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Utter tosh indeed !
Well you are entitled to your opinion as indeed am I. It just happens to me by view.
Maybe you live and breath aviation and Heathrow but for May this is one problem amongst many. Heathrow is 3rd divison compared to a colossal mountain of issues re Brexit.
There may be some huffing and puffing but economically the world will keep turning and as I said if she can get away with a YES when infact monetarily it's a NO i just happen to think she will.
The papers are interested because it's a story that has been there for years but once it's a yes it will simply rumble on as and when there is a hiccup.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
I cannot see it bringing the government down !
Well you are entitled to your opinion as indeed am I. It just happens to me by view.
Maybe you live and breath aviation and Heathrow but for May this is one problem amongst many. Heathrow is 3rd divison compared to a colossal mountain of issues re Brexit.
There may be some huffing and puffing but economically the world will keep turning and as I said if she can get away with a YES when infact monetarily it's a NO i just happen to think she will.
The papers are interested because it's a story that has been there for years but once it's a yes it will simply rumble on as and when there is a hiccup.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
I cannot see it bringing the government down !
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Just two interesting things in that article.
Possibility of a one week delay from this week to next.
Likelihood of three consultation exercises prior to the revised National Policy Statement --timetable awaited but my guess is that could be a year away.
Possibility of a one week delay from this week to next.
Likelihood of three consultation exercises prior to the revised National Policy Statement --timetable awaited but my guess is that could be a year away.
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Yes lots of chit chat that it may now be end of the month?
I hope we ate not being marched up the hill....... and then down again !
Hope May isn't getting windy .........
I hope we ate not being marched up the hill....... and then down again !
Hope May isn't getting windy .........
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60 NIMBY MPs does not a policy make.
With 600+ MPs the story is all about headlines and not about contributing to the debate.
Let's just get on with those 3 committees so we can get some decent debate and clear up any mistruths. Personally, I found the AC report very persuasive and thought it set out the case for expanding Heathrow.
With 600+ MPs the story is all about headlines and not about contributing to the debate.
Originally Posted by politicshome.com
The Sunday Telegraph reported today that up to 60 Tory MPs could defy the Government’s recommendation – if a third runway at the west London airport is approved.
But Kwasi Kwarteng, who criticised the “paralysis” shown by successive governments on new airport capacity, said the actual number of rebels was likely to be far lower.
“I think 60 is way off the mark. I think it’s way too many,” the PPS to the leader of the House of Lords told the BBC’s Sunday Politics show.
But Kwasi Kwarteng, who criticised the “paralysis” shown by successive governments on new airport capacity, said the actual number of rebels was likely to be far lower.
“I think 60 is way off the mark. I think it’s way too many,” the PPS to the leader of the House of Lords told the BBC’s Sunday Politics show.
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It's not at all bizarre for Labour MPs, or anyone else, to support RW3.
We need to remember that the people it negatively impacts are a relatively small number of people who live in West London, plus Schipol airport & etc. The people it benefits are pretty much the whole of the rest of the country and, in many respects, also the people who live in West London.
Having witnessed decades of economy harming paralysis one might be easily mislead into thinking that there was a deeper reason for it. There isn't. It's little more than Not Above My Back Yard-ism, with only a tiny touch of additional Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything-ism.
We need to remember that the people it negatively impacts are a relatively small number of people who live in West London, plus Schipol airport & etc. The people it benefits are pretty much the whole of the rest of the country and, in many respects, also the people who live in West London.
Having witnessed decades of economy harming paralysis one might be easily mislead into thinking that there was a deeper reason for it. There isn't. It's little more than Not Above My Back Yard-ism, with only a tiny touch of additional Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything-ism.
It's only a well-off vocal minority that oppose Heathrow expansion. The problem is that they are very vocal and very rich. The silent majority may well think differently.
It is also neccesary to be aware of the fact that the area under the flightpath has some of the highest house prices in the UK. This would not be the case if the area was blighted by the presence of Heathrow.
Why not? Birmingham Interchange will be around 50 minutes from Old Oak Common, a similar journey time from central London to Heathrow on the tube...
Forget about 50 minutes, the time taken faffing about between Birmingham Interchange and Elmdon (the HS2 station won't be on the airport) and the time faffing around accessing Old Oak will add considerable time to the journey, including copious amounts of walking with luggage involved at both interchanges. Also don't forget the likely fare supplements. Convenient it will not be.
