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Nearly died of shock last night passing through T5 (from Madrid to Aberdeen) to see no queue at Immigration and none at transfer security, despite it being 1800hrs. In all it took me from arrival gate to the BA South Lounge - 10 minutes (including walking).
This is a trip I do every 2 weeks and its the first time I have never had to wait somewhere in T5
This is a trip I do every 2 weeks and its the first time I have never had to wait somewhere in T5
Anyone aware of any problems today on 27L as I saw I believe 3 go arounds in a row? Might have been late afternoon? I just thought what are the chances of 3 in a row?
If you wait a day or so, WebTrak should be able to tell you what happened, though not why.
Three GAs in a row is pretty unusual, but not unknown, last time I recall noticing that was mid-December last.
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Multiple missed approaches are pretty common, as things go. Maybe once a month...
Usual causes are FOD on the runway, or a landing aircraft fails to vacate due to hydraulic problems.
Usual causes are FOD on the runway, or a landing aircraft fails to vacate due to hydraulic problems.
The only noticeable interruption in 27L landings yesterday, between the 3pm swap and a change to easterlies at 9pm, was for 10 minutes from around 15:20.
If you wait a day or so, WebTrak should be able to tell you what happened, though not why.
Three GAs in a row is pretty unusual, but not unknown, last time I recall noticing that was mid-December last.
If you wait a day or so, WebTrak should be able to tell you what happened, though not why.
Three GAs in a row is pretty unusual, but not unknown, last time I recall noticing that was mid-December last.
BAW639 (A320 G-EUUT) landed on 27L at 1516 local, and presumably failed to vacate the runway for some reason. The next two inbounds, BAW268 and JAL401, went around from short finals, followed by BAW395B and DLH910 which both broke off their approaches at about 4 DME. BAW891, which was next, was swapped to 27R.
All 4 GAs subsequently landed on the re-opened 27L, starting with BAW395B at 1528.
Doesn't look like a brake/hydraulics issue on this occasion as the A320 in question went back out on the 1645 departure to Barcelona.
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The only noticeable interruption in 27L landings yesterday, between the 3pm swap and a change to easterlies at 9pm, was for 10 minutes from around 15:20.
If you wait a day or so, WebTrak should be able to tell you what happened, though not why.
Three GAs in a row is pretty unusual, but not unknown, last time I recall noticing that was mid-December last.
Looks like there were in fact 4 consecutive missed approaches on Wednesday afternoon.
BAW639 (A320 G-EUUT) landed on 27L at 1516 local, and presumably failed to vacate the runway for some reason. The next two inbounds, BAW268 and JAL401, went around from short finals, followed by BAW395B and DLH910 which both broke off their approaches at about 4 DME. BAW891, which was next, was swapped to 27R.
All 4 GAs subsequently landed on the re-opened 27L, starting with BAW395B at 1528.
The only noticeable interruption in 27L landings yesterday, between the 3pm swap and a change to easterlies at 9pm, was for 10 minutes from around 15:20.
If you wait a day or so, WebTrak should be able to tell you what happened, though not why.
Three GAs in a row is pretty unusual, but not unknown, last time I recall noticing that was mid-December last.
Looks like there were in fact 4 consecutive missed approaches on Wednesday afternoon.
BAW639 (A320 G-EUUT) landed on 27L at 1516 local, and presumably failed to vacate the runway for some reason. The next two inbounds, BAW268 and JAL401, went around from short finals, followed by BAW395B and DLH910 which both broke off their approaches at about 4 DME. BAW891, which was next, was swapped to 27R.
All 4 GAs subsequently landed on the re-opened 27L, starting with BAW395B at 1528.
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Heathrow unveils massive Union Jack on runway to celebrate the Jubilee
Story with Picture and time lapse video here......
Heathrow unveils massive Union Jack on runway to celebrate the Jubilee
Heathrow unveils massive Union Jack on runway to celebrate the Jubilee
".....a 540 square metre Union Jack image on the runway ....."
That doesn't look like it is "on the runway" at all, does it ? In fact in that position you wonder who it will be visible to at all, apart maybe to starboard side pax during a late go-around.
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In fact in that position you wonder who it will be visible to at all, apart maybe to starboard side pax during a late go-around.
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Heathrow Airport plan: ‘Forget a third runway, turn it into a garden city’
I was shocked when read this article.
Published date:29/05/12
Source:Tory MPs: Build third Heathrow runway for jobs and trade - Politics - News - Evening Standard
Heathrow’s runways and terminals should be bulldozed to make way for a “garden city”, says a new report to be published tomorrow.
Former government adviser Graeme Bell said it was time to “reinvent” the site that is increasingly ill-suited to the needs of a modern hub airport.
Airline bosses prefer a third runway at Heathrow to solve London’s capacity crisis rather than a disruptive shift.
