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With 107 a/c and all the new orders, what is the news/truth about RYR's AOC being vaild for only 99a/c? This was stated a few weeks ago. Is it true?
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Podgorica
The Wikipedia map of Ryanair's destinations shows Podgorica, capital of Montenegro, as a destination. Does Wikipedia know something we don't?
(Their map isn't 100% up to date. It still shows Cardiff and it's missing a few destinations: Inverness, Verona, Trapani...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...stinations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair
(Their map isn't 100% up to date. It still shows Cardiff and it's missing a few destinations: Inverness, Verona, Trapani...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...stinations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair
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Girona - Turin
Ryanair's "Find Lowest Fares" booking engine seems to suggest that they could be introducing Girona to Turin... I couldn't find any flights though...
It could just be a glitch too. Like a good few months ago all Milan Bergamo flights were temporarily being diverted to Verona Brescia for operational reasons for a day or two, and since then the "Find Lowest Fares" section shows Verona Brescia as a destination from every airport that has Milan Bergamo as a destination.
It could just be a glitch too. Like a good few months ago all Milan Bergamo flights were temporarily being diverted to Verona Brescia for operational reasons for a day or two, and since then the "Find Lowest Fares" section shows Verona Brescia as a destination from every airport that has Milan Bergamo as a destination.
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MONTENEGRO
Originally Posted by Charlie Roy
The Wikipedia map of Ryanair's destinations shows Podgorica, capital of Montenegro, as a destination. Does Wikipedia know something we don't?
(Their map isn't 100% up to date. It still shows Cardiff and it's missing a few destinations: Inverness, Verona, Trapani...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...stinations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair
(Their map isn't 100% up to date. It still shows Cardiff and it's missing a few destinations: Inverness, Verona, Trapani...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...stinations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair
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Madrid - Granada
This news article from a couple of weeks ago says that Ryanair have applied for slots to fly between Madrid and Granada.
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...cle_4998.shtml
Iberia currently does this route and I heard Vueling are also planning to start up on this route.
Ryanair currently fly to Granada from 3 of their bases: Hahn, Stansted and Liverpool. Would Ryanair use an aircraft originating from one of these bases, or would they base an aircraft at Granada or Madrid?!
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news...cle_4998.shtml
Iberia currently does this route and I heard Vueling are also planning to start up on this route.
Ryanair currently fly to Granada from 3 of their bases: Hahn, Stansted and Liverpool. Would Ryanair use an aircraft originating from one of these bases, or would they base an aircraft at Granada or Madrid?!
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New routes from Granada
This news article suggests that Ryanair are considering the following routes from Granada:
-Dublin
-Glasgow Prestwick
-Milan Bergamo
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1384...estinos/volar/
"Eso sí, la línea Granada-Francfort de Ryanair se iniciará en octubre, mientras que sus vuelos a Dublín, Glasgow y Milán se han quedado en el aire."
-Dublin
-Glasgow Prestwick
-Milan Bergamo
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/1384...estinos/volar/
"Eso sí, la línea Granada-Francfort de Ryanair se iniciará en octubre, mientras que sus vuelos a Dublín, Glasgow y Milán se han quedado en el aire."
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Madrid - Canary Islands
My Spanish isn't great but I have been looking through some Spanish news articles and they make for some interesting reading.
Looks like Ryanair and Easyjet plan to break into the Spanish domestic market, which is currently dominated by Iberia / Air Nostrum, Vueling and Spanair.
This article says that Ryanair have applied for a plethora of slots between Madrid and the Canary Islands
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?Id=30197
"Ryanair ha pedido una barbaridad de slots para unir Madrid con Canarias."
The next article says the Ryanair is considering offering a number of domestic flights from Madrid from October!
http://www.capitalrevista.es/capital...idapr=1__esp_1__
"La compañía aérea de bajo coste Ryanair se ha hecho con los derechos (slots) para poner en marcha vuelos nacionales desde el aeropuerto de Madrid-Barajas a partir de octubre."
And here are some more articles on the Ryanair's possible introduction of Madrid to Granada:
http://www.diariogranadahoy.com/diar...685&idcat=2911
http://actualidad.terra.es/provincia...rid_943122.htm
As for Easyjet they may be intorducing Madrid to Lanzarote, and Madrid to Asturias.