All this, of course, assumes that HS2 is built, and that is by no means a given.
Sorry to sound negative, but this is the reality.
Not a problem, when the vote is due send Greening to Finland to learn how to run an effective comprehensive school system and/or to Germany to learn how to run an effective selective school system. Also Boris could be sent anywhere in the world at the same time.
As for Goldsmith, who cares? He can throw his tantrum and resign, the seat is not going to fall to the Libdems!
Fairdealfrank.
I think we also have to throw into the mix that its been reported frequently that the Govt may allow LHR and LGW to get new runways.However they will not be stumping up any cash.
LHR may be ok to raise their own Gatwick perhaps slightly harder.
However very likely the airports would then have to recoup their money by raising landing charges.
So not sure Ryan Air or Easy Jet would be that keen to have to pay higher landing fees and move from their cheaper current bases.
I think we also have to throw into the mix that its been reported frequently that the Govt may allow LHR and LGW to get new runways.However they will not be stumping up any cash.
LHR may be ok to raise their own Gatwick perhaps slightly harder.
However very likely the airports would then have to recoup their money by raising landing charges.
So not sure Ryan Air or Easy Jet would be that keen to have to pay higher landing fees and move from their cheaper current bases.
The papers are interested because it's a story that has been there for years but once it's a yes it will simply rumble on as and when there is a hiccup.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
Yes It will make the headlines on Tuesday but: it wither away again as it always does.
I cannot see it bringing the government down !
Investors beware, I will never let a third runway be built at Heathrow
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Three more committees? Oh good lord :-(
There is no amount of investigation or enquiry that can make go away the fact that an airport is a) necessary in the greater public interest but b) undesirable to surrounding residents.
Why as a country can we not get over it and get on with it?
No committee is ever going to be able to come up with a magical solution that everyone else missed for the last decades, whereby an invisible runway taking no land can accommodate silent aircraft bringing trade and investment without any passengers that require onward journeys.
There is no amount of investigation or enquiry that can make go away the fact that an airport is a) necessary in the greater public interest but b) undesirable to surrounding residents.
Why as a country can we not get over it and get on with it?
No committee is ever going to be able to come up with a magical solution that everyone else missed for the last decades, whereby an invisible runway taking no land can accommodate silent aircraft bringing trade and investment without any passengers that require onward journeys.
Heathrow decision to await Cabinet view
"Sources in Whitehall told the BBC that expansion at Heathrow is the clear front runner.
However, the prime minister has made it clear she wants to hear the wide-ranging opinions of colleagues.
The BBC has been told the Cabinet will discuss the issue tomorrow but no final decision is expected.
It will then be left to the Economic Affairs (Transport) sub-committee, chaired by Mrs May, to make the final choice on whether to back Heathrow or Gatwick.
One option being looked at is for that committee to meet next Tuesday, 25 October, with an announcement on the same day.
Government officials believe that a third runway at Heathrow or an expansion of the existing runways are now the leading options, although it has been made very clear to me that no final decision has been taken."
Heathrow decision to await Cabinet view - BBC News
However, the prime minister has made it clear she wants to hear the wide-ranging opinions of colleagues.
The BBC has been told the Cabinet will discuss the issue tomorrow but no final decision is expected.
It will then be left to the Economic Affairs (Transport) sub-committee, chaired by Mrs May, to make the final choice on whether to back Heathrow or Gatwick.
One option being looked at is for that committee to meet next Tuesday, 25 October, with an announcement on the same day.
Government officials believe that a third runway at Heathrow or an expansion of the existing runways are now the leading options, although it has been made very clear to me that no final decision has been taken."
Heathrow decision to await Cabinet view - BBC News
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Is this delay going to bounce the decision back to "another" dept ?
This is a worry the decision was nailed on for Tuesday 18th so what on earth has changed ?
Is TM recalculating;
Is the mega money not there ?
Are cabinet ministers threatening to walk ?
Has Willie Walsh put the boot in ?
Are there more backbenchers than 1st imagined prepared to kick up a fuss?
Absolutely no reason to delay this any further, so why the delay!
This is a worry the decision was nailed on for Tuesday 18th so what on earth has changed ?
Is TM recalculating;
Is the mega money not there ?
Are cabinet ministers threatening to walk ?
Has Willie Walsh put the boot in ?
Are there more backbenchers than 1st imagined prepared to kick up a fuss?
