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This has been mooted a number of times in the financial press during the last three months. If they have more monies than sense then it would be a good move to make their main base at LHR. If they are to become the global masters they will have to have a large base in the EU. Wait until WW has sorted out the pension fund and the T5 work practises are agreed, could be by next summer 2007.
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ek orders 50 new jets.
Emirates has plans to order up to 50 or more mid-size jets to fill a gap in its fleet, a company official confirmed.
Mike Simon, senior vice president of corporate communications for Emirates, said the airline was talking to Airbus about its new A350XWB and to Boeing about its 787 Dreamliner to expand its fleet of planes in the 250- to 350-passenger category.
"It probably would be around 50, or maybe more," Simon said. At around $150 million per plane according to list price, such an order would come out to $7.5 billion.
Emirates already has about 100 planes on order, including 43 of the giant Airbus A380s which are suffering a 22-month delay.
Emirates has given its design preferences to both manufacturers, said Simon, suggesting that the company that Emirates selects for the contract may be the one that changes its planes to fit its needs.
'Nitty-gritty'
"We have talked to Boeing and we are hoping that they will eventually produce a 787 with a longer range and a bit higher [seating] capacity," Simon said. He also said Emirates still needed to get into the "nitty-gritty" and see what the A350 planes could do. "It's still in the very early stages," he said.
On December 1 Airbus announced it would go ahead with the A350XWB, a larger, more powerful version of its A350 with a carry capacity of between 270 to 350 passengers.
The first of the A350WXB planes will be ready in 2012, right at the time Emirates will replace its Airbus A330 aircraft and its older Boeing 777s.
'Nitty-gritty'
"We have talked to Boeing and we are hoping that they will eventually produce a 787 with a longer range and a bit higher [seating] capacity," Simon said. He also said Emirates still needed to get into the "nitty-gritty" and see what the A350 planes could do. "It's still in the very early stages," he said.
On December 1 Airbus announced it would go ahead with the A350XWB, a larger, more powerful version of its A350 with a carry capacity of between 270 to 350 passengers.
The first of the A350WXB planes will be ready in 2012, right at the time Emirates will replace its Airbus A330 aircraft and its older Boeing 777s.
Mike Simon, senior vice president of corporate communications for Emirates, said the airline was talking to Airbus about its new A350XWB and to Boeing about its 787 Dreamliner to expand its fleet of planes in the 250- to 350-passenger category.
"It probably would be around 50, or maybe more," Simon said. At around $150 million per plane according to list price, such an order would come out to $7.5 billion.
Emirates already has about 100 planes on order, including 43 of the giant Airbus A380s which are suffering a 22-month delay.
Emirates has given its design preferences to both manufacturers, said Simon, suggesting that the company that Emirates selects for the contract may be the one that changes its planes to fit its needs.
'Nitty-gritty'
"We have talked to Boeing and we are hoping that they will eventually produce a 787 with a longer range and a bit higher [seating] capacity," Simon said. He also said Emirates still needed to get into the "nitty-gritty" and see what the A350 planes could do. "It's still in the very early stages," he said.
On December 1 Airbus announced it would go ahead with the A350XWB, a larger, more powerful version of its A350 with a carry capacity of between 270 to 350 passengers.
The first of the A350WXB planes will be ready in 2012, right at the time Emirates will replace its Airbus A330 aircraft and its older Boeing 777s.
'Nitty-gritty'
"We have talked to Boeing and we are hoping that they will eventually produce a 787 with a longer range and a bit higher [seating] capacity," Simon said. He also said Emirates still needed to get into the "nitty-gritty" and see what the A350 planes could do. "It's still in the very early stages," he said.
On December 1 Airbus announced it would go ahead with the A350XWB, a larger, more powerful version of its A350 with a carry capacity of between 270 to 350 passengers.
The first of the A350WXB planes will be ready in 2012, right at the time Emirates will replace its Airbus A330 aircraft and its older Boeing 777s.
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That's the result of a business friendly environment and NO silly little anti-business Giddy Matrons we have become beset with here in the UK. I doubt BA can match such a frantic pace and that which we are all witnessing in the Middle East, South East Asia and the Pacific Rim.
That's what old full fat and full taste Socialist Gordon should have been thinking about when compiling his meaningless pre-budget speech yesterday.
That's what old full fat and full taste Socialist Gordon should have been thinking about when compiling his meaningless pre-budget speech yesterday.
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There's also the point that Emirates don't have quite the pension liability millstone around the corporate neck that BA have...
