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"Whilst the move to LBA may advantageous to a very small minority, the vast majority are being thrown on the scrapheap. The sucess and growth of Jet2 could have been achieved at BOH. Other lowcost airlines have seen, and are expoliting that potential."
ILS,
The very small majority you mention consists of Nearly all the Flight Crew, Cabin Crew and Engineers. Having all the support @ BOH just doesn't make sense. The writing was on the wall for a while. How many aircraft operate not just in BOH but in the south?
Yes there may be potential @ BOH but there's definetly alot of potential between LBA, MAN, NCL, BLK, EDI and BFS.
However, from the way I've seen the company treat all the Staff @ BOH over recent months, my company loyalty remains to be purely selfish, I'll take what I need out of them and move on.
Alot of good people are being F****d over @ BOH. The best of luck to all who don't decide to make the move.
ILS,
The very small majority you mention consists of Nearly all the Flight Crew, Cabin Crew and Engineers. Having all the support @ BOH just doesn't make sense. The writing was on the wall for a while. How many aircraft operate not just in BOH but in the south?
Yes there may be potential @ BOH but there's definetly alot of potential between LBA, MAN, NCL, BLK, EDI and BFS.
However, from the way I've seen the company treat all the Staff @ BOH over recent months, my company loyalty remains to be purely selfish, I'll take what I need out of them and move on.
Alot of good people are being F****d over @ BOH. The best of luck to all who don't decide to make the move.
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To be fare, no company relocation is ever going to be nice and from what I can gather a large percentage of staff are making the move north. With a far cheaper way of life up here, the move equates to a decent % pay rise. I hope everyone that's involved who are unable to relocate can find alternative employment soon, all the best and good luck.
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"Large percentage"...i don't think so!
"Cheaper way of life"...i don't think so, unless your standards of where you want to live are low! The cost of living is not that different to the south.
"Cheaper way of life"...i don't think so, unless your standards of where you want to live are low! The cost of living is not that different to the south.
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Like I said, it's sad for those involved but that's life. Also I must add, a pint of beer in a town local to LBA is 1.50 - 2.00 and your only a few minutes from the Yorkshire Dales.
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Leodis.... a couple of qusetions for you
Would this large percentage be the 11 or 12 people (mostly directors or senior managers) who have expressed an interest in the move to LBA ? The terms for relocation don't seem to have been welcomed too much by the majority of the BOH staff.
and where is this cheaper way of life... a comprable house in a half reasonable area (not Leeds city centre) is as much as a property here in the Bournemouth area.
Would this large percentage be the 11 or 12 people (mostly directors or senior managers) who have expressed an interest in the move to LBA ? The terms for relocation don't seem to have been welcomed too much by the majority of the BOH staff.
and where is this cheaper way of life... a comprable house in a half reasonable area (not Leeds city centre) is as much as a property here in the Bournemouth area.
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Agreed Relocation will never be nice. The management have been very short sighted so far. The staff simply do not trust the Management. Lie after Lie "What I can gather a large percentage" I wonder which manager told you that. "the move equates to a decent pay rise" relocation package does not cover the relocation! bang goes that rise... Cheap beer and the Yorkshire Dales thats sold it better put my house on the market now. It could of all been done so much better, dont worry you will find this out soon.
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Agreed Relocation will never be nice. The management have been very short sighted so far. The staff simply do not trust the Management. Lie after Lie "What I can gather a large percentage" I wonder which manager told you that. "the move equates to a decent pay rise" relocation package does not cover the relocation! bang goes that rise... Cheap beer and the Yorkshire Dales thats sold it better put my house on the market now. It could of all been done so much better, dont worry you will find this out soon.
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ILS and bartelby - I agree with you wholeheartedly. Leodis… I think Ops Cat has you on that one!
I know that the move to LBA will have severe consequences for the company as a whole which will take a long time to rectify. The move north in itself is not the problem… it’s the resulting vast loss of experience that will inevitably occur as a result. Experience that will not be recovered.
Personally speaking as aircrew, it makes no difference where Ops/Crewing/Rostering/Hotac and all the admin functions are…. it’s simply irrelevant. We turn up in the crew room and make a phone call - it makes no difference where we phone. However, the professional and friendly way our calls are handled, the relationships developed thus far and the overall high level of experience in BOH generally is what makes the difference. The difference is experience which after all, keeps the CAA happy.
Manchester Airport Group owns Bournemouth Airport. They probably paid a fair amount of money to get PM to agree to vacate the office space at BOH prior to the end of the remaining lease. This will free up the land to enable the new terminal buildings to be constructed. This payment no doubt goes towards the LBA relocation or redundancy packages on offer to BOH personnel. My point is why not simply pocket the cash and relocate locally and retain the office experience? This in turn will save the company a lot of money making the high number of redundancy payments and save the inevitable operational problems that will result as new staff at LBA get up to speed. Why the move to LBA? I think simply this… Does PM understand delegation? No. Having everything local to him means he can keep his hands on everything.
Surely there are a number of expansion possibilities at BOH. For example: European Aviation operates the extremely popular Palmair flights, are they going to be there forever? I don’t think so. Could Jet2 pick up those flights? Perhaps. And what about the Engineering possibilities at BOH with regard to in-house maintenance using our own and ex EAC personnel? After all isn’t Engineering and Parts Trading staying in BOH? Where is the logic there?
I don’t see why we restrict ourselves to being a Northern Airline. Yes, there have been opportunities in the north but would it not make better business sense to put a base where there is an untapped market, regardless of latitude? Do EZ and FR restrict themselves to a particular area – I don’t think so.
