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Also released today was the decision to allow the appeal by HAL for the introduction of the current northern runway 09L to be used for departures.
This will allow respite for non London residents when aircraft are on easterly arrivals.
It will however, introduce more noise etc during departures to the London area that did not suffer departures on this runway (since circa 1955). In turn this will remind residents in the vicinity of the noise impact expected from the proposed R3.
This will allow respite for non London residents when aircraft are on easterly arrivals.
It will however, introduce more noise etc during departures to the London area that did not suffer departures on this runway (since circa 1955). In turn this will remind residents in the vicinity of the noise impact expected from the proposed R3.
Also released today was the decision to allow the appeal by HAL for the introduction of the current northern runway 09L to be used for departures.
This will allow respite for non London residents when aircraft are on easterly arrivals.
It will however, introduce more noise etc during departures to the London area that did not suffer departures on this runway (since circa 1955). In turn this will remind residents in the vicinity of the noise impact expected from the proposed R3.
This will allow respite for non London residents when aircraft are on easterly arrivals.
It will however, introduce more noise etc during departures to the London area that did not suffer departures on this runway (since circa 1955). In turn this will remind residents in the vicinity of the noise impact expected from the proposed R3.
It will be interesting to see whether LB Hillingdon challenge the latest decision in the High Court, as they are entitled to do.
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Because BA at LHR would have to fund a percentage of the finance package to expand LHR and likewise resident airlines at LGW. Why would a company wish to finance a future expansion that will introduce more competition and presumably have little or no control over!
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Can't we just move on and build it now?
LHR will be part of a new and world class transport system that combines HS2, Crossrail, LHR and an upgraded motorway network. The passengers will benefit from multiple methods of travel into and out of the capital as well as having a modern hub enabling many new destinations to be flown to direct.
It's is time people stopped complaining about this long overdue modernisation of our infrastructure and got behind it. We will create a legacy for generations to come and this improvement of our transport network will extend to the whole of the UK.
Gatwick is of no use to anyone north of London. and is not part of any wider schemes. If they have their own case for a new runway then let them build it but it should not be allowed to impact Heathrow expansion. Neither should a few local nimbies who bought houses next to a major airport.
LHR will be part of a new and world class transport system that combines HS2, Crossrail, LHR and an upgraded motorway network. The passengers will benefit from multiple methods of travel into and out of the capital as well as having a modern hub enabling many new destinations to be flown to direct.
It's is time people stopped complaining about this long overdue modernisation of our infrastructure and got behind it. We will create a legacy for generations to come and this improvement of our transport network will extend to the whole of the UK.
Gatwick is of no use to anyone north of London. and is not part of any wider schemes. If they have their own case for a new runway then let them build it but it should not be allowed to impact Heathrow expansion. Neither should a few local nimbies who bought houses next to a major airport.
How has Grayling got away with piggybacking Crossrail onto LHR surface EXPANSION when it was designed specifically for Londoners on local routes?
The one thing still not bottomed out, I understand because of negotiating brinksmanship between Transport for London and HAL, is the future of the grossly overpriced (and thus underused) Heathrow Express, when Crossrail comes along potentially at a fraction of the cost and running right across London instead of just to an obscure corner of W2.
[Gatwick] Norwegian claimed they would base 50 787s there !
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Whether the M25 tunnel plan represents an "upgrade" is a moot point. We're told it will gain a lane in each direction, but I wouldn't be surprised if that gets trimmed back once the infrastructure costs start to be firmed up.
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I was referring to the ongoing widening of the M1, M25 and proposed M4.
My point is all the expensive infrastructure work that has and will happen links together to provide easier access to LHR for a large part of the UK. Whether that is the north and Midlands via HS2/CRL or M1/M25. further north via short haul flights using the new runway. East and the London area via Crossrail or west via Crossrail and a (long proposed) M4 upgrade.
I do not see Gatwick blending in with these schemes as easily and have never seen the argument for either one or the other.
My point is all the expensive infrastructure work that has and will happen links together to provide easier access to LHR for a large part of the UK. Whether that is the north and Midlands via HS2/CRL or M1/M25. further north via short haul flights using the new runway. East and the London area via Crossrail or west via Crossrail and a (long proposed) M4 upgrade.
I do not see Gatwick blending in with these schemes as easily and have never seen the argument for either one or the other.
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No. The prohibitive cost means that challenges against this crazy proposal must continue.
Yesterday's consultation document contained a revised "3R MasterPlan" drawing which, given its publication date, it would be reasonable to assume represents the most recent thinking about the R3 layout.
It's not a very hi-res image, but it's possible to discern the following differences between that and previous versions:
a) T6A is moved further north to be more or less opposite T5A
b) T6B and T6C satellites are merged into a single, long satellite and moved further east. That, in turn, reduces the length of the M25 tunnel, which now only goes under two E-W taxiways and R3, whereas previously it also went under two N-S taxiways as well
c) Two new parallel N-S taxiways to the west of T6A
d) Removal of the proposed A4 tunnel, the roundabout at Poyle and the link road to M25 J14
e) Appropriation of the area between R3 and the former A4, i.e. everything westward from the end of Blunts Avenue
f) A new road from the A3044 Holloway Lane/Harmondsworth Road junction, running along the northern edge of R3 to join the old A4 roughly halfway along the Colnbrook bypass.
It's not a very hi-res image, but it's possible to discern the following differences between that and previous versions:
a) T6A is moved further north to be more or less opposite T5A
b) T6B and T6C satellites are merged into a single, long satellite and moved further east. That, in turn, reduces the length of the M25 tunnel, which now only goes under two E-W taxiways and R3, whereas previously it also went under two N-S taxiways as well
c) Two new parallel N-S taxiways to the west of T6A
d) Removal of the proposed A4 tunnel, the roundabout at Poyle and the link road to M25 J14
e) Appropriation of the area between R3 and the former A4, i.e. everything westward from the end of Blunts Avenue
f) A new road from the A3044 Holloway Lane/Harmondsworth Road junction, running along the northern edge of R3 to join the old A4 roughly halfway along the Colnbrook bypass.
