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Astraeus and Palmair
three new winter destinations for Palmair have been introduced. We will have direct flights from Bournemouth to Egypt, Cyprus and Malta, in addition to the ever popular Canary Islands, Madeira, Majorca and the Algarve.
Palmair has served Bournemouth Airport for over 48 years, and is now poised to find new holiday routes to expand the inclusive holiday market. All the above new destinations have been visited by directors of Palmair and hotels have been carefully selected. In order to reach the more distant destinations of Cyprus and Luxor in Egypt, we will be using a longer range Boeing 737 operated by Astraeus Airlines, with Palmair crew providing the in-flight service.
But there is still more to come. For the first time ever Palmair will offer some three and four day winter city breaks. What makes these trips unique is that in order to keep the holiday costs down, the aircraft will stay at the destination airport, together with the flight crew, and return you to Bournemouth after your holiday.
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Great news a step up the ladder.
Palmair has served Bournemouth Airport for over 48 years, and is now poised to find new holiday routes to expand the inclusive holiday market. All the above new destinations have been visited by directors of Palmair and hotels have been carefully selected. In order to reach the more distant destinations of Cyprus and Luxor in Egypt, we will be using a longer range Boeing 737 operated by Astraeus Airlines, with Palmair crew providing the in-flight service.
But there is still more to come. For the first time ever Palmair will offer some three and four day winter city breaks. What makes these trips unique is that in order to keep the holiday costs down, the aircraft will stay at the destination airport, together with the flight crew, and return you to Bournemouth after your holiday.
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Great news a step up the ladder.
How does leaving the aircraft on the ground for x number of days keep holiday costs down?
Time was when an operator would look on such a trip to tie it in with a travel organiser at the destination to operate a "3 day shopping/football/whatever trip to London" or similar, which would give two revenue-earning return trips. I guess with low-cost carriers that market has been diluted somewhat, people do these on their own now. I presume the airline will still be looking for any ad-hoc work while on the ground at the destination.
Presume they're using European 737s for this, which are fully depreciated and have no other winter revenue work in prospect.
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I think that the truth is that Palmair have suffered badly from the BIG T at BOH. They need to escape the near Europe market and the old 732 of EAC just do have the puff to go far enough.
So in comes JH and his team. Now that Mr Bath is no longer a shareholder but a major (£12m) or thereabouts creditor of the still in "creditors arrangement" EAC, how long can Palmair continue to be involved in Palmair European?
Just reckon that "ashtrays are us" could get the whole of Palmairs business if they played it right. Could be part of their salvation to get them away from the £85 LGW PMI seat cost market.
With PS at EAC unable to get a fleet renewal underway how long will the Palmair passengers, who by we all know are not in their first flush of life be prepared to fly in aircraft that are as old or older than them.
The writng is on the wall as they say
So in comes JH and his team. Now that Mr Bath is no longer a shareholder but a major (£12m) or thereabouts creditor of the still in "creditors arrangement" EAC, how long can Palmair continue to be involved in Palmair European?
Just reckon that "ashtrays are us" could get the whole of Palmairs business if they played it right. Could be part of their salvation to get them away from the £85 LGW PMI seat cost market.
With PS at EAC unable to get a fleet renewal underway how long will the Palmair passengers, who by we all know are not in their first flush of life be prepared to fly in aircraft that are as old or older than them.
The writng is on the wall as they say
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Obviously you enjoy flying to Atyrau as much as me. The only use CIP in the terminal is to get away from cattleshed otherwise known as the departure lounge. As I get to fly in and out every week, the place is a pain.
Poka
Obviously you enjoy flying to Atyrau as much as me. The only use CIP in the terminal is to get away from cattleshed otherwise known as the departure lounge. As I get to fly in and out every week, the place is a pain.
Poka
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Astraeus to Agra
This has been raised before. In today`Sunday Times is advertisement for Voyages Jules Verne. Apparently you can go to Agra on a two day (!!!) trip trip to see Taj Mahal. (Two days, for heavens sake?) Flight is AEU in a 757 with 35" pitch. Premium class has window seat with free seat, separate check in, exec lounge, free bar and newspapers. Does AEU reconfigurate aircraft just for this trip. Also mentions `technical stop` en route. What`s crewing arrangements? They don`t take her all the way there and back in one go, do they?
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Straight from the Horses Mouth:
Agra
A new operation to Agra in India commences on Monday 10 October. Astraeus will be operating a weekly charter service from London Gatwick to the Indian city, which is home to the Taj Mahal, on behalf of Voyages Jules Verne.
The service will operate with a technical stop both ways at Ankara in Turkey. The majority of the season will see crews undertaking a minimum rest in Agra between the outward and return flights, but there is a period between early December and late January where schedules have to be adjusted.