Actually the title of this thread is a bit misleading - it implies Emirates have placed an order. The opening line of the pasted-in article reads "Emirates has plans to order up to 50 or more mid-size jets" but the thrust of the article is that an order will not be placed for several (possibly quite a few) months.
Actually the title of this thread is a bit misleading - it implies Emirates have placed an order. The opening line of the pasted-in article reads "Emirates has plans to order up to 50 or more mid-size jets" but the thrust of the article is that an order will not be placed for several (possibly quite a few) months.
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This is going to be a very hotly fought order and indeed, although EK is the focus of this thread, I can see many other carriers - CX, BA, IB etc - deciding between the A350-1000 and 787-10. I would expect to see the latter formally launched within the first quarter of '07.
If I were a betting man, I would say that EK's already stated interest in the 747-8I will have an impact on the decision; it wouldn't surprise me if EK decided to become a launch customer for the 787-10 and order 747-8Is (of whatever length, as Boeing hasn't ruled out building the smaller model of the 747-8 specifically for EK's requirement - and that decision could itself be crucial).
LH is also in the market for an aircraft of A350/787 size and yesterday's order, combined with the fact that the 787 is more suitable to short-medium haul routes than the A350 (which is intended as a long hauler) should favour the Boeing. It wouldn't surprise me to see the 787-10/747-8I pattern being continued in order major orders, such as CX and BA.
If I were a betting man, I would say that EK's already stated interest in the 747-8I will have an impact on the decision; it wouldn't surprise me if EK decided to become a launch customer for the 787-10 and order 747-8Is (of whatever length, as Boeing hasn't ruled out building the smaller model of the 747-8 specifically for EK's requirement - and that decision could itself be crucial).
LH is also in the market for an aircraft of A350/787 size and yesterday's order, combined with the fact that the 787 is more suitable to short-medium haul routes than the A350 (which is intended as a long hauler) should favour the Boeing. It wouldn't surprise me to see the 787-10/747-8I pattern being continued in order major orders, such as CX and BA.
To me, the biggest problem would be how to use any information Airbus gives on the 350. Is anyone, ever, going to believe a new Airbus type will be delivered on time and with performance that matches the launch retoric?
The jury also seems to be out as to wether the 787 will be a common type rating with the 777, so cross crewing potential comes into it.
And the 787 and 747-8 use the same engine, do they not?
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Surfing done. SWH is correct in that the fan diam on the GEnx for 787 is 111" and for the 747-8, 104" but they appear to be getting classified by the manufacturer as essentially the same engine:
To date, 17 customers have placed firm orders for more than 575 GEnx engines. The engine will power the Boeing 787 and 747-8 and the Airbus A350 aircraft. The value of the engines sold is more than $7 billion.
Reading some of Boeing's blurb when EK first started making noises about 787-10, it appears Boeing have been reluctant to kick off a -10 is because it would effectively kill off the 777. Hence Boeing probably don't want to do that until the programme has met its long-term revenue targets. Of course, come 2015 or so the 777 programme will be getting towards 30 years old and so looking at its natural run-down, but right now Boeing would be understandably reticent to promise anything which would impact sales of one of its most profitable programmes.
Hence it would probably want to be looking at launching with 3 or 4 large orders for the -10 before it committed.
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To me, the biggest problem would be how to use any information Airbus gives on the 350. Is anyone, ever, going to believe a new Airbus type will be delivered on time and with performance that matches the launch retoric?
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... and the fact that Dubai Holdings is talking about buying a large slice of EADS shares would have absolutely no bearing on applying a littte more pressure on Boeing to come up with the best deal they can possibly offer.
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Sorry, but
Where is the order for 50 new jets then? The headline was as actual news. It's just a rumour at this stage? Has an order been placed or not? If not, why was it posted as a positive item of news?
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Emirates to buy BA?
As I understand the rules today, EK could only buy 49% of BA which is not a controlling interest. Any more and the Yanks would pull our Bermuda 2 approval thus killing the most profitable routes. (Thats JFK etc not BDA for our famous misunderstanders ! )
Then there is the pension deficit which EK would have to assume in proportion to their stake.
Then there's BALPA and our "sacred" scheduling document.
Then there's our well motivated and hardworking ground staff
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I won't even begin to tell you about the CC ( currently ballotting for a strike)
Until all those issues are sorted I wouldn't get too excited.....
Then there is the pension deficit which EK would have to assume in proportion to their stake.
Then there's BALPA and our "sacred" scheduling document.
Then there's our well motivated and hardworking ground staff
.I won't even begin to tell you about the CC ( currently ballotting for a strike)
Until all those issues are sorted I wouldn't get too excited.....
