
excuse the spelling... was in a rush
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Eastern will probably do OK at LBA in the short term. On the SOU route, Eastern caters for LBA business passengers going to SOU and Flybe caters for SOU business passengers going to LBA. And on ABZ, the new Flybe route isn't likely to attract many business passengers at once daily
However in the future if BE go double daily on ABZ with an LBA aircraft and maybe even do SOU with an LBA based aircraft then I would be concerned about Eastern's future at LBA
With regards to CWL, they haven't introduced the ABZ route they originaly announced they would fly from there. Their current focus seems to be routes to Brussels
However in the future if BE go double daily on ABZ with an LBA aircraft and maybe even do SOU with an LBA based aircraft then I would be concerned about Eastern's future at LBA
With regards to CWL, they haven't introduced the ABZ route they originaly announced they would fly from there. Their current focus seems to be routes to Brussels
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Re Globusair - Eastern
I don't follow you 100% but Eastern still operate LBA-ABZ 3x per weekday and once on Sundays with J41s. I believe the the J32s were withdrawn because the leases were ending and they had the opportunity to standardise with J41s brought from the US. This also provided a small capacity boost for some routes. Quite a sensible move on the face of it.
The Flybe announcement of their EXT-LBA-ABZ route came much more recently.
Passenger numbers on LBA-SOU certainly have risen since Flybe increased to twice per weekday (7683 in June 2006 according to CAA Stats), but the split between Flybe and Eastern is not clear.
The removal of the LBA-IOM service may have inconvenienced a few passengers (just 680 in June 2005), though the LBA-INV route has yet to prove its worth with only 599 passengers in June 2006. That's all past history as IOM residents will shortly have a TWICE daily service with Manx2 to enjoy themselves on.
I will agree that the Eastern route network does appear vulnerable to the likes of LCC airlines with <100 seat aircraft. Eastern seem to have quit some routes without much of a fight (eg MAN-STN) but then keep on with the likes of LBA-SOU. Without knowing the yields this is all an academic discussion.
PTH
PS Flybe already have a "base" at LBA, at least in Flybe speak. The describe all destinations as bases (eg LBA, DSA), even though many of us would expect an aircraft/crew to be stationed/"based" before using the term.
The Flybe announcement of their EXT-LBA-ABZ route came much more recently.
Passenger numbers on LBA-SOU certainly have risen since Flybe increased to twice per weekday (7683 in June 2006 according to CAA Stats), but the split between Flybe and Eastern is not clear.
The removal of the LBA-IOM service may have inconvenienced a few passengers (just 680 in June 2005), though the LBA-INV route has yet to prove its worth with only 599 passengers in June 2006. That's all past history as IOM residents will shortly have a TWICE daily service with Manx2 to enjoy themselves on.
I will agree that the Eastern route network does appear vulnerable to the likes of LCC airlines with <100 seat aircraft. Eastern seem to have quit some routes without much of a fight (eg MAN-STN) but then keep on with the likes of LBA-SOU. Without knowing the yields this is all an academic discussion.
PTH
PS Flybe already have a "base" at LBA, at least in Flybe speak. The describe all destinations as bases (eg LBA, DSA), even though many of us would expect an aircraft/crew to be stationed/"based" before using the term.
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Iam really suprised that the INV has not pulled in better loads, time will tell i guess.
Yes it is annoying how Flybe refer to outstations as a "base".. when we all clearly know they do not nightstop aicraft ( unless they get poorly
) ... and no crew room at LBA for some time now.
Indeed it is true that T3 is the business mans airline, attracting a certain elite of pax when BA pulled out of LBA... but for how long will the business man stay with T3. Nine times out of ten... its not the bum on the seat that paid the ticket... its the company.... and they are becoming more and more driven by travel costs.
Its ubbbbbber expensive to fly with T3!!
Across the board you can really see Flybe are targetting T3 directly on a number of routes... not just Leeds. I guess thats because they are the only true competition.... ScotAirways..Southwest..Manx2 are all serving different markets so its just T3 and FLYBE head to head.
Yes it is annoying how Flybe refer to outstations as a "base".. when we all clearly know they do not nightstop aicraft ( unless they get poorly
) ... and no crew room at LBA for some time now.Indeed it is true that T3 is the business mans airline, attracting a certain elite of pax when BA pulled out of LBA... but for how long will the business man stay with T3. Nine times out of ten... its not the bum on the seat that paid the ticket... its the company.... and they are becoming more and more driven by travel costs.
Its ubbbbbber expensive to fly with T3!!
Across the board you can really see Flybe are targetting T3 directly on a number of routes... not just Leeds. I guess thats because they are the only true competition.... ScotAirways..Southwest..Manx2 are all serving different markets so its just T3 and FLYBE head to head.
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Yes they are expensive and you are correct travel costs have become a major focus by companies. I work for a major blue chip company and where they can will now insist on LCC's (from any airport) or economy seats for us and even top management. Business class is a thing of the past and so will T3be if they carry on with such a price structure.
On another note, I'd not be surprised if the people who rely on the IOM service are glad to see the back of T3 and a warm welcome to Manx2, due to the price.
Yes they are expensive and you are correct travel costs have become a major focus by companies. I work for a major blue chip company and where they can will now insist on LCC's (from any airport) or economy seats for us and even top management. Business class is a thing of the past and so will T3be if they carry on with such a price structure.
On another note, I'd not be surprised if the people who rely on the IOM service are glad to see the back of T3 and a warm welcome to Manx2, due to the price.
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yes, i really hope manx2 does well but long term it will have to look at its fleet. they are doing the right thing by starting small and running a very economic aircraft on lease agreement.... but doubt it will be a popular choice with the pax... even the JS32 wins up against a LET.
T3 did well to pull in the loads it did for so long.. this was purely because many of its pax used the service to travel to relatives on the IOM or vise versa.... and to be honest many of the pax were elderley and purely paid £100'sssss for the ease of LBA travel.. otherwise it was the M62 route and Manchester hell!!!!
The 2 daily manx2 service will really work i think and looking at the price scales.. its even going to attract day trippers!!!
..... iam going to go do a price match me thinks with T3 and FLYBE... see what the result is
T3 did well to pull in the loads it did for so long.. this was purely because many of its pax used the service to travel to relatives on the IOM or vise versa.... and to be honest many of the pax were elderley and purely paid £100'sssss for the ease of LBA travel.. otherwise it was the M62 route and Manchester hell!!!!
The 2 daily manx2 service will really work i think and looking at the price scales.. its even going to attract day trippers!!!
..... iam going to go do a price match me thinks with T3 and FLYBE... see what the result is