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In answer to your original question, when Thomson first came to DSA their policy was very different to that which we see now. There were a considerable number of capital city 'flight only' flights which, as far as I am aware were well patronised, of which Amsterdam and Prague were but two. There was considerable dismay when the policy changed and these were discontinued in favour of the package bucket and spade flights, and not a few potential DSA pax expressed disappointment that their choice of destination was no longer offered or if it was a 'flight only' fair was so ridiculously expensive it was cheaper to travel to nearby airports rather than go from DSA. So in that sense I don't think Easy are in real competition with the TOM operations more complementing them.
As far as the airport needing pax to be profitable is concerned, well probably it does, but it does seem as though Peel can wait for those to build gradually. There is a LOT of real estate that comes with the airport and it appears that Peel's real priority is to make that profitable first and build the airport profits subsequently.
In answer to your original question, when Thomson first came to DSA their policy was very different to that which we see now. There were a considerable number of capital city 'flight only' flights which, as far as I am aware were well patronised, of which Amsterdam and Prague were but two. There was considerable dismay when the policy changed and these were discontinued in favour of the package bucket and spade flights, and not a few potential DSA pax expressed disappointment that their choice of destination was no longer offered or if it was a 'flight only' fair was so ridiculously expensive it was cheaper to travel to nearby airports rather than go from DSA. So in that sense I don't think Easy are in real competition with the TOM operations more complementing them.
As far as the airport needing pax to be profitable is concerned, well probably it does, but it does seem as though Peel can wait for those to build gradually. There is a LOT of real estate that comes with the airport and it appears that Peel's real priority is to make that profitable first and build the airport profits subsequently.
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A very good point i hdnt taken into account just how much real estate there is around the airport.
I hope Thompson and Easy do well here,its a nice hastle free airport to use.
A very good point i hdnt taken into account just how much real estate there is around the airport.
I hope Thompson and Easy do well here,its a nice hastle free airport to use.
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Doncaster Airport Night Flying
[FONT='Trebuchet MS','sans-serif']The Management at Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield Airport are currently trying to overturn a ban by the Local Council on QC4 aircraft flying in & out of DSA at night.
I have pasted a letter of support below to send to the Council. I do hope you will copy it and send your support for the Airport.
Before January 25th to be sure
thank you
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DMBC Planning Department
Danum House
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Doncaster DN1 1UB
PROPOSAL TO ALTER RESTRICTIONS ON NIGHT CARGO OPERATIONS AT ROBIN HOOD AIRPORT DONCASTER SHEFFIELD –QC4
Dear sir/ madam
I would like to give my support for the proposed relaxation of night flying operations at Robin Hood Airport, by aircraft in the category QC4, for the following reasons
• With QC4 restrictions in place, Robin Hood Airport is being prevented from competing with its competitor airports in the region that do not have this restriction; and which overfly significantly higher population densities than at Doncaster.
• There will be better cargo services offered to local and regional businesses, which will in turn offer more jobs to the local economy, and further strengthen the case for FARRRS.
• Existing noise measures at the airport are some of the most complex and widespread of any airfield in the UK and there are no further plans to relax these, indeed there is an undertaking to continually review them in the future and revise accordingly with due consideration to local residents.
• Aircraft technology is constantly improving and over the next few years the proportion of QC4 aircraft operating will significantly decrease. On current projections for 2016, we are really only talking about allowing a maximum of around 2 QC4 aircraft a week into the airport.
• The vast majority of aircraft using the airport will continue to operate within the boundaries of QC0.5 and QC2.
I feel it is essential that the Planning Committee approve the move to QC4 operations at Robin Hood Airport as soon as possible and I would strongly urge them to do so.
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[FONT='Trebuchet MS','sans-serif']Yours faithfully[/FONT]
I have pasted a letter of support below to send to the Council. I do hope you will copy it and send your support for the Airport.