Agra, in common with Delhi and other airports in the region, suffers heavily from early morning fog during these two months of the year, and we are therefore scheduling a much later arrival into Agra to combat the risk of fog diversions. The airport’s night closure times do not change, so this leads to reduced ground time in Agra. As a result, the flights will be operated with a slip crew in Agra for the full week during this fog period.
Agra
A new operation to Agra in India commences on Monday 10 October. Astraeus will be operating a weekly charter service from London Gatwick to the Indian city, which is home to the Taj Mahal, on behalf of Voyages Jules Verne.
The service will operate with a technical stop both ways at Ankara in Turkey. The majority of the season will see crews undertaking a minimum rest in Agra between the outward and return flights, but there is a period between early December and late January where schedules have to be adjusted.
Agra, in common with Delhi and other airports in the region, suffers heavily from early morning fog during these two months of the year, and we are therefore scheduling a much later arrival into Agra to combat the risk of fog diversions. The airport’s night closure times do not change, so this leads to reduced ground time in Agra. As a result, the flights will be operated with a slip crew in Agra for the full week during this fog period.
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igb56,
As Blightly Pilot writes, the crew operate LGW-ESB-AGR, have a minimum rest layover in Agra, and then operate home (hence the opportunity for passengers to spend the day in Agra). First flight went out full this week, so it looks like a winner for Voyages Jules Verne.
As Blightly Pilot writes, the crew operate LGW-ESB-AGR, have a minimum rest layover in Agra, and then operate home (hence the opportunity for passengers to spend the day in Agra). First flight went out full this week, so it looks like a winner for Voyages Jules Verne.
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I believe this is a two crew operation - with change over at ESB and min rest at AGR for second crew. According to the website all the Astraeus 757s have 35" pitch throughout.
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Agra 12
Twelve passengers?
International flights have started from Agra. On Tuesday, “Voyages Jules Verne”, a UK-based tour operator struck a tie-up with SITA travels, a division of the Kuoni Travel group, India, for the operation of international chartered flights directly from the UK to this city.
The first flight in this series of 32 weekly flights landed at Agra airport on Tuesday, carrying 189 tourists from the UK in an Astraeus Boeing 757 aircraft, which flew back to the UK the same evening, carrying 12 passengers on the return trip.
International flights have started from Agra. On Tuesday, “Voyages Jules Verne”, a UK-based tour operator struck a tie-up with SITA travels, a division of the Kuoni Travel group, India, for the operation of international chartered flights directly from the UK to this city.
The first flight in this series of 32 weekly flights landed at Agra airport on Tuesday, carrying 189 tourists from the UK in an Astraeus Boeing 757 aircraft, which flew back to the UK the same evening, carrying 12 passengers on the return trip.
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IGB....
First charter out of the UK is usually full, then the return is usually close to empty, as there are few charter passengers to return from the first tour.
Perfectly normal
First charter out of the UK is usually full, then the return is usually close to empty, as there are few charter passengers to return from the first tour.
Perfectly normal
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Suggest that as this is advertised as a day trip 177 "day trippers" went missing, quite a problem for the tour operator. I wonder is someone running a seat only Indian operation as a charter without the necessary traffic rights?
Cant imagine that Astraeus would do this so I guess the return figures are wrong, at least I hope so.
There appears to be some strange things happenning though to Ghana ex LGW with the 757 of their neighbours in FJ!!!
By the way for £15 I will take anyone to the Taj Mahal. Its not quite the real thing but it is my favourate restaurant in SEN. It has nice pictures on the wall of the real thing and it does not take 3 days out of your life in one of Mr Boeings finest flying machines. The Cobra is also better
Suggest that as this is advertised as a day trip 177 "day trippers" went missing, quite a problem for the tour operator. I wonder is someone running a seat only Indian operation as a charter without the necessary traffic rights?
Cant imagine that Astraeus would do this so I guess the return figures are wrong, at least I hope so.
There appears to be some strange things happenning though to Ghana ex LGW with the 757 of their neighbours in FJ!!!
By the way for £15 I will take anyone to the Taj Mahal. Its not quite the real thing but it is my favourate restaurant in SEN. It has nice pictures on the wall of the real thing and it does not take 3 days out of your life in one of Mr Boeings finest flying machines. The Cobra is also better
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Girt..it is also advertised as a weeks tour..and having spoken to a crew member this morning, he was under the impression that the majority of passengers will be returning next week. So far as seat only, you cant buy a ticket on AEU..its hard enough for employees to get one through staff travel!
As regards FJE, I understand there is a crew currently stranded in Accra..to go along with pax back here in the UK.
As regards FJE, I understand there is a crew currently stranded in Accra..to go along with pax back here in the UK.
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Astraeus Deer Lake Newfoundland
Anyone know if Astraeus are flying the Deer Lake route next summer and what day they will do it on.Out of interest do the crews slip in Deer Lake ,guess FTL,s might just make a there and back possible as Egyptian destinations.Interesting to see the 700 used so adventurously!!.Thanks