But Mr Bell is in favour of a new airport elsewhere, possibly the Thames Estuary. Many experts believe that would only be viable if Heathrow, which supports 250,000 jobs, was closed down.
Mr Bell said the five square mile airport site would be the perfect location for a new sustainable community of more than 30,000 residents in the traditions of Hampstead Garden Suburb and Welwyn Garden City.
The senior planning chief said the demolition of Heathrow, which started life as Harmondsworth Aerodrome in 1930, could provide “the biggest redevelopment site in Europe”.
His 16-page paper Heathrow Garden City by the Town and Country Planning Association, foresees four low-density garden suburbs with “allotments, community gardens and orchards” of about 5,000 people each and two urban villages of about 10,000 in total. As well as homes, it would have shops and offices that would make it a “west London counterpoint to Canary Wharf” and an educational campus based at the Terminal 5 building, the only structure that would definitely be kept.
There would also be 1,000 acres of parkland — roughly the same as Regent’s Park, Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens put together — and 86 acres of open water, more than three times the size of the Serpentine. The garden city would be served by the four existing railway stations and a new Crossrail station.
Mr Bell, currently director of planning for Devon county council, said he was inspired to draw up his vision when he drove to pick up a friend from Heathrow.
He said: “Rather than park in a BAA car park, which costs an arm and a leg, I decided to park in one of the streets off the A4 close to the end of one of the runways. I was aware of the colossal noise when planes were taking off and the awful smell. It really can’t be doing you any good to live with that noise and smell. I thought, ‘This is a really bad use of a piece of land inside the M25.’ Airports ought to be accessible but outside the city limits.”
Mr Bell said he had not costed Heathrow Garden City but said the huge development value of the site would make it financially viable.
Former government adviser Graeme Bell said it was time to “reinvent” the site that is increasingly ill-suited to the needs of a modern hub airport.
Airline bosses prefer a third runway at Heathrow to solve London’s capacity crisis rather than a disruptive shift.
But Mr Bell is in favour of a new airport elsewhere, possibly the Thames Estuary. Many experts believe that would only be viable if Heathrow, which supports 250,000 jobs, was closed down.
Mr Bell said the five square mile airport site would be the perfect location for a new sustainable community of more than 30,000 residents in the traditions of Hampstead Garden Suburb and Welwyn Garden City.
The senior planning chief said the demolition of Heathrow, which started life as Harmondsworth Aerodrome in 1930, could provide “the biggest redevelopment site in Europe”.
His 16-page paper Heathrow Garden City by the Town and Country Planning Association, foresees four low-density garden suburbs with “allotments, community gardens and orchards” of about 5,000 people each and two urban villages of about 10,000 in total. As well as homes, it would have shops and offices that would make it a “west London counterpoint to Canary Wharf” and an educational campus based at the Terminal 5 building, the only structure that would definitely be kept.
There would also be 1,000 acres of parkland — roughly the same as Regent’s Park, Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens put together — and 86 acres of open water, more than three times the size of the Serpentine. The garden city would be served by the four existing railway stations and a new Crossrail station.
Mr Bell, currently director of planning for Devon county council, said he was inspired to draw up his vision when he drove to pick up a friend from Heathrow.
He said: “Rather than park in a BAA car park, which costs an arm and a leg, I decided to park in one of the streets off the A4 close to the end of one of the runways. I was aware of the colossal noise when planes were taking off and the awful smell. It really can’t be doing you any good to live with that noise and smell. I thought, ‘This is a really bad use of a piece of land inside the M25.’ Airports ought to be accessible but outside the city limits.”
Mr Bell said he had not costed Heathrow Garden City but said the huge development value of the site would make it financially viable.
Published date:29/05/12
Source:Tory MPs: Build third Heathrow runway for jobs and trade - Politics - News - Evening Standard
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Mr Bell, currently director of planning for Devon county council, said he was inspired to draw up his vision when he drove to pick up a friend from Heathrow.
What is really frightening is that someone who is a director of planning can even begin to think of such crazy ideas!
I was aware of the colossal noise when planes were taking off and the awful smell. It really can’t be doing you any good to live with that noise and smell.
Barking mad.............
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Former government adviser Graeme Bell ..........
Note 'former'. Perhaps he should have stuck to inventing telephones. No, sorry, I forgot, that requires a brain, something this person clearly does not possess.
Note 'former'. Perhaps he should have stuck to inventing telephones. No, sorry, I forgot, that requires a brain, something this person clearly does not possess.
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Heathrow Airport plan: ‘Forget a third runway, turn it into a garden city’
They must wake up
sounds insane
Date published:29/05/12
Source: Government adviser suggests radical Heathrow Airport plan:
sounds insane
Heathrow’s runways and terminals should be bulldozed to make way for a “garden city”, says a new report to be published tomorrow.
Former government adviser Graeme Bell said it was time to “reinvent” the site that is increasingly ill-suited to the needs of a modern hub airport.