Before January 25th to be sure
thank you
Your Address
Date
DMBC Planning Department
Danum House
St Sepulchre Gate
Doncaster DN1 1UB
PROPOSAL TO ALTER RESTRICTIONS ON NIGHT CARGO OPERATIONS AT ROBIN HOOD AIRPORT DONCASTER SHEFFIELD –QC4
Dear sir/ madam
I would like to give my support for the proposed relaxation of night flying operations at Robin Hood Airport, by aircraft in the category QC4, for the following reasons
• With QC4 restrictions in place, Robin Hood Airport is being prevented from competing with its competitor airports in the region that do not have this restriction; and which overfly significantly higher population densities than at Doncaster.
• There will be better cargo services offered to local and regional businesses, which will in turn offer more jobs to the local economy, and further strengthen the case for FARRRS.
• Existing noise measures at the airport are some of the most complex and widespread of any airfield in the UK and there are no further plans to relax these, indeed there is an undertaking to continually review them in the future and revise accordingly with due consideration to local residents.
• Aircraft technology is constantly improving and over the next few years the proportion of QC4 aircraft operating will significantly decrease. On current projections for 2016, we are really only talking about allowing a maximum of around 2 QC4 aircraft a week into the airport.
• The vast majority of aircraft using the airport will continue to operate within the boundaries of QC0.5 and QC2.
I feel it is essential that the Planning Committee approve the move to QC4 operations at Robin Hood Airport as soon as possible and I would strongly urge them to do so.
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[FONT='Trebuchet MS','sans-serif']Yours faithfully[/FONT]
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Aer Arran are to provide a daily service to Dublin on behalf of Aer Lingus from 28 March 2010.
Brilliant news recently for the airport
Brilliant news recently for the airport
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Does show that some people need to get a new version of Microsoft 'Airport Manager', looks like they're still using the DOS version.
Usind Doncaster airport as an example, i dont believe management have been able to find a niche upon which to build a stable sustainable pax business there, Peel seem intent on driving large amounts of people through the terminal for revenue, same at MME and LPL. Only LPL seems to be having the desired effect.
Perhaps Peel should have stuck with SZD and found some niche business routes which would have helped the South Yorkshire economy rather than building DSA which only appeals to the leisure pax therefore saturating that market for most of Yorkshire...
DSA is reliant on seasonal leisure travellers, there is only one route which may appeal to business pax but that is only 6x weekly after failing to bring in results on a 2xdaily service. Suggests to me that business potential is negligable.
STN is reliant one or two based airlines like skipness says, DSA relys one one comparitively small based operation from TOM. Taking both into account i know which one will have a better future, better an airport near London than one near Doncaster dont you think?
And then there's Ryanair with Alicante etc to return too.
I imagine 'investors' visit Doncaster rather than another coastal regional airport, for a reason.
Usind Doncaster airport as an example, i dont believe management have been able to find a niche upon which to build a stable sustainable pax business there, Peel seem intent on driving large amounts of people through the terminal for revenue, same at MME and LPL. Only LPL seems to be having the desired effect.
Perhaps Peel should have stuck with SZD and found some niche business routes which would have helped the South Yorkshire economy rather than building DSA which only appeals to the leisure pax therefore saturating that market for most of Yorkshire...
DSA is reliant on seasonal leisure travellers, there is only one route which may appeal to business pax but that is only 6x weekly after failing to bring in results on a 2xdaily service. Suggests to me that business potential is negligable.
STN is reliant one or two based airlines like skipness says, DSA relys one one comparitively small based operation from TOM. Taking both into account i know which one will have a better future, better an airport near London than one near Doncaster dont you think?
And then there's Ryanair with Alicante etc to return too.
I imagine 'investors' visit Doncaster rather than another coastal regional airport, for a reason.
Give it a rest. The fact that you still have to prove yourself right (you are not doing so) suggests that you know very little yourself.
It realy is pathetic you should keep quoting me.... I do, however, go by things i hear. Wether true or not i dont know but they still remain to be seen.
It realy is pathetic you should keep quoting me.... I do, however, go by things i hear. Wether true or not i dont know but they still remain to be seen.
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And then there's Ryanair with Alicante etc to return too.