Just checked out this thread from ongoing interest and was mildly amazed to see that regarding Heathrow R 3 'Tony (Blair) would be etc etc...
Incredible isnt it that our biggest port of entry and one of the truly global airports on the planet we have got through four Prime Ministers and its still no where even close to getting built
Incredible isnt it that our biggest port of entry and one of the truly global airports on the planet we have got through four Prime Ministers and its still no where even close to getting built
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They did !
Norwegian claimed they would base 50 787s there !
Norwegian claimed they would base 50 787s there !
50 787s is more than the combined total of the based BA,VS, TCX, TOM and DY long haul fleets today. That's like Harry Gooman's Air Europe expansion plans on speed, and just as likely. Norwegian long haul have yet to make a real profit, the whole business is smoke and mirrors.
Gatwick's arguement was predicated on being allowed to expand with Heathrow constrained, Heathrow believes they could expand even if LGW got another runway, mainly because they could still fill LHR at a premium.
BA don't want the competition that a third runway would bring anymore than they wanted VS to be allowed to move from LGW or AA/UA to buy slots from TW/PA.
Quite so. The fact that it appears to be the 82nd iteration of the Masterplan would suggest that it's probably not going to be the final one. 
I preferred the previously published version anyway, I was looking forward to seeing how the A4, in a tunnel under the airport, would get over/under the M25, also in a tunnel at that point.
Sadly, the A4 tunnel plan appears to have been superseded, so we'll never know ...
I preferred the previously published version anyway, I was looking forward to seeing how the A4, in a tunnel under the airport, would get over/under the M25, also in a tunnel at that point.
Sadly, the A4 tunnel plan appears to have been superseded, so we'll never know ...
Nice try tears but the real world isnt about £100 boiled eggs and ego and vanity if you like come into it.
London is a worl d city no one would argue with that . It does however have very poor infrastructure in most respects compared with its competing cities in Europe. Paris Frankfurt Amsterdam all of whom have vastly more runway capacity. Like it or not London does need to compete with those places and having an airport that goes into meltdown because of an hour of fog isnt acceptable to the ever traveling global business comunity.
Also our self harm Brexit vote means that at least in theory we need more runway capacity to allow more destinations to be served on Long haul . Long haul flying needs hub type operations because witha few exceptions a fair proportion of passengers are going to transit the primary destination-thats just the way airlines work. So to meet that demand you need to expand at LHR because Gatwick is and never will be a hub , it is however ideal for the Easy Jets of the world
So because of competition and changing trade patterns we do, in the normal sense of the word, need a third runway at LHR.
The ludicrous rip off price is something else but thats just the Uk where private contractors rob the government and public services and therefore us at every turn
London is a worl d city no one would argue with that . It does however have very poor infrastructure in most respects compared with its competing cities in Europe. Paris Frankfurt Amsterdam all of whom have vastly more runway capacity. Like it or not London does need to compete with those places and having an airport that goes into meltdown because of an hour of fog isnt acceptable to the ever traveling global business comunity.
Also our self harm Brexit vote means that at least in theory we need more runway capacity to allow more destinations to be served on Long haul . Long haul flying needs hub type operations because witha few exceptions a fair proportion of passengers are going to transit the primary destination-thats just the way airlines work. So to meet that demand you need to expand at LHR because Gatwick is and never will be a hub , it is however ideal for the Easy Jets of the world
So because of competition and changing trade patterns we do, in the normal sense of the word, need a third runway at LHR.
The ludicrous rip off price is something else but thats just the Uk where private contractors rob the government and public services and therefore us at every turn
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Excellent narrative of the vanity project. Do any of the pro R3 group, except those sponsored by Back Heathrow**, really understand the magnitude of the construction, road diversion x3, transport infrastructure for the benefit of UK business, and not HAL. All in the West of the airport, not in London.
The plans are changing all the time, and still not in a final form to be approved.
HAL is not a hub, ME3 flight overfly UK, ME3 flights pick up from all major cities in the UK, and US serve these cities as well.
One of the biggest growth industries, are cruises, and ME3 have offered these US owned companies, huge discounts to fly on these carriers, so they are not business pax.
I choose not to use ME3 flights.
** who is funding Back Heathrow?
Excellent narrative of the vanity project. Do any of the pro R3 group, except those sponsored by Back Heathrow**, really understand the magnitude of the construction, road diversion x3, transport infrastructure for the benefit of UK business, and not HAL. All in the West of the airport, not in London.
The plans are changing all the time, and still not in a final form to be approved.
HAL is not a hub, ME3 flight overfly UK, ME3 flights pick up from all major cities in the UK, and US serve these cities as well.
One of the biggest growth industries, are cruises, and ME3 have offered these US owned companies, huge discounts to fly on these carriers, so they are not business pax.
I choose not to use ME3 flights.
** who is funding Back Heathrow?
Also our self harm Brexit vote means that at least in theory we need more runway capacity to allow more destinations to be served on Long haul . Long haul flying needs hub type operations because witha few exceptions a fair proportion of passengers are going to transit the primary destination-thats just the way airlines work. So to meet that demand you need to expand at LHR because Gatwick is and never will be a hub , it is however ideal for the Easy Jets of the world
How much of the extra capacity will go on transporting our hard working businessmen to devdelop new markets and how much will go on transporting Londoners to the Costa and second homes? Nothing wrong with that, if they're prepared to pay for it just don't expect the rest of us to pay for it because its for the "national good"