Airline bosses prefer a third runway at Heathrow to solve London’s capacity crisis rather than a disruptive shift.
But Mr Bell is in favour of a new airport elsewhere, possibly the Thames Estuary. Many experts believe that would only be viable if Heathrow, which supports 250,000 jobs, was closed down.
Mr Bell said the five square mile airport site would be the perfect location for a new sustainable community of more than 30,000 residents in the traditions of Hampstead Garden Suburb and Welwyn Garden City.
The senior planning chief said the demolition of Heathrow, which started life as Harmondsworth Aerodrome in 1930, could provide “the biggest redevelopment site in Europe”.
His 16-page paper Heathrow Garden City by the Town and Country Planning Association, foresees four low-density garden suburbs with “allotments, community gardens and orchards” of about 5,000 people each and two urban villages of about 10,000 in total. As well as homes, it would have shops and offices that would make it a “west London counterpoint to Canary Wharf” and an educational campus based at the Terminal 5 building, the only structure that would definitely be kept.
There would also be 1,000 acres of parkland — roughly the same as Regent’s Park, Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens put together — and 86 acres of open water, more than three times the size of the Serpentine. The garden city would be served by the four existing railway stations and a new Crossrail station.
Mr Bell, currently director of planning for Devon county council, said he was inspired to draw up his vision when he drove to pick up a friend from Heathrow.
He said: “Rather than park in a BAA car park, which costs an arm and a leg, I decided to park in one of the streets off the A4 close to the end of one of the runways. I was aware of the colossal noise when planes were taking off and the awful smell. It really can’t be doing you any good to live with that noise and smell. I thought, ‘This is a really bad use of a piece of land inside the M25.’ Airports ought to be accessible but outside the city limits.”
Mr Bell said he had not costed Heathrow Garden City but said the huge development value of the site would make it financially viable.
Former government adviser Graeme Bell said it was time to “reinvent” the site that is increasingly ill-suited to the needs of a modern hub airport.
Airline bosses prefer a third runway at Heathrow to solve London’s capacity crisis rather than a disruptive shift.
But Mr Bell is in favour of a new airport elsewhere, possibly the Thames Estuary. Many experts believe that would only be viable if Heathrow, which supports 250,000 jobs, was closed down.
Mr Bell said the five square mile airport site would be the perfect location for a new sustainable community of more than 30,000 residents in the traditions of Hampstead Garden Suburb and Welwyn Garden City.
The senior planning chief said the demolition of Heathrow, which started life as Harmondsworth Aerodrome in 1930, could provide “the biggest redevelopment site in Europe”.
His 16-page paper Heathrow Garden City by the Town and Country Planning Association, foresees four low-density garden suburbs with “allotments, community gardens and orchards” of about 5,000 people each and two urban villages of about 10,000 in total. As well as homes, it would have shops and offices that would make it a “west London counterpoint to Canary Wharf” and an educational campus based at the Terminal 5 building, the only structure that would definitely be kept.
There would also be 1,000 acres of parkland — roughly the same as Regent’s Park, Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens put together — and 86 acres of open water, more than three times the size of the Serpentine. The garden city would be served by the four existing railway stations and a new Crossrail station.
Mr Bell, currently director of planning for Devon county council, said he was inspired to draw up his vision when he drove to pick up a friend from Heathrow.
He said: “Rather than park in a BAA car park, which costs an arm and a leg, I decided to park in one of the streets off the A4 close to the end of one of the runways. I was aware of the colossal noise when planes were taking off and the awful smell. It really can’t be doing you any good to live with that noise and smell. I thought, ‘This is a really bad use of a piece of land inside the M25.’ Airports ought to be accessible but outside the city limits.”
Mr Bell said he had not costed Heathrow Garden City but said the huge development value of the site would make it financially viable.
Date published:29/05/12
Source: Government adviser suggests radical Heathrow Airport plan:
Has this guy given any thought to the 100,000s of people who's lives would be turned upside down by such an inane suggestion?
I am thinking of all those employed in and associated with the air transport business at Heathrow, not to mention the disruption caused by building works on such an extensive scale over several years.
I would suggest the addition of a 3rd runway at LHR would probably cause far less disruption and probably keep many more gainfully employed that this gentleman's wild plans.
I am thinking of all those employed in and associated with the air transport business at Heathrow, not to mention the disruption caused by building works on such an extensive scale over several years.
I would suggest the addition of a 3rd runway at LHR would probably cause far less disruption and probably keep many more gainfully employed that this gentleman's wild plans.
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Mr Bell has come up with a very interesting concept - in another place, it may even have merit. But there won't be any political will to allow it to happen. Plus countless legal challenges which will bog it down. And, no doubt as with most proposals to construct anything in the UK, the cost will quadruple - at least. Then it will gather dust in some council vault somewhere. The End.