I imagine 'investors' visit Doncaster rather than another coastal regional airport, for a reason.
Nothing has been PROVED yet has it? I have never said that success is only applicable to MAG. LPL is a great success.
I find it pathetic that your posts are aimed at defending DSA from big bad me. I have a right to an opinion and a right to be proved wrong, to gloat so early on is jumping the gun.
Srange how all of these good announcements comes at a time when Peel are trying to sell a large share is it not?
Who will stump up the cost of EZYcrews nightstopping every night?
I think that until Easyjet announce a base proper, and RE is added to by another interline airline then i will not change my mind.
Funny how my post congratulating DSA of attracting EZY went unnoticed by you posters too is it not? Hence why i think the whole thing is becoming pathetic.
I find it pathetic that your posts are aimed at defending DSA from big bad me. I have a right to an opinion and a right to be proved wrong, to gloat so early on is jumping the gun.
Srange how all of these good announcements comes at a time when Peel are trying to sell a large share is it not?
Who will stump up the cost of EZYcrews nightstopping every night?
I think that until Easyjet announce a base proper, and RE is added to by another interline airline then i will not change my mind.
Funny how my post congratulating DSA of attracting EZY went unnoticed by you posters too is it not? Hence why i think the whole thing is becoming pathetic.
Gosh pug said congratulations, can't find them though, only this
Yet im happy that there has finaly been some good news? Ive always believed that it wasnt needed as have others
oh, and lets not forget this from the other forum
It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not.
Well you don't need to worry about the EZY hotac, Mavis in Costa Coffee has offered to put them up for the night
. And if she's full, no doubt 'Blind Norms Taxi's' will run a LPL-DSA 'redeye shuttle' if previous experience tells me anything
. I see EZY now need to have a base at DSA to be considered worthy. If thats the criteria then BCN must feel well and truly chastened in not being a base.
Oh and now we need interline to make a difference too. Remind me how many interline facilities there are with RYR, WZZ, EZY, TOM, obviously not proper airlines then
So what if Peel are trying to seel a large share, isn't Humberside or part of, up for sale? See below:
The UK’s second largest airport operator, Manchester Airports Group (MAG), is to review its investment in Humberside Airport.
MAG, which also owns Manchester Airport, East Midlands Airport and Bournemouth Airport, has an 82.7% majority stake in the airport but has revealed that a possible transfer of ownership should be considered for the best long-term future of the airport.
So why is it such a big issue that a share of DSA and Peel airports is for sale? If they have a growing business (DSA/Peel) then that will help a sale, if they didn't then there would be less interest, and they would find it far harder to sell, as has been demonstrated locally. E.g. MAG buying into an airport in 1999, and then trying to get rid of it, in its entirety less than six years later. On face value, no great vote of confidence is it? Peel are offering a share in the company, somewhat different to offloading the whole lot. Are you saying that only Humberside is allowed to be for sale?, and if a buyer can't be found for them then no-one else can be for sale?
AH re etc
Gerona may not come back, or Dublin. The fact that ALC is there, has indicated that RYR despite Leeds being a major new base just up the road, considers DSA worthy of returning to. Something as yet that hasn't happened with Ryanairs Humberside services, do correct me if I'm wrong.
I wish no ill on Humberside or importantly its employees, it is however going to struggle, geographically its poorly positioned compared to other airports, and with a seriously ailing local economy,
BBC News - Hull's recession recovery 'slower than UK'
its supporters need to focus a little more on closer to home than whinging inaccurately about what's happening 30 miles away.
Yet im happy that there has finaly been some good news? Ive always believed that it wasnt needed as have others
oh, and lets not forget this from the other forum
It may sound harsh but i find the whole thing quite laughable on the whole. The few of us long-term detractors can say 'told you so' at the moment. I wonder if that will ever change? Im thinking not.
