Ryanair vs Easyjet
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Afternoon,
Here is my question, With Ryanair and easyjet with total orders of around 300 new aircraft over the next X amount of years do you think that there will eventually be no route or airline in europe that wont be affected. These airlines are opening routes all over Europe and new bases are being talked about everyday.
If you wanted to start an Airline in europe is it even possible, Not that I would wish that on anyone. If either of the above mentioned were expensive then you could try and undercut them-not the case. If either were flying clapped out old aircraft then maybe you could beat them with a nice new shiny one- also not the case.
So will there be a case in the future that there will be two low costs fighting it out for every viable european-european route just trying to keep all those shiny new aircraft flying. Can anyone put a stop to these airlines dominating the market! Anybody who tries will just be undercut as these airlines are that big that they will take a loss on a route(absurdly low prices) just to get you off it!
Just interested in other peoples opinions with regard to this as I think this kind of domination would not be healthy.
Just to add a side note to this-If it did come down to the two of them for complete domination of the market who would win or would they just steer clear of each other.
Here is my question, With Ryanair and easyjet with total orders of around 300 new aircraft over the next X amount of years do you think that there will eventually be no route or airline in europe that wont be affected. These airlines are opening routes all over Europe and new bases are being talked about everyday.
If you wanted to start an Airline in europe is it even possible, Not that I would wish that on anyone. If either of the above mentioned were expensive then you could try and undercut them-not the case. If either were flying clapped out old aircraft then maybe you could beat them with a nice new shiny one- also not the case.
So will there be a case in the future that there will be two low costs fighting it out for every viable european-european route just trying to keep all those shiny new aircraft flying. Can anyone put a stop to these airlines dominating the market! Anybody who tries will just be undercut as these airlines are that big that they will take a loss on a route(absurdly low prices) just to get you off it!
Just interested in other peoples opinions with regard to this as I think this kind of domination would not be healthy.
Just to add a side note to this-If it did come down to the two of them for complete domination of the market who would win or would they just steer clear of each other.
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Unless they change their policies, there will always be a market airlines that fly to airports where the runway can't handle and A319/B737-800.
They also don't provide for passengers who want to interline onto inter-continental flights. Although, interlining has become less important as more direct destinations have opened up, I don't think I'd be sticking my neck out if I said that I doubt routes like Newcastle-Maputo or Aberdeen-Buenos Aires will never be provided as a direct flight.
They also don't provide for passengers who want to interline onto inter-continental flights. Although, interlining has become less important as more direct destinations have opened up, I don't think I'd be sticking my neck out if I said that I doubt routes like Newcastle-Maputo or Aberdeen-Buenos Aires will never be provided as a direct flight.
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Ýf you can match their respective low operating costs you can probably compete, domination of the European market as a whole is still someway off I would say, but they are working on it! And, I reckon there is room for both of them for many years to come.
Ýf you can match their respective low operating costs you can probably compete, domination of the European market as a whole is still someway off I would say, but they are working on it! And, I reckon there is room for both of them for many years to come.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the point about some runways not being suitable. Case scenario- Galway Ire.
Heres the but though. Ryanair have already said if runway is extended then they will operate there and bring x-miliion passengers a year.
Not likely by galway airport financially, so I believe they have offered to fund the extension. This I must add is only a rumour and I having nothing concrete to back the most recent statement up.
Is galway that important that ryanair need to invest so much into it, or is it just a dominating of the market kind of thing. I am not for one second suggesting that galway is not important but maybe for the likes of operators like Aer Arann, my opinion leave them to it- bigger fish to fry etc etc.....
Kids for free- good idea but what happens when the school of our lady in ballymuckerish wants to go on school tour to rome with four fare paying teachers. interesting concept though. Would work with a few more rules perhaps.
Heres the but though. Ryanair have already said if runway is extended then they will operate there and bring x-miliion passengers a year.
Not likely by galway airport financially, so I believe they have offered to fund the extension. This I must add is only a rumour and I having nothing concrete to back the most recent statement up.
Is galway that important that ryanair need to invest so much into it, or is it just a dominating of the market kind of thing. I am not for one second suggesting that galway is not important but maybe for the likes of operators like Aer Arann, my opinion leave them to it- bigger fish to fry etc etc.....
