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They are not going 'bust'
The MOD contract was not renewed by the MOD ; the operator of the a-c for the MOD run could not commit to its availablity; it therefore went to tender
The Pilots on that run were supplied by the operators of the a-c; cabin crew from the XL Pool
Several of the older types in the fleet are being disposed of as they go off lease; therefore a reduction in Crew numbers is needed for the next 18 months
XL have kept their staff well informed about what is going on
No pain; no gain
B 743 have high capacity as well as high operating costs; the SFB programme will be a mix of B767/A330 for the next 18 months ; thereafter all A330; 40 % less seats but maybe 50 % of the cost to operate (my guesstimates; not official figures; but hopefully fairly realistic)
If your partner is crew; he'she will have received all the communication from the company; posts such as yours do NOTHING but scaremonger amongst cutsomers/fellow employees and do no good whatsover IMHO
The MOD contract was not renewed by the MOD ; the operator of the a-c for the MOD run could not commit to its availablity; it therefore went to tender
The Pilots on that run were supplied by the operators of the a-c; cabin crew from the XL Pool
Several of the older types in the fleet are being disposed of as they go off lease; therefore a reduction in Crew numbers is needed for the next 18 months
XL have kept their staff well informed about what is going on
No pain; no gain
B 743 have high capacity as well as high operating costs; the SFB programme will be a mix of B767/A330 for the next 18 months ; thereafter all A330; 40 % less seats but maybe 50 % of the cost to operate (my guesstimates; not official figures; but hopefully fairly realistic)
If your partner is crew; he'she will have received all the communication from the company; posts such as yours do NOTHING but scaremonger amongst cutsomers/fellow employees and do no good whatsover IMHO
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Is XLA Airways going bust?
Thank you for the response to the question I asked, just in case i'm unsure of something is'nt the whole meaning of this website to ask questions and find things out as well as deliver information and to assist people's queries? I asked a question Dungeon not scare mongering just a simple question so climb down of your self proclaimed pedastal please you started the post response really well answering questions i had asked, but then you have to finish like you did, its a shame as its people like you that make people leave the pprune site and discuss things elsewhere as negativity like that is not needed, if questions offend you then perhaps you should not sumit to sites like this
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Postings here of rumours of airlines going 'bust' can have a massive detrimental effect on businesses that are doing well. Media folk read these pages and a slight rumour posted on here can turn up as gossip in the newspapers, thus undermining a 'good business'.
Your post referred to 'streamlining' which means just that, and not XL going 't!ts up'!
Folk involved with redundancy are quite legitimate to ask more, but stating that an airline is about to fold needs hard evidence to substantiate such a rumour.
Your post referred to 'streamlining' which means just that, and not XL going 't!ts up'!
Folk involved with redundancy are quite legitimate to ask more, but stating that an airline is about to fold needs hard evidence to substantiate such a rumour.
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Not sure what you meean by sumit but I stand by what I said; your partner flying for XL should be reason enough for you not to make posts like yours; has your partner not had his/her questions answered from the internal communications? ; I did not find your questions offensive; just a little concerning
Also not too sure what in my response can be counted as negativity; I merely set out the facts as I am aware of them; coupled with a certain suspicion that you; not your partner is raising the queries; as Buster says, the viewership of this site is by default industry wide and the words bust and airlines in the same paragraph can do no good to anyone
Just for the record, European have not gone bust; they lost the TCY contract which obviously resulted in a downsizing of the company; as you will be aware many employees ended up at AAE then XL
Finally, the pax load on the ASI run is well coped with by a DC10; it is the cargo lift that will suffer but that is decision that the MOD have made
Not sure what you meean by sumit but I stand by what I said; your partner flying for XL should be reason enough for you not to make posts like yours; has your partner not had his/her questions answered from the internal communications? ; I did not find your questions offensive; just a little concerning
Also not too sure what in my response can be counted as negativity; I merely set out the facts as I am aware of them; coupled with a certain suspicion that you; not your partner is raising the queries; as Buster says, the viewership of this site is by default industry wide and the words bust and airlines in the same paragraph can do no good to anyone
Just for the record, European have not gone bust; they lost the TCY contract which obviously resulted in a downsizing of the company; as you will be aware many employees ended up at AAE then XL
Finally, the pax load on the ASI run is well coped with by a DC10; it is the cargo lift that will suffer but that is decision that the MOD have made
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What does 'bump' mean? Is it a business expression that passed me by? This page of this thread shows how Pprune can allow people a vehicle to drag the good name of a company about, make extraordinary inferences and opinions and hints about the business model and health of a company, then scream when put right by some perfectly lucid answers! Pprune is a soapbox for free speech, however that right certainly gets abused frequently! Step forward Paul1942 for today's prize.
oh dear rainboe, i might have to agree with you here. it seems to me that, if anything excel might actually be moving forward. they have decided to replace old and tired equipment with new. i know its not good news for those who may lose their jobs, but they could not keep this stuff flying economically for much longer.
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Wot, no A330's
That's strange .... Just received by mail an unsolicited 130 page glossy Travel City Direct Florida 2008 second edition brochure which features a full page devoted to the comfort and exceptional value for money 'Getting there in Style' on one of our branded XL Airways Boeing 767 or Airbus A330 aircraft. Mind you, a full page is also devoted to 'Flying on Scheduled' with BA, AA, US Airways or Continental.
Unusual thing about this brochure, there are no flight schedules or prices.
Unusual thing about this brochure, there are no flight schedules or prices.
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Does getting A330's make 'commercial' sense at XL?
I thought the idea was to save money - not spend even more?
They should have bought A330's years ago - instead of that Air Atlantic Scrap!
It would have made more sense.
I thought the idea was to save money - not spend even more?
They should have bought A330's years ago - instead of that Air Atlantic Scrap!
It would have made more sense.
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Have to say i agree with UFGBOY and others, the comments by Paul seemed remarkably uninformed considering his partner had all the information. (And terrible spelling and punctuation...) And the only one getting animated was him...
Simply reading UFGBOY's response would have given him the answers he was seeking.
The A330s are still on order, the company is at last taking the right approach to cutting costs and putting the airline in order. We grew at a ridiculous rate, in too many directions, and now we are getting back on the right path.
Announced today that no pilots will be laid off (except voluntarily), and there has been a lot of communication all the way through.
I think if this restructure is carried through we will be in a much stronger position to get through the winter and have the wonderful summer we are very much overdue!
Simply reading UFGBOY's response would have given him the answers he was seeking.The A330s are still on order, the company is at last taking the right approach to cutting costs and putting the airline in order. We grew at a ridiculous rate, in too many directions, and now we are getting back on the right path.
Announced today that no pilots will be laid off (except voluntarily), and there has been a lot of communication all the way through.
I think if this restructure is carried through we will be in a much stronger position to get through the winter and have the wonderful summer we are very much overdue!
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According to the father in law his manager who passed on the news about the a330,s also said the company would not exist in its present form for very much longer hence his concern (plus at his age getting employment would be a big problem)
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quote ///Heard a rumour that Virgin is intrested in XL, can anyone confirm this!
I'm sure the company spokeman for XL on pprune ALIENS62
will be able to answer the above we await your reply!!
I'm sure the company spokeman for XL on pprune ALIENS62
will be able to answer the above we await your reply!!