Well you don't need to worry about the EZY hotac, Mavis in Costa Coffee has offered to put them up for the night
. And if she's full, no doubt 'Blind Norms Taxi's' will run a LPL-DSA 'redeye shuttle' if previous experience tells me anything. I see EZY now need to have a base at DSA to be considered worthy. If thats the criteria then BCN must feel well and truly chastened in not being a base.Oh and now we need interline to make a difference too. Remind me how many interline facilities there are with RYR, WZZ, EZY, TOM, obviously not proper airlines then
So what if Peel are trying to seel a large share, isn't Humberside or part of, up for sale? See below:
The UK’s second largest airport operator, Manchester Airports Group (MAG), is to review its investment in Humberside Airport.
MAG, which also owns Manchester Airport, East Midlands Airport and Bournemouth Airport, has an 82.7% majority stake in the airport but has revealed that a possible transfer of ownership should be considered for the best long-term future of the airport.
So why is it such a big issue that a share of DSA and Peel airports is for sale? If they have a growing business (DSA/Peel) then that will help a sale, if they didn't then there would be less interest, and they would find it far harder to sell, as has been demonstrated locally. E.g. MAG buying into an airport in 1999, and then trying to get rid of it, in its entirety less than six years later. On face value, no great vote of confidence is it? Peel are offering a share in the company, somewhat different to offloading the whole lot. Are you saying that only Humberside is allowed to be for sale?, and if a buyer can't be found for them then no-one else can be for sale?
AH re etc
Gerona may not come back, or Dublin. The fact that ALC is there, has indicated that RYR despite Leeds being a major new base just up the road, considers DSA worthy of returning to. Something as yet that hasn't happened with Ryanairs Humberside services, do correct me if I'm wrong.
I wish no ill on Humberside or importantly its employees, it is however going to struggle, geographically its poorly positioned compared to other airports, and with a seriously ailing local economy,
BBC News - Hull's recession recovery 'slower than UK'
its supporters need to focus a little more on closer to home than whinging inaccurately about what's happening 30 miles away.
MAG had the place 8 years before considering selling.
Not sure of the price they paid but a bit of a google search will give you an answer, something around 8 million with a negative net value due to a high interest loan for the developments in the early 90's...
The business is profitable, even now it has lost many of its charter routes, and it is servicing the loan.
It is subject of much debate as to why MAG bought HUY and let it stagnate, it must be remembered that they are a Plc and therefore are risk averse. BOH and EMA are much safer bets in terms of pax services at the moment.
MAG made no committment to sell its shares, and from what i hear they were on the verge of a deal with a very experienced private infrastructure company, though demands could not be met. Must remember that it is not a good time to buy an airport.
Its also worthwhile pointing out that HUY is the only MAG airport that has not had to cut its staff workforce, there is truth in the statement that HUY is a tight profitable business. Of course Jumpseater quite rightly pointed out that pax do not make airports, other niche business on the site keeps things ticking over whilst the charter routes are bottoming out. The one problem is loss of revenue from car parks, though KLM provides sufficient numbers to even keep that ticking over.
As for KLM leaving, that remains to be seen, I would ask where people think the high yielding pax come from to maintain the service? Fact is that despite HUY's relatively isolated geographical location, the nature of business in the core catchment area helps maintain services to AMS and ABZ.
As for future growth, well FlyBe seem to think there is some demand, i would keep watching over the next couple of years for a rejuvinated interest from a well known low cost airline..
Its also worth pointing out that boundary constraints of Hull does not give a reliable picture of the 'City Region'....
Not sure of the price they paid but a bit of a google search will give you an answer, something around 8 million with a negative net value due to a high interest loan for the developments in the early 90's...
The business is profitable, even now it has lost many of its charter routes, and it is servicing the loan.
It is subject of much debate as to why MAG bought HUY and let it stagnate, it must be remembered that they are a Plc and therefore are risk averse. BOH and EMA are much safer bets in terms of pax services at the moment.
MAG made no committment to sell its shares, and from what i hear they were on the verge of a deal with a very experienced private infrastructure company, though demands could not be met. Must remember that it is not a good time to buy an airport.
