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The one business flight it has is poorly performing..
Shaheen, whilst being unreliable so far, have opted for LBA over DSA!!!
Don't forget, DSA is not even three years old, and has grown substantially in that time, now doing over 1m passengers a year. How many passengers did EMA/LBA have after that time?!
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you can't really compare passenger figures like that.
There has been a huge change with lowcost flights that were never offered when lba etc were 3 years old.
It looks like it will become more and more competative in the future and it will be interesting when jet2 have to renegotiate, same as when thomsonflys welcome deal finishes.
The airline bosses are ruthless and think nothing of pulling out at short notice, just look at teeside.
There has been a huge change with lowcost flights that were never offered when lba etc were 3 years old.
It looks like it will become more and more competative in the future and it will be interesting when jet2 have to renegotiate, same as when thomsonflys welcome deal finishes.
The airline bosses are ruthless and think nothing of pulling out at short notice, just look at teeside.
I assume the 'poor performing' route which people are making reference to is BHD?
Rightly so...West Yorkshire has a MUCH bigger asian population than South Yorkshire...Bradford!
Don't forget, DSA is not even three years old, and has grown substantially in that time, now doing over 1m passengers a year. How many passengers did EMA/LBA have after that time?!
Don't forget, DSA is not even three years old, and has grown substantially in that time, now doing over 1m passengers a year. How many passengers did EMA/LBA have after that time?!
I think people look at what has happened with LPL and expect the same at DSA, Peel got in LPL at the right time, it was Easyjet who did their homework... In the Doncaster Freepress Mr Ryall claims that they are hoping to make DSA a long-haul hub, either hes putting a positive spin on the previous 'pull out' story or hes being naive.
[QUOTET]The airport has asked Doncaster Council for five years of business rates relief, backdated until April 2005 citing "financial hardship"
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Apparantly to make them more competative...
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I don't think LBA can be compared with DSA.In the past LBA has always attracted a large percentage of business passengers. When LBA was at 1m pax I think about 80% were main line scheduled flights.A much higher percentage even than Luton.On the other side of the coin,LBA was always underserved by IT flights.A lot of airport growth in general was in scheduled flights and these tended to give slow increases in passenger numbers.
From memory,LBA was 11th in the league tables at the time and airports like Liverpool were nowhere to be seen.Now LBA I think is about 16th and below Liverpool at 12th despite the rapid growth by Jet2.
An airport can expand rapidly when a big IT programme is implemented or a loco opens a base.The business can also be lost just as quickly so in conclusion,a much more volatile market.
From memory,LBA was 11th in the league tables at the time and airports like Liverpool were nowhere to be seen.Now LBA I think is about 16th and below Liverpool at 12th despite the rapid growth by Jet2.
An airport can expand rapidly when a big IT programme is implemented or a loco opens a base.The business can also be lost just as quickly so in conclusion,a much more volatile market.
That is my point, LBA has a stable business base from which to grow. Not all eggs in the same basket. I believe because of the large catchment area and the expanding city of Leeds (its like a mini manhattan now) will be the only viable long-haul airport this side of the hills...
Though i was against DSA initialy, i dont want it to fail now it is opened, pointless... Just a bit sad to think that the region, bar LBA, could go into saturation because of it.
Though i was against DSA initialy, i dont want it to fail now it is opened, pointless... Just a bit sad to think that the region, bar LBA, could go into saturation because of it.
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The lo co phenomenon is around a decade old. The IT market lasted around 25 years as a reasonably mass entity so it depends on where the market goes next. The IT industry grew because it was less highly regulated than scheduled services. Once scheduled services were deregulated, they expanded rapidly. Now people can, at least on short to medium haul, fly more or less where they want for a reasonable price so it's hard to see how you can improve on that. Long haul liberalisation is just a variation on a theme and will have little effect on the existing lo co industry. The future is probably lower capacity point to point (which is the market that Boeing is hanging its hat on). Unless of course there is a war, mass terrorism or the treehuggers get their way......