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ek to order 12 new 777's
this was taken out of todays gulf news
Emirates denies plan for new Boeing 777 order
Staff Report
Dubai: Emirates, the secondbiggest Arab airline, yesterday denied a report saying it has plans to order an additional 12 Boeing 777-300ERs valued at $3 billion.
A Bloomberg report earlier said that the planned purchase was because of the delays on the Airbus A380 superjumbo jet, quoting vice-chairman Maurice Flanagan.
"We've ordered 54 777-300ERs already to help us plug the gap left by the A380 on routes like New York, Sydney and Melbourne," Flanagan said in Davos, Switzerland. "We're now going to order 12 more 777-300ERs for delivery hopefully in 2008 for the same reason."
The airline has 45 of Airbus's 555-seat A380 on order, making the airline the biggest customer for the plane. Deliveries of the first A380s are running two years late. The airline now expects its A380 deliveries to start in August 2008, rather than April 2007, with the planes starting commercial service in the last two months of 2008.
The Boeing order is "imminent," Flanagan said. The delay from the A380 affects the airline's plans to fly to St Petersburg, Kiev, Madrid and Barcelona. The carrier is seeking compensation from Airbus to make up for the revenue lost through the delays.
"We won't be modest in our demands," Flanagan said. "When we get our first A380 we should have had 18, a huge hit on the airline and on its revenue producing capability."
Emirates has a cash balance of $3 billion at the moment so doesn't need to borrow to finance fleet expansion. In April at the end of its financial year, the airline will announce profits higher than last year's, Flanagan said, declining to be specific.
The planemaker is also looking to buy as many as 100 airliners in the 300-seat category and is considering both Airbus's A350 XWB and Boeing Co.'s competing 787, Flanagan said.
"We'll make our minds up on this order when we're entirely clear on what these models offer," he said. "We're not clear on the A350 widebody yet. We expect a clear picture from Airbus in a few months."
European Aeronautic, Defence & Space, the parent company of Toulouse, France-based Airbus, said January 17 that it will take charges for penalty payments to customers, writedowns of assets and the cost of a reorganisation in 2006 instead of 2007 as expected, producing a loss before interest and tax at the planemaking unit.
Emirates denies plan for new Boeing 777 order
Staff Report
Dubai: Emirates, the secondbiggest Arab airline, yesterday denied a report saying it has plans to order an additional 12 Boeing 777-300ERs valued at $3 billion.
A Bloomberg report earlier said that the planned purchase was because of the delays on the Airbus A380 superjumbo jet, quoting vice-chairman Maurice Flanagan.
"We've ordered 54 777-300ERs already to help us plug the gap left by the A380 on routes like New York, Sydney and Melbourne," Flanagan said in Davos, Switzerland. "We're now going to order 12 more 777-300ERs for delivery hopefully in 2008 for the same reason."
The airline has 45 of Airbus's 555-seat A380 on order, making the airline the biggest customer for the plane. Deliveries of the first A380s are running two years late. The airline now expects its A380 deliveries to start in August 2008, rather than April 2007, with the planes starting commercial service in the last two months of 2008.
The Boeing order is "imminent," Flanagan said. The delay from the A380 affects the airline's plans to fly to St Petersburg, Kiev, Madrid and Barcelona. The carrier is seeking compensation from Airbus to make up for the revenue lost through the delays.
"We won't be modest in our demands," Flanagan said. "When we get our first A380 we should have had 18, a huge hit on the airline and on its revenue producing capability."
Emirates has a cash balance of $3 billion at the moment so doesn't need to borrow to finance fleet expansion. In April at the end of its financial year, the airline will announce profits higher than last year's, Flanagan said, declining to be specific.
The planemaker is also looking to buy as many as 100 airliners in the 300-seat category and is considering both Airbus's A350 XWB and Boeing Co.'s competing 787, Flanagan said.
"We'll make our minds up on this order when we're entirely clear on what these models offer," he said. "We're not clear on the A350 widebody yet. We expect a clear picture from Airbus in a few months."
European Aeronautic, Defence & Space, the parent company of Toulouse, France-based Airbus, said January 17 that it will take charges for penalty payments to customers, writedowns of assets and the cost of a reorganisation in 2006 instead of 2007 as expected, producing a loss before interest and tax at the planemaking unit.
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The planemaker is also looking to buy as many as 100 airliners in the 300-seat category and is considering both Airbus's A350 XWB and Boeing Co.'s competing 787, Flanagan said.
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