Its also worthwhile pointing out that HUY is the only MAG airport that has not had to cut its staff workforce, there is truth in the statement that HUY is a tight profitable business. Of course Jumpseater quite rightly pointed out that pax do not make airports, other niche business on the site keeps things ticking over whilst the charter routes are bottoming out. The one problem is loss of revenue from car parks, though KLM provides sufficient numbers to even keep that ticking over.
As for KLM leaving, that remains to be seen, I would ask where people think the high yielding pax come from to maintain the service? Fact is that despite HUY's relatively isolated geographical location, the nature of business in the core catchment area helps maintain services to AMS and ABZ.
As for future growth, well FlyBe seem to think there is some demand, i would keep watching over the next couple of years for a rejuvinated interest from a well known low cost airline..
Its also worth pointing out that boundary constraints of Hull does not give a reliable picture of the 'City Region'....
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Gerona may not come back, or Dublin. The fact that ALC is there, has indicated that RYR despite Leeds being a major new base just up the road, considers DSA worthy of returning to. Something as yet that hasn't happened with Ryanairs Humberside services, do correct me if I'm wrong.
Gerona may not come back, or Dublin. The fact that ALC is there, has indicated that RYR despite Leeds being a major new base just up the road, considers DSA worthy of returning to. Something as yet that hasn't happened with Ryanairs Humberside services, do correct me if I'm wrong.
And since the discussion is fast turning into a pointless HUY vs DSA maybe for everyone just to leave it now
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‘Its also worth pointing out that boundary constraints of Hull does not give a reliable picture of the 'City Region'....
So Pug not sure which part of the universe you’ve arrived from but let the July 2009 figures speak for themselves:
Unemployment in the Yorkshire and Humber region has risen by 41,000 in the last quarter, official figures have shown. Unemployment now stands at 232,000 in the region, or 8.8 per cent of the population. The 1.4 per cent rise in the three months to May 2009 is the second highest in the country, behind the West Midlands, and above the national average, which was 0.9 per cent.
In the East Riding the claimant count has risen from 3,178 to 6,724 between June 2008 and June 2009 – a more than doubling in number.
Add in North Lincs, also the catchment area as you’ve argued and the picture gets even grimmer.
Pug
‘It is subject of much debate as to why MAG bought HUY and let it stagnate, it must be remembered that they are a Plc and therefore are risk averse’
I’ve no idea what the actual reason for a lack of development was but clearly MAG (being 'risk averse' as you inform us), concluded, there was no business case in developing it and decided to sell it. Now very interesting you report that ‘a very experienced private infrastructure company’ didn’t buy it, presumably because they too are ‘risk averse’ and concluded it wasn’t worth buying it, the business case didn’t stack up.
I’m at a loss to understand the differences between the risk awareness of a PLC vs private, as you seem to have provided evidence that they have equal measures of awareness.
A/ MAG not developing the airport and trying to sell it = ‘risk averse’.
B/ A very experienced ‘private infrastructure company’ not buying it = ‘risk averse’
I see you’ve changed your tune and that now ‘pax do not make airports, other niche business on the site keeps things ticking over’, well on this thread and others you’ve argued that pax is what makes an airport work, thats why Doncaster would fail/is failing and that other activities don’t make money. All that training being done at Doncaster then presumably not actually taking place. How strange.
AH
Both yourself and Pug have argued both here and other forums that Doncaster is/was a white elephant, is in the catchment area for Humberside, and will never work. So why should the discussion stop just because there’s a viable comparison with Humberside, it’s nearest commercial competitor, in key areas that you two have brought up here, and eleswhere?
If you feel that strongly about it contact one of the moderators, after all they do the 'policing' not us members.
You were quite right re Ryanair, I only checked the ALC flight. However I was also correct in stating that they hadn’t returned to Humberside to fly Dublin or any new routes. Now despite a new base opening at Leeds, they have returned to Doncaster, that speaks huge volumes about the market that Doncaster has Vs Humberside and the airlines reaction to it. What is also clear is that there is a Dublin market from this region, that is evident in the announcement of the new route from Doncaster this week. That they didn’t choose Humberside indicates the problems Humberside have in attracting new business, and highlights Doncasters ongoing success.