Personally, 'if it aint broke don't fix it!' ...... I think that PM has been pretty much on the ball so far with regard to the way he has directed the activities of Jet2 …. Until now that is. I really do think that the loss of BOH will cause serious problems for the airline. It will certainly give the CAA something to get their teeth into at LBA! To all of you at BOH, who don’t deserve this kick in the teeth. Good luck for the future, I take my hat off to you… well I would if we weren’t low cost and I had a hat!!
LCM
I know that the move to LBA will have severe consequences for the company as a whole which will take a long time to rectify. The move north in itself is not the problem… it’s the resulting vast loss of experience that will inevitably occur as a result. Experience that will not be recovered.
Personally speaking as aircrew, it makes no difference where Ops/Crewing/Rostering/Hotac and all the admin functions are…. it’s simply irrelevant. We turn up in the crew room and make a phone call - it makes no difference where we phone. However, the professional and friendly way our calls are handled, the relationships developed thus far and the overall high level of experience in BOH generally is what makes the difference. The difference is experience which after all, keeps the CAA happy.
Manchester Airport Group owns Bournemouth Airport. They probably paid a fair amount of money to get PM to agree to vacate the office space at BOH prior to the end of the remaining lease. This will free up the land to enable the new terminal buildings to be constructed. This payment no doubt goes towards the LBA relocation or redundancy packages on offer to BOH personnel. My point is why not simply pocket the cash and relocate locally and retain the office experience? This in turn will save the company a lot of money making the high number of redundancy payments and save the inevitable operational problems that will result as new staff at LBA get up to speed. Why the move to LBA? I think simply this… Does PM understand delegation? No. Having everything local to him means he can keep his hands on everything.
Surely there are a number of expansion possibilities at BOH. For example: European Aviation operates the extremely popular Palmair flights, are they going to be there forever? I don’t think so. Could Jet2 pick up those flights? Perhaps. And what about the Engineering possibilities at BOH with regard to in-house maintenance using our own and ex EAC personnel? After all isn’t Engineering and Parts Trading staying in BOH? Where is the logic there?
I don’t see why we restrict ourselves to being a Northern Airline. Yes, there have been opportunities in the north but would it not make better business sense to put a base where there is an untapped market, regardless of latitude? Do EZ and FR restrict themselves to a particular area – I don’t think so. Personally, 'if it aint broke don't fix it!' ...... I think that PM has been pretty much on the ball so far with regard to the way he has directed the activities of Jet2 …. Until now that is. I really do think that the loss of BOH will cause serious problems for the airline. It will certainly give the CAA something to get their teeth into at LBA! To all of you at BOH, who don’t deserve this kick in the teeth. Good luck for the future, I take my hat off to you… well I would if we weren’t low cost and I had a hat!!
LCM
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A colleague told me Jet 2 were dropping the LGW-MAN route soon.Doesn,t seem to have been much of a success and my company stopped used them for crew positioning after giving them a try because of their excess baggage charging.Can anyone confirm if the rumour is true and if so on what date will they cease to fly the route.
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Excellent news, if true.
Jet 2's baggage charge was a pain in the *** when going away on a 8 day trip.
Their 18kg was hopeless against BA's 32kg - particularly as BA was doing return tickets for £65-00.
Jet 2's baggage charge was a pain in the *** when going away on a 8 day trip.
Their 18kg was hopeless against BA's 32kg - particularly as BA was doing return tickets for £65-00.
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I don't really see the need for Jet2 to operate this route. The company doesn't have the brand visibility in London that they do in the north, so few Londoners would probably consider Jet2 for a trip up to Manchester. Also consider that BA have regular flights to MAN from LGW/LHR with onward connections, bmi serve LHR & VLM are doing LCY. Throw into that the far improved train connections between the two cities, and you have to ask why Jet2 are trying to compete.
In all fairness, BA were mugging people for MAN-LGW returns before Jet2 came along, and it was inevitable that someone would have a go at the route before long. However, Jet2 have made a pretty fist of it - awareness of the route at the Gatwick end is virtually non-existent. Some advertising in North Terminal to attract the BA customers might have been a good idea, but none has been done. Add to that the cuts in weekend flights, often required by airlines to move pos crews back and forth, and it is not a good recipe.
If they do pull off, it will not be a surprise. But one can only hope that BA increase capacity slightly instead of just racking fares back up.
If they do pull off, it will not be a surprise. But one can only hope that BA increase capacity slightly instead of just racking fares back up.
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And yet a friend working for Menzies at MAN informs me that loads on this route are better than they ever have been. The downgrade in aircraft is maybe a sign it is soon to be dropped but I thought EDI would have gone first. That route has never done particularly well. I'm a little disappointed in LS. After launching at MAN with a bang, they seem to have fizzled out and look like they're concentrating their expansion at BLK and NCL instead
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Loads are all well and good but if the yields are low as well then it doesnt mean much.
Also, you have to question their promotions too, they advertise every week in the West Sussex County Times with the slogan "The North's low cost airline" (or similar) is this likely to attract passengers from Sussex who travel BA? They'd be lucky!
Also, you have to question their promotions too, they advertise every week in the West Sussex County Times with the slogan "The North's low cost airline" (or similar) is this likely to attract passengers from Sussex who travel BA? They'd be lucky!
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LGW-MAN available for booking on the Jet2 website up until 27th October, though at 3.99 each way plus tax presumably the flights on that date aren't particularly full yet!