I've often wondered what would have happened if Donny International had been built before Jet2 came on the scene, or if Church Fenton had been developed instead of Finningley.
I've often wondered what would have happened if Donny International had been built before Jet2 came on the scene, or if Church Fenton had been developed instead of Finningley.
Long haul liberalisation is just a variation on a theme and will have little effect on the existing lo co industry. The future is probably lower capacity point to point (which is the market that Boeing is hanging its hat on)
I've often wondered what would have happened if Donny International had been built before Jet2 came on the scene, or if Church Fenton had been developed instead of Finningley.
So for airports like BRS, having CO with its 757's, it will have little difference? Unless markets can be developed for the smaller airports to join the long-haul network, people will still have to travel to MAN, BHX or the London airports for these routes?
I think people forget that we live on a small, albeit hugely populated, island... When compared to big nations like the USA, most of us in the UK can be at a major airport within a couple of hours down the motorway or on the train, which puts the need for long-haul from most regions into perspective? Correct me if im wrong here..
I think people forget that we live on a small, albeit hugely populated, island... When compared to big nations like the USA, most of us in the UK can be at a major airport within a couple of hours down the motorway or on the train, which puts the need for long-haul from most regions into perspective? Correct me if im wrong here..
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Rightly so...West Yorkshire has a MUCH bigger asian population than South Yorkshire...Bradford!
Don't forget, DSA is not even three years old, and has grown substantially in that time, now doing over 1m passengers a year. How many passengers did EMA/LBA have after that time?!
Bradford's Bouncing Back
Don't get me started.....
Don't forget, DSA is not even three years old, and has grown substantially in that time, now doing over 1m passengers a year. How many passengers did EMA/LBA have after that time?!
Bradford's Bouncing Back
Don't get me started.....
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Pug your spot on,I,m a 76/75 driver working for an operator with a large order for the 787.I can,t see what all the fuss is about its just a plastic 767 thats going to use less fuel and with a bit more range.As I already find the 767,s endurance greatly excedes my own personal range I,m secretly hoping to retire on the 767 without the pain of a conversion on to what is basically a very similar aeroplane.The crew bunks planned on the 787 are not that palatial either so no need to get excited on that front. Another wise saying is never fly the mark one of any aircraft type.Airline pilots "the asbestos workers of this age"VBR Stampe
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Just interested why so many people think that their local airport is going to get long haul routes or somehow should have them?
There are, like it or not, only a few airports in this country that will ever have a good selection of the illustrious long haul ops.
Its not my city/region is better than yours but stark reality based amongst others the catchment area and the economic size of the region within which the airport resides and not forgeting the ability to get premium passengers on board.
I really think some people need a reality check and accept that Doncaster, for example, while no doubt a success is not going to become a long haul hub and is far more likely to offer a good selection of destinations that will make money with mostly lower cost carriers.
There are, like it or not, only a few airports in this country that will ever have a good selection of the illustrious long haul ops.
Its not my city/region is better than yours but stark reality based amongst others the catchment area and the economic size of the region within which the airport resides and not forgeting the ability to get premium passengers on board.
I really think some people need a reality check and accept that Doncaster, for example, while no doubt a success is not going to become a long haul hub and is far more likely to offer a good selection of destinations that will make money with mostly lower cost carriers.
I hear LS have been to look around HUY in the last month or so, wonder if theyve done the same at DSA? Could be looking to replace TOM's city destinations...
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Didn't hear the details in full, but at least 2 reports on the local radio today of DSA being in crisis, with one allegedly 'in the know' big-wig chap saying that it faces closure if business doesn't pick up soon!
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After watching Peel Holdings stick faithfully with the project from the very start, it would be such a shame to see things deteriorate so soon, but it has to be said that things have been a little slow at DSA.
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I know from what Peel said before DSA opened that they should be handling 5m pax per year heading towards 15m, but that sounds more like it could be the nearby Sheffield City Airport which Peel also own?
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Airport MD to stand down