My post is no attempt to put down Humberside, just a factual post.
‘Its also worth pointing out that boundary constraints of Hull does not give a reliable picture of the 'City Region'....
So Pug not sure which part of the universe you’ve arrived from but let the July 2009 figures speak for themselves:
Unemployment in the Yorkshire and Humber region has risen by 41,000 in the last quarter, official figures have shown. Unemployment now stands at 232,000 in the region, or 8.8 per cent of the population. The 1.4 per cent rise in the three months to May 2009 is the second highest in the country, behind the West Midlands, and above the national average, which was 0.9 per cent.
In the East Riding the claimant count has risen from 3,178 to 6,724 between June 2008 and June 2009 – a more than doubling in number.
Add in North Lincs, also the catchment area as you’ve argued and the picture gets even grimmer.
Pug
‘It is subject of much debate as to why MAG bought HUY and let it stagnate, it must be remembered that they are a Plc and therefore are risk averse’
I’ve no idea what the actual reason for a lack of development was but clearly MAG (being 'risk averse' as you inform us), concluded, there was no business case in developing it and decided to sell it. Now very interesting you report that ‘a very experienced private infrastructure company’ didn’t buy it, presumably because they too are ‘risk averse’ and concluded it wasn’t worth buying it, the business case didn’t stack up.
I’m at a loss to understand the differences between the risk awareness of a PLC vs private, as you seem to have provided evidence that they have equal measures of awareness.
A/ MAG not developing the airport and trying to sell it = ‘risk averse’.
B/ A very experienced ‘private infrastructure company’ not buying it = ‘risk averse’
I see you’ve changed your tune and that now ‘pax do not make airports, other niche business on the site keeps things ticking over’, well on this thread and others you’ve argued that pax is what makes an airport work, thats why Doncaster would fail/is failing and that other activities don’t make money. All that training being done at Doncaster then presumably not actually taking place. How strange.
AH
Both yourself and Pug have argued both here and other forums that Doncaster is/was a white elephant, is in the catchment area for Humberside, and will never work. So why should the discussion stop just because there’s a viable comparison with Humberside, it’s nearest commercial competitor, in key areas that you two have brought up here, and eleswhere?
If you feel that strongly about it contact one of the moderators, after all they do the 'policing' not us members.
You were quite right re Ryanair, I only checked the ALC flight. However I was also correct in stating that they hadn’t returned to Humberside to fly Dublin or any new routes. Now despite a new base opening at Leeds, they have returned to Doncaster, that speaks huge volumes about the market that Doncaster has Vs Humberside and the airlines reaction to it. What is also clear is that there is a Dublin market from this region, that is evident in the announcement of the new route from Doncaster this week. That they didn’t choose Humberside indicates the problems Humberside have in attracting new business, and highlights Doncasters ongoing success.
My post is no attempt to put down Humberside, just a factual post.
I see you’ve changed your tune and that now ‘pax do not make airports, other niche business on the site keeps things ticking over’, well on this thread and others you’ve argued that pax is what makes an airport work, thats why Doncaster would fail/is failing and that other activities don’t make money.
East Yorkshire is a large county, the outlying suburbs of Hull which are outside of the boundaries have not seen so many problems. You need to look further north to Bridlington or west towards Goole to find where these unemployment statistics have come from.
What the statistics dont tell you is the ongoing work to significantly increase the dock capacity in Hull and Immingham which will have significant knock on effects on business at the airport such as KLM..
Example for you, if Peel Airports was owned by a number of north west local authorities do you think they would have built DSA? As it happens MAG looked at Finningley before buying HUY and decided it was 'not viable'. It is not to say HUY cannot grow, just that large scale growth would effect any profits and i cant imagine that going down too well with the shareholders can you?
It is likely that the airport will be back up for sale some time in the future when things have picked up, by then i am sure HUY will be back to 2006 levels at least.