Absolutely no reason to delay this any further, so why the delay!
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So lets get this straight...
The decision was passed to a committee of supposed exerts to come up with a recommendation, which it duly did more than a year ago. And it wasn't as if the conclusion was marginal, it was fairly unequivocal. It came back to government and the go ahead was delayed while ministers and/or civil servants - none of whom are presumably as expert as the committee of experts - supposedly ensured the recommendation had covered all the bases and was legally robust. And now with that work also seemingly done, opinion is being canvassed from other members of the cabinet, most of whom are presumably less expert than either the committee of experts or the ministers and civil servants dedicated to transport. And based on what they think, a decision may be made.
Definitely Jim Hacker-esque... If cabinet or MP opinion could sway the decision, why bother with all the expert committee investigations and reporting in the first place? Probably because we are now going through a period of delay and procrastination over a decision that is logical but which no one wants to stick their neck out and actually take?
The decision was passed to a committee of supposed exerts to come up with a recommendation, which it duly did more than a year ago. And it wasn't as if the conclusion was marginal, it was fairly unequivocal. It came back to government and the go ahead was delayed while ministers and/or civil servants - none of whom are presumably as expert as the committee of experts - supposedly ensured the recommendation had covered all the bases and was legally robust. And now with that work also seemingly done, opinion is being canvassed from other members of the cabinet, most of whom are presumably less expert than either the committee of experts or the ministers and civil servants dedicated to transport. And based on what they think, a decision may be made.
Definitely Jim Hacker-esque... If cabinet or MP opinion could sway the decision, why bother with all the expert committee investigations and reporting in the first place? Probably because we are now going through a period of delay and procrastination over a decision that is logical but which no one wants to stick their neck out and actually take?
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https://www.businesstraveller.com/ai...chengdu-route/
Oh bloody hell...British Airways are pulling Chengdu.
Absolutely impeccable timing.
This was one of those "emerging markets routes" on which the basis of Heathrow connectivity re rw3 was being sold.
Is it possible that "Hacker" got wind of this and called an "overshoot" , because clearly this would be "meat and drink" for the Heathrow opposition had an announcement come tomorrow!
Its only 3 days since the Chinese bilateral was expanded !
Oh bloody hell...British Airways are pulling Chengdu.
Absolutely impeccable timing.
This was one of those "emerging markets routes" on which the basis of Heathrow connectivity re rw3 was being sold.
Is it possible that "Hacker" got wind of this and called an "overshoot" , because clearly this would be "meat and drink" for the Heathrow opposition had an announcement come tomorrow!
Its only 3 days since the Chinese bilateral was expanded !
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Re Heathrow. I am concerned over the proposal to throw billions at Heathrow.
It's a uncoordinated place now. The idea of another runway being the answer to this countries problems never fails to amaze me. The economic benefits are all aimed at the SE, not any other part of the UK. If Heathrow, and Gatwick, get the nod from Whitehall then let those two airports provide the financial backing to cover the infrastructure costs. Manchester is raising it's own finance to cover future developments.
It's a uncoordinated place now. The idea of another runway being the answer to this countries problems never fails to amaze me. The economic benefits are all aimed at the SE, not any other part of the UK. If Heathrow, and Gatwick, get the nod from Whitehall then let those two airports provide the financial backing to cover the infrastructure costs. Manchester is raising it's own finance to cover future developments.
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Those billions amount to a mere £18,000,000,000m, chicken feed in terms of London infastructure spend.
There will be a significant major trickle down to the regions on completion of rw3 hence the support.
There will be a significant major trickle down to the regions on completion of rw3 hence the support.
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Re Heathrow. I am concerned over the proposal to throw billions at Heathrow.
It's a uncoordinated place now.
It's a uncoordinated place now.
The economic benefits are all aimed at the SE, not any other part of the UK.
Manchester is raising it's own finance to cover future developments.
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Those billions amount to a mere £18,000,000,000m, chicken feed in terms of London infastructure spend.
Any reasons given why BA is pulling Chengdu? It didn't seem to be a 'major' city in China (though I know it probably has a huge population), so I wonder why it was chosen in the first place.
https://www.businesstraveller.com/ai...chengdu-route/
so I wonder why it was chosen in the first place.
Those billions amount to a mere £18,000,000,000m, chicken feed in terms of London infastructure spend.
significant major trickle down