It would be excellent to see Ryanair at Madrid
And also if they were to start operations from Madrid to the Canary Islands, we mightn't have to wait long before they start connecting to the islands from their other bases!
(Although Stockholm Skavsta or Prestwick may be too far from the Canary Islands? Ryanair are less interested in lengthy flights...)
Looks like Ryanair and Easyjet plan to break into the Spanish domestic market, which is currently dominated by Iberia / Air Nostrum, Vueling and Spanair.
This article says that Ryanair have applied for a plethora of slots between Madrid and the Canary Islands
http://www.canarias7.es/articulo.cfm?Id=30197
"Ryanair ha pedido una barbaridad de slots para unir Madrid con Canarias."
The next article says the Ryanair is considering offering a number of domestic flights from Madrid from October!
http://www.capitalrevista.es/capital...idapr=1__esp_1__
"La compañía aérea de bajo coste Ryanair se ha hecho con los derechos (slots) para poner en marcha vuelos nacionales desde el aeropuerto de Madrid-Barajas a partir de octubre."
And here are some more articles on the Ryanair's possible introduction of Madrid to Granada:
http://www.diariogranadahoy.com/diar...685&idcat=2911
http://actualidad.terra.es/provincia...rid_943122.htm
As for Easyjet they may be intorducing Madrid to Lanzarote, and Madrid to Asturias.
It would be excellent to see Ryanair at Madrid
And also if they were to start operations from Madrid to the Canary Islands, we mightn't have to wait long before they start connecting to the islands from their other bases!
(Although Stockholm Skavsta or Prestwick may be too far from the Canary Islands? Ryanair are less interested in lengthy flights...)
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Happy 21st birthday to Ryanair
I am told (if you measure the start up date of airline by its first scheduled flight) that today, 8th July, is Ryanair's 21st Birthday.
They operated their very first scheduled passenger flight on 8th July 1985, the aircraft, a Embraer Bandeirante (EI-BPI) flew from Waterford, Ireland to London Gatwick.
This date also marks 21 years of international scheduled passenger services for Waterford Airport.
Happy Birthday to them both !!
They operated their very first scheduled passenger flight on 8th July 1985, the aircraft, a Embraer Bandeirante (EI-BPI) flew from Waterford, Ireland to London Gatwick.
This date also marks 21 years of international scheduled passenger services for Waterford Airport.
Happy Birthday to them both !!
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Ryanair 'Tax' inquiry
Report in today's Daily Telegraph Business section: "Ryanair may face EU 'tax' inquiry"
link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...0/cnryan10.xml
link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...0/cnryan10.xml
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When I use to work out of BLK a few years ago it was well known that FR didn't pay any landing or handling charges but it was still charged to the pax when they bought a ticket, must admit though all the airlines do it, you see a wonderful ticket price online and when you go to buy it it can cost as much if not more as the quoted price with all the add on's.
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If Ryanair are guilty, then so are lots of airlines. Easyjet, BA, bmi, FlyBe, Transavia, Wizz Air, SkyEurope, Air Berlin, flyGlobespan are but a few I have been tempted by shockingly low fares only to discover that my "£1" fare actually balloons to £40 or £50.
But still, I think in Europe we are a bit spoiled. When throughout the history of air travel could you fly from the UK to Poland for £40 return? Who honestly expects to only pay £1 for an air ticket anyway?! Does it really matter exactly how the money you pay is divided? Enjoy the low fare era while it lasts, instead of hunting for reasons to end it.
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But still, I think in Europe we are a bit spoiled. When throughout the history of air travel could you fly from the UK to Poland for £40 return? Who honestly expects to only pay £1 for an air ticket anyway?! Does it really matter exactly how the money you pay is divided? Enjoy the low fare era while it lasts, instead of hunting for reasons to end it.
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Originally Posted by XSBaggage
If Ryanair are guilty, then so are lots of airlines. Easyjet, BA, bmi, FlyBe, Transavia, Wizz Air, SkyEurope, Air Berlin, flyGlobespan are but a few I have been tempted by shockingly low fares only to discover that my "£1" fare actually balloons to £40 or £50.
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You are right, this is a wide spread problem. There is no transparancy. ej from AMS charge 20euros in charges, yet KLM charge 100euros, and HV about 57euros. How can this be. The difference in taxes & charges between ej & HV, on what used to be the same route, was staggering; but guess what, the final ticket price was pretty close. The airline has to pay the fixed airport charges. It is declared as such or smuggled into the advertised price, and lower charges added.