You were quite right re Ryanair, I only checked the ALC flight. However I was also correct in stating that they hadn’t returned to Humberside to fly Dublin or any new routes. Now despite a new base opening at Leeds, they have returned to Doncaster, that speaks huge volumes about the market that Doncaster has Vs Humberside and the airlines reaction to it. What is also clear is that there is a Dublin market from this region, that is evident in the announcement of the new route from Doncaster this week. That they didn’t choose Humberside indicates the problems Humberside have in attracting new business, and highlights Doncasters ongoing success.
The fact that since DSA was opened, FR have opened a base at EMA and are soon to open a base at LBA also speaks volumes about DSA. EZY at DSA made sense once they pulled out of EMA, hopefuly they will be more committed to expansion at DSA?
I have personaly never suggested that HUY will be a major problem for DSA, i just hope that Sheffielders will vote favoribly with their feet once Easyjet flights start, and dont continue to cross the pennines or drive 30 mins down the M1 in their droves....
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Attracting Sheffielders.
AirHumberside had it right when he advised people to give the DSA vs HUY thing a rest, so this is nothing to do with any of that, but aims at a point at the end of Pug's last post.
The one thing the arrival of EZY has resulted in is the flooding of local media with advertisements for flights from DSA. On the EGCN forum someone who went to the Keepmoat stadium the other night said there was advertising for DSA all over the place. It has been a bugbear of DSA supporters ever since it opened that it DIDN'T seem to be advertising itself very much and riled us something chronic. Even local people when surveyed didn't seem too aware of the airport's presence. It may well be that now Peel have stabilised the 'satellite businesses' at the airport, they are turning their attention to building the actual airport business itself. Only time will tell, but if all the latest developments signal a policy change in direction then it is very welcome.
The one thing the arrival of EZY has resulted in is the flooding of local media with advertisements for flights from DSA. On the EGCN forum someone who went to the Keepmoat stadium the other night said there was advertising for DSA all over the place. It has been a bugbear of DSA supporters ever since it opened that it DIDN'T seem to be advertising itself very much and riled us something chronic. Even local people when surveyed didn't seem too aware of the airport's presence. It may well be that now Peel have stabilised the 'satellite businesses' at the airport, they are turning their attention to building the actual airport business itself. Only time will tell, but if all the latest developments signal a policy change in direction then it is very welcome.
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Doncaster to New York flights deal sealed - The Star
Flights will be operated by Aer Arann ATR72s.
Doncaster to New York flights deal sealed
BOSSES at Robin Hood Airport are predicting 40 per cent passenger growth next year after securing a deal to offer a Doncaster to New York service.
It follows an agreement with Irish national airline Aer Lingus which will also see daily flights from between Doncaster and Dublin.
The airline will operate what is known as a hub service from Doncaster to New York.
Passengers will change in Dublin, where they will go through US immigration so they can go straight from their plane into the city when the arrive in America. A service will also be available to Boston.
The deal will see flights to Dublin available for the first time since Ryanair pulled its service between the Irish capital and South Yorkshire in March 2009.
Bosses at the airport claim the combination of the deal with Aer Lingus and new flights due to arrive from easyjet will lead to a growth in passenger numbers next year of around 40 per cent, ending a period of falling numbers at Finningley.
Around 60,000 passengers had used the Doncaster to Dublin service in the year before it was axed, making it the most popular route using
Finningley. It also brought inbound tourists, many using the racecourse.
The flights are due to start on March 28.
BOSSES at Robin Hood Airport are predicting 40 per cent passenger growth next year after securing a deal to offer a Doncaster to New York service.
It follows an agreement with Irish national airline Aer Lingus which will also see daily flights from between Doncaster and Dublin.
The airline will operate what is known as a hub service from Doncaster to New York.
Passengers will change in Dublin, where they will go through US immigration so they can go straight from their plane into the city when the arrive in America. A service will also be available to Boston.
The deal will see flights to Dublin available for the first time since Ryanair pulled its service between the Irish capital and South Yorkshire in March 2009.
Bosses at the airport claim the combination of the deal with Aer Lingus and new flights due to arrive from easyjet will lead to a growth in passenger numbers next year of around 40 per cent, ending a period of falling numbers at Finningley.