Kids for free- good idea but what happens when the school of our lady in ballymuckerish wants to go on school tour to rome with four fare paying teachers. interesting concept though. Would work with a few more rules perhaps.
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How Big is your War Chest???
Surely it will depend on how big the War Chest is and how much an airline can grit it's teeth with the fare price being constantly driven down.
I've heard Ryanair have a billion pound war chest;so i guess if they offered free seats on selective routes,this could knock out the competition....
Costs are obviously being constantly driven down to achieve low fares and the focus will be on innovation and the "Ancillary Revenues",ie on board sales/internet deals with hotels,hire car firm etc.
Although perhaps a squeeze on the economy will stop the public taking advantage of cheap fares,but then again perhaps our travelling habits have changed forever preferring short,frequent vacations rather than the twice a year 2 week holidays!!
Or maybe the Kyoto agreement will stop all low cost operators in thier tracks.............
I've heard Ryanair have a billion pound war chest;so i guess if they offered free seats on selective routes,this could knock out the competition....
Costs are obviously being constantly driven down to achieve low fares and the focus will be on innovation and the "Ancillary Revenues",ie on board sales/internet deals with hotels,hire car firm etc.
Although perhaps a squeeze on the economy will stop the public taking advantage of cheap fares,but then again perhaps our travelling habits have changed forever preferring short,frequent vacations rather than the twice a year 2 week holidays!!
Or maybe the Kyoto agreement will stop all low cost operators in thier tracks.............
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I think there are only so many routes that can justify the size of aircraft used, especially by Ryanair the 800 with 189 seats. In the days of low 'ish' oil prices and the deal Ryanair done with Boeing this meant you could give away some of those seats. However with soaring oil prices this cannot continue!
I know Ryanair is finding routes now which had no problems on the 200/300 but cannot sustain the 800!
Surely as more and more aircraft get delivered and Europe gets more and more saturated with low cost routes the size of the aircraft will be important. I think Jet Blue have done the right thing and moved down a size. Far better to start a route with the smaller aircraft, then if the passengers appear move up to the larger aircraft.
Plus you will never have low cost going to airports who will not ‘do the deal’!
I know Ryanair is finding routes now which had no problems on the 200/300 but cannot sustain the 800!
Surely as more and more aircraft get delivered and Europe gets more and more saturated with low cost routes the size of the aircraft will be important. I think Jet Blue have done the right thing and moved down a size. Far better to start a route with the smaller aircraft, then if the passengers appear move up to the larger aircraft.
Plus you will never have low cost going to airports who will not ‘do the deal’!
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"I think there are only so many routes that can justify the size of aircraft used, especially by Ryanair the 800 with 189 seats. In the days of low 'ish' oil prices and the deal Ryanair done with Boeing this meant you could give away some of those seats. However with soaring oil prices this cannot continue! "
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140 or so nautical miles. Ryanair 737-800 3 times a day at the moment. Rumuors are of 5 a day soon. If like the original thought of using the aircraft as a viable way of repositioning aircraft. where does the increase to 5 come from. I dont believe with their prices they are making money on the route. Trying to take the first airline out of cork- maybe. aircraft already positioned to IOM due to decrease in Dub flights-RE. Frees up one overnight stand!
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140 or so nautical miles. Ryanair 737-800 3 times a day at the moment. Rumuors are of 5 a day soon. If like the original thought of using the aircraft as a viable way of repositioning aircraft. where does the increase to 5 come from. I dont believe with their prices they are making money on the route. Trying to take the first airline out of cork- maybe. aircraft already positioned to IOM due to decrease in Dub flights-RE. Frees up one overnight stand!
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"so I believe they have offered to fund the extension."
Ryanair offering to pay for airport improvements! Never! Goes completely against MOL's philosphy of screwing everybody for every penny!
Ryanair offering to pay for airport improvements! Never! Goes completely against MOL's philosphy of screwing everybody for every penny!
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OG, absolutely right, FR will say to airport "you extend the runway at your (or tax payer's) cost and we will operate x flights a day bring you y 000 ppassengers" it's great everyone else pays and FR benefits!!