I thought that EU law was coming in whereby advertisers had to publish the final price, incl VAT and all charges. What has happened to that?
The wheel chair levy is a scam. 189 pax paying 0.50 every flight, every day. The max number of wheel chair pax is 4. Many have their own in the hold and need no assistance. The cost of providing a wheel chair is shared between the airline and the airport (after the last pax appeal in STN). and was about 15 pounds. How many are provided per day/month/year? You do the math, and you will see that airlines are making a vast profit from this charge. That, and the compulsory insurance they charge. What for, if you have your own, or do not want it?
I thought that EU law was coming in whereby advertisers had to publish the final price, incl VAT and all charges. What has happened to that?
The wheel chair levy is a scam. 189 pax paying 0.50 every flight, every day. The max number of wheel chair pax is 4. Many have their own in the hold and need no assistance. The cost of providing a wheel chair is shared between the airline and the airport (after the last pax appeal in STN). and was about 15 pounds. How many are provided per day/month/year? You do the math, and you will see that airlines are making a vast profit from this charge. That, and the compulsory insurance they charge. What for, if you have your own, or do not want it?
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It's not a question of tax and charges being added to the "headline" fare price, it's a question of blatantly lying about the fee being charged.
Yes, all airlines add fees and the ticket price balloons, but the accusation here that Ryanair are falsely inflating fees to subsidise the low ticket "price" is a lot more serious.
I very much doubt all airlines do this. Will be interesting to hear the outcome.
Yes, all airlines add fees and the ticket price balloons, but the accusation here that Ryanair are falsely inflating fees to subsidise the low ticket "price" is a lot more serious.
I very much doubt all airlines do this. Will be interesting to hear the outcome.
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This is no surprise and many of them will be doing this, as the time and effort to find out the airport and govt charge at each point is way too much time and trouble. Given that FR fares are still so low, few will argue.
However, it is not just FR ... I was weighing up using Air Miles™ on a simple LON~AMS. As you may know, the UK company Air Miles™ are agents for (mostly) BA, so I also checked the price of buying the same flight direct from BA. I found that the various taxes and charges did not align.
To get the breakdown from AM, I had to make a special email request as the web site just lists the total without explanation. A week later I got the info and the costs varied in almost all areas and were higher for the AM ticket, which would of course have been the exact same rotations. This confirmed my suspicions but, by that time, I had already booked on EZY. Not to say that they would have been any better.
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As I understand it - they all print the costs and a paragraph of explanation but DO NOT give a detailed breakdown of the components of that total. Hence they meet the current regulation of ensuring that the purchaser knows the full cost. As always, the free market is ahead of regulations.
However, it is not just FR ... I was weighing up using Air Miles™ on a simple LON~AMS. As you may know, the UK company Air Miles™ are agents for (mostly) BA, so I also checked the price of buying the same flight direct from BA. I found that the various taxes and charges did not align.
To get the breakdown from AM, I had to make a special email request as the web site just lists the total without explanation. A week later I got the info and the costs varied in almost all areas and were higher for the AM ticket, which would of course have been the exact same rotations. This confirmed my suspicions but, by that time, I had already booked on EZY. Not to say that they would have been any better.
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I thought that EU law was coming in whereby advertisers had to publish the final price, incl VAT and all charges. What has happened to that?
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
But if those other airlines actually pass on the taxes correctly (note, I said IF) then they are not guilty.
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I can understand the disquiet at being economical with the truth over charges. KLM charge an almost flat 99euros on EU destinations. This includes some nebullous details as 'Administration costs'. What are they when the whole thing is done by computer. Then there are reservation costs. How the h@#l do you making a booking in advance without a reservation; again wholly by computer. Then there are the credit card charges. It is the only way to book over the internet. The airport taxes are bundled in with the admin costs, so the whole matter is very opaque! They hasve you by the short & curlies because there is no alternative if you want to travel. Do it all in an agent's shop and it more expensive. Thus, the total price for most EU destinations comes to double the cheapest ticket cost. The whole matter is a con, but I suspect the eurocrats will find out that the bag of worms they are playing with is far too big and difficult to sort out, and let it slide under the stones.
Where is a consumer commissionaire when you want one?
Where is a consumer commissionaire when you want one?
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