Around 60,000 passengers had used the Doncaster to Dublin service in the year before it was axed, making it the most popular route using
Finningley. It also brought inbound tourists, many using the racecourse.
The flights are due to start on March 28.
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I wish I were able to fly from my airport to New York via a code share/interline agreement! After Silverjet died, it is easier to fly from Heathrow.
For most travellers, the aircraft equipment and airline that they use to arrive is not significant, the ease and the price certainly are.
Arann are a good reliable airline bailing Aer Lingus out!
For most travellers, the aircraft equipment and airline that they use to arrive is not significant, the ease and the price certainly are.
Arann are a good reliable airline bailing Aer Lingus out!
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I actualy suggested that the business on site were publicly funded schemes
No what you said was on post 283 of this thread
Your right, they wouldnt turn down an airport because it has better aids, but at the same time they wouldnt operate from said airport with all the top facilities if there are no passengers to fly with them... Peel have misplaced optimism and i would question their capability as an airport operator.
You need to look further north to Bridlington or west towards Goole to find where these unemployment statistics have come from.
Nah I speak to my mate working for Hull council, I think he's more reliable than you. Even the Hullcentric BBC Look Hull, sorry, North, seems to have rather regular 'Pete, smashy and nicey Leavy' telling us how poorly the region is faring. Are you suggesting that Bridlington (pop 32,000) and Goole (17,600) make up the majority of the 8.8 percent of the Humber regions unemployed? I think we need to see some validation of that, as it seems at odds to the 314,000 people reported as resident in the East Riding. I get this 'I just made that up' feeling.
As it happens MAG looked at Finningley before buying HUY and decided it was 'not viable'.
So MAG decided that Doncaster was 'not viable' on one hand and that Humberside wasn't worth investing in. Looks like at least one of those decisions was wrong.
Why are you assuming that RE and HUY have held talks?
I'm now certain your own personal assessment was right a few pages back.
I've said or implied no such thing. Try reading what's written in front of you, not what you think is there...
TV, you're right you can expect a lot more orange around Yorkshire, including Humberside in the run-up to EZY's start up, local radio is already getting the orange makeover, heard some today, and Hull based VikingFM, 'nodarf mate' will probably get sponsored for the weather and traffic by easyJet advertising Doncaster services. Its the way Lo-Co's work.
Oh look, what an interesting sponsor ...
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I actualy suggested that the business on site were publicly funded schemes
No what you said was on post 283 of this thread
Your right, they wouldnt turn down an airport because it has better aids, but at the same time they wouldnt operate from said airport with all the top facilities if there are no passengers to fly with them... Peel have misplaced optimism and i would question their capability as an airport operator.
You need to look further north to Bridlington or west towards Goole to find where these unemployment statistics have come from.
Nah I speak to my mate working for Hull council, I think he's more reliable than you. Even the Hullcentric BBC Look Hull, sorry, North, seems to have rather regular 'Pete, smashy and nicey Leavy' telling us how poorly the region is faring. Are you suggesting that Bridlington (pop 32,000) and Goole (17,600) make up the majority of the 8.8 percent of the Humber regions unemployed? I think we need to see some validation of that, as it seems at odds to the 314,000 people reported as resident in the East Riding. I get this 'I just made that up' feeling.
As it happens MAG looked at Finningley before buying HUY and decided it was 'not viable'.
So MAG decided that Doncaster was 'not viable' on one hand and that Humberside wasn't worth investing in. Looks like at least one of those decisions was wrong.
Why are you assuming that RE and HUY have held talks?
I'm now certain your own personal assessment was right a few pages back.
I've said or implied no such thing. Try reading what's written in front of you, not what you think is there...
TV, you're right you can expect a lot more orange around Yorkshire, including Humberside in the run-up to EZY's start up, local radio is already getting the orange makeover, heard some today, and Hull based VikingFM, 'nodarf mate' will probably get sponsored for the weather and traffic by easyJet advertising Doncaster services. Its the way Lo-Co's work.
Oh look, what an interesting sponsor ...
